Posted on 11/22/2008 5:19:40 PM PST by Chet 99
Scrappy, my brother's dog, is 8 lbs of evil. I swear it! I've often told him he should have named him Lucifer instead. My son is no little feller, has lived around pit bulls all of his life, and he is adamant that he will not go into their house unless "the beast" is confined.
This is also one little dog that despises children.
Alternative numbers, cites and links not available on request.
You can post your ‘data’ till the cows come home. I’ve worked for years with this breed and I can say with certainty that I know what I’m talking about.
“Among the deadliest and most vicious of all dog breeds with killer instincts, originally bred to fight and kill other dogs, Pit Bulls are now widely popular as companion dogs, especially in American cities. Their popularly is strange given their homicidal history and aggressive in-bred traits, but that is seemingly part of the appeal. With its powerful jaws, thick skull and muscular legs the American Pit Bull Terrier (and related breeds) makes short work of children and adults it attacks often maiming them for life. The very name “pit bull” is used in our language to signify a singularly tenacious state of being.”
“This breed is variously cited as being responsible for nearly a third of all fatal dog attacks in the United States, in part due to its tenacity in a fight. Pit bulls cause one-third of dog-bite related fatalities while only make up less than 2% of the dog population. Because of the deaths, maulings and serious injuries inflicted by Pit Bulls, many countries worldwide ban these dogs altogether or require licenses for ownership of them. In response to many high profile maulings and fatal attacks by Pit Bulls, many US cities and towns have specifically targeted the breed with legislation restricting ownership and increasing penalties on owners for attacks made by their Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls are often responsible for attacking and killing other dog breeds as well as cats and small pets. Police officers often need to shoot and kill this breed in order to subdue it after attacks on humans or other animals in US cities. In recent years several owners of these dogs in the United States have been criminally prosecuted in homicide cases. Sadly, many of the owners of these deadly dogs do not possess insurance and the maimed victims go uncompensated. Apologists for these vicious dogs abound online, but facts are facts.”
http://www.dog-bite-law-center.com/pgs/stats.html
“Apologists for these vicious dogs abound online, but facts are facts.”
Oh where to start with this...
And just WHO is presenting the ‘facts’? Certainly not credible, reputable, and expert dog persons. Now that’s a ‘fact’ for ya right there.
Cites, links and statistics not available on request.
Pit bulls at top of fatal attacks
20-year study finds kids under 14 suffer 42% of bite injuries — 3 of 4 involve family pet
Attacks by pit bulls accounted for about a third of the 238 fatal dog attacks in the United States during a 20-year study, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/23/MNGRODDH561.DTL
The Experts Have Been Excluded
... Or How the McGuinty Government has Used Smoke & Mirrors and a Whole Pack of Lies to Deceive the Ontario Public
Comments by Michael Bryant:
“You don’t ask an Attorney General to be the dog expert … The bottom line is it’s going to be up to the experts.”
“There was someone who is — I think everyone would agree — an expert in this: Cathie Cino, the director of Cat and Jack Canine Safety. She’s a dog trainer, author, and behaviour consultant with aggressive dogs. She talked about her experience with those dogs.”
The expert input on Bill 132:
“Bill 132 wilfully legislates profiling, prejudices and paranoia, which is what it will create.”
- Cathie Cino, expert cited by Bryant in legislature
* 81 of 103 presenters spoke against BSL
* 49 organizations representing dog experts spoke against the ban; 4 represented breeds named in the bill and two represented animal rights organizations.
* Not a single expert organization representing dogs approved of this approach.
* These experts included animal control from Mississauga and Sudbury.
* Victims of bites by other breeds spoke against breed specific legislation
The experts’ professional opinions:
* “Pit bulls” are not inherently or genetically different than other breeds.
* The top 4 biters by breed are German Shepherds, Rottweillers, Cocker Spaniels, and Golden Retrievers.
* Bites by “pit bull” type dogs account for less than 5% of all serious bites in Canada.
* It is a myth that “pit bull” type dogs are unique in how they attack. Other breeds also have a bite and hold pattern.
* There is no qualitative difference between a serious attack by a “pit bull” and one by another breed of a comparable size.
* A bite and hold attack is not qualitatively more severe than a series of slashing bites typical for a breed like the German Shepherd.
* Dogs in attacks are regularly misidentified as “pit bulls”. If “pit bull” attacks were qualitatively different then this confusion should not exist.
* Breed bans are unenforceable.
* Breed bans are extremely expensive.
* Breed bans unfairly punish responsible owners while irresponsible owners ignore the laws.
* 80% of bite victims are children who will be bitten in their home or at a neighbour’s by the family dog. Research shows that just 1 hour of dog safety training in grades 2 and 3 can reduce these attacks by 80%.
http://www.dogwatch.net/fight_ontario_ban/experts_excluded.html
The "McGuinty Government" must conspiratorial control of the CDC.
"Attacks by pit bulls accounted for about a third of the 238 fatal dog attacks in the United States during a 20-year study, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
I don’t care what you say. The beast in this subject is the two legged one at the end of the leash. These animals aren’t monsters. Man is the monster for his neglect and abuse of them.
And for the selective breeding for violent tendencies which has made these animal into what they are today - unacceptable threats to public safety in urban areas.
>> If what you call Pit Bulls are different from what we call Pit bulls then your agitating people here to exterminate them is misplaced and dangerous.
Is it that, though? Or more likely is it that owners of Staffordshire Terriers, Boston Terriers, American Bull Terriers and other similar Terriers persist on calling their dogs “Pit Bulls” when in fact they are nothing of the sort: they are proper breeds that have had undesirable traits bred out of them.<
Hi DieHard,
The problem in the US, at least, is breed-specific banning. Politicians who couldn’t tell a Boston Terrier from a Boxer pass laws banning many of the breeds you mention above as “pit bulls”, when, as you so correctly note, they are no such thing.
Dangerous dogs, of any body type, need to be gotten off the streets, and owners of said dogs need to be held legally responsible if their animal harms another human being, or for that matter, someone else’s pet dog or cat.
The breeder has made hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a million or more, breeding his dogs to fight. This particular little boy was supposed to be their new & fresh money maker. IOW, it was supposed to be 'in his blood'. He would not fight, nor show aggression at all. He fate was to be a bullet 'right between his eyes'.
I was called after the breeder was arrested for dogfighting. With two of my local ACOs, and a LEO, I walked onto the breeder's yard, where he had 22 juvenile and adult pitbulls chained to stakes, and we rescued all of them. Not one single dog showed aggression towards us humans. Not one. Not even the female who'd just whelped nine pups when I entered her kennel. I'd say those are pretty good statistics right there. All were starving for human affection.
One by one we removed these dogs working until about 1:00 in the AM transporting them to the local kennel. Now, we did have to use caution not to have the dogs around each other, but that was it as far as any danger was concerned. The puppies were spayed and neutered and adopted quickly. Eighteen of these juvenile and adult dogs were treated for any injuries, spayed, neutered, and adopted, one being mine, and four are still being fostered. I have little hopes of them finding forever homes due to their ages.
Just who IS the culprit? You cannot say the dogs are the culprit. These dogs do not willfully kill and maim humans. Human neglect and abuse is the primary factor behind ALL attacks. Every. Single. One. Most bred to fight other dogs will never attack a human being. Animal aggression and people aggression are two entirely different traits. Some of the people friendliest pitbulls I've ever seen have come from dog fighting environments, and some have had such horrible abuses perpetrated upon them that it makes you question humanity, yet they shower you with affection and relish the touch of a kind hand. Does every rescue have a fairy tale ending? Not at all. Are all pitbulls stable? Certainly not. But all GSDs, Labs, GT's, Dalmations, etc. are not either, and they're NOT bred for fighting other animals. Instability occurs in all breeds of dogs.
Regardless of what you, or anyone else says, this is a magnificent breed of dog with wonderful characteristics & temperament, and given the proper training, attention and affection, they can be the best companions you'll ever have.
Gidday mate, you write:
> The problem in the US, at least, is breed-specific banning. Politicians who couldn’t tell a Boston Terrier from a Boxer pass laws banning many of the breeds you mention above as “pit bulls”, when, as you so correctly note, they are no such thing.
Here in NZ we have four specific breeds that are banned: Japanese Toso, Perro de Presa Canario, Dogo Argentino, and something called the American Pit Bull Terrier. These specific breeds are Contraband and cannot be imported.
The first three I am very sure of: I have seen them and I can identify them at sight.
The fourth one I am less sure of, because the animal that I know of as being the American Pit Bull Terrier, and the animals that get called Pit Bulls, are two very different animals.
The first is a specific and defined breed, the second is a mungrel mutt bred for violence. It is the latter that needs to be destroyed and not the former. And it is the latter that tend to be kept and bred by gangs and criminals.
> Dangerous dogs, of any body type, need to be gotten off the streets, and owners of said dogs need to be held legally responsible if their animal harms another human being, or for that matter, someone else’s pet dog or cat.
I would be happy to see the concept of “Vicarious Liability” apply to dog owners: they are criminally and civilly responsible for any and all damage done by their dog(s) as if they had done that damage themselves.
Dog bites man? That’s assault and battery.
Dog tries to bite man? That’s assault.
Dog tears man’s balls off? That’s assault causing grievous bodily harm.
Dog kills man? That’s manslaughter.
Dog is ordered to kill man? That’s murder.
Dog is trained to kill man, and kills man? That’s first-degree murder...
...and so it goes:
Dog craps on lawn? That’s littering and discharge of a noxious substance.
Dog barks excessively? That’s disturbing the peace.
Dog kills cat? That’s criminal property damage.
Dog kills cat slowly? That’s Animal cruelty.
Dog fights other dog? That’s affray and disorderly conduct.
Well then, in the future, instead of incorrectly refering to 'pit bulls', perhaps you could correctly identify the animals you want to ban as 'any random dog that happens to make Diehard soil his undergarments by looking scary'.
Thanks. :-)
> Well then, in the future, instead of incorrectly refering to ‘pit bulls’ (snip)
I am correctly referring to “Pit Bulls” as ill-bred dangerous mungrel mutts of random parentage engineered to be antisocial and to fight and kill.
And, strangely enough, they fight to the death in “Dog Pits” — hence the name “Pit Bull”. People bet on them: the “winner” goes to the vet, and the “loser” gets buried.
Of a necessity they conform to a general configuration: they are muscular with a wide neck and they have a crushing bite, their ears are either short or cropped and they sit low to the ground — but they are not a proper breed.
Does *that* describe your dog? No?? Then perhaps instead you should stop calling your pup something that it is not, before it gets banned.
Your description does not at all describe a true American Pit Bull Terrier. Not at all.
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