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10 Cars That [really,really] Damaged GM's Reputation (With Video)
Popular Mechanics ^ | November 25, 2008 | John Pearley Huffman

Posted on 11/26/2008 7:02:07 AM PST by yankeedame

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To: Lx
"Oh!...Schnap!"

Ha! I love those ads. I have them all. Peter Stormare is so awesome.
"Vee Dub Engineering in da house, ya."

221 posted on 11/27/2008 6:08:04 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: Lx
But actually...it looked a bit like this...only in brown metallic.


222 posted on 11/27/2008 6:09:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: yankeedame

Mr. Vidbizz drives a Caddy, loves it. He loves a wide ride! The only other cars he’s owned were Towncars (3 of them).


223 posted on 11/27/2008 6:14:27 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: yankeedame

bump for future read


224 posted on 11/27/2008 6:14:42 AM PST by VOA
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To: Travis T. OJustice
so that was YOU i used to blow by in my parents station wagon

Yep. It looked real good sittin' still.
Which I did a lot of in it due to gas prices and the fact it had a very nice CB radio system that I installed in it. Used to do a lot of what were called "coffee breaks" back in the day. Sittin', drinkin', talking on the CB.

225 posted on 11/27/2008 6:23:16 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: LongTimeMILurker
Your comment is a non-sequitur.

Why should any of us spend money to reward indolence and incompetence?

226 posted on 11/27/2008 7:14:36 AM PST by starlifter
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To: Aquinasfan
My dad had a diesel Chevette. Really. The thing shook like hell, but got 45 mpg combined.

My brother had one too.

227 posted on 11/27/2008 7:56:28 AM PST by painter
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To: starlifter

Why would you want to spend much more, by several factors of ten, money rewarding the “Indolence and Incompetence” of Wall Street and the Banks? They could have put up much more resistance to federal demands and defended their positions and prevented a lot of this. Banks and Wall Street do not produce a tangible product, the auto industries do. The economies that have been doing well continue to have value added manufacturing.


228 posted on 11/27/2008 8:17:21 AM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: dragnet2
I have owned both...and make no mistake, I liked my Ford F-150.

But I found that the resale value was significantly higher of the GM (Chevy in my case), the Chevy took the rigors of the work I applied to it better (meaning things didn't not loosen up and rattle as quickly or as much), and particularly in my case, that the back seat in the crew cab was a lot more comfortable, and that the Z71 off-road package was a much better fit for my off road needs than the FX4 package on the Ford.

Having said that, the F-150 is a very good ride and a good value for its price, and the exterior style I tend to think looks a little better asthetically than the Chevy.

229 posted on 11/27/2008 8:30:15 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Having said that, the F-150 is a very good ride and a good value for its price, and the exterior style I tend to think looks a little better asthetically than the Chevy.

Completely agree.

230 posted on 11/27/2008 8:35:05 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: DemonDeac

I nrented a Pontiac G-6 a few months ago when I was in California. I was pleasantly surprised, but quickly remembered that it took them forty years to put out a reasonably sized car that handles well and can actually move onto an interstate easily. They are too stupid to be saved, IMO.


231 posted on 11/27/2008 8:36:53 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: LongTimeMILurker
Where the heck did that come from? I thought we were talking about Detroit automakers. You took an infinite leap in logic to Wall Street.

You shoot down your (weakly) implied argument when you mentioned “value-added” manufacturing. The American car industry is doing just fine, thank you. The segment of it generally focused on Detroit is doing exceptionally poorly, in large measure because of indolence and incompetence. Manufacturers also look for greatest return on their capital investment - otherwise they would be charities. So they manufacture the product wherever they maximize that return. If the you can make something for $3 or make the same thing for $1, both substantially the same and selling for the same price, what would be your choice?

I assume you have a TV, a computer, and various other gadgets and tools. Look at their country of origin. I assume you where clothes. Look at their country of origin. I assume you have one or more motor vehicles. Consider where they are assembled, but also where the constituent bits and pieces came from.

Taking up your comment on “tangible products”, any history of commerce, you may want to check out Braudel’s series, demonstrate conclusively that the development of money and banking were necessary for the development manufacturing and the distribution of the product output. Without money and banking we would still be land-locked peasants.

232 posted on 11/27/2008 9:18:59 AM PST by starlifter
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To: Freeper

“REMIUM PRICE??????

The Corvette is the finest American made WORLD CLASS CAR available at ANY PRICE - - - - but NOT AT A PREMIUM PRICE.”

It is a great car and at a good price for what it is but the problem is it is in a very tiny segment. The two seat high performance market is not a big market. Where Chevy needs the world-beaters is in mainstream passenger car segments. I don’t even think you can argue that the Corvette gives much luster to the rest of the brands vehicles. Perhaps some people get more excited about a Mercedes C class because of the reputation of the S class but a Corvette does not make people more excited about an Aveo.


233 posted on 11/27/2008 6:24:04 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Spktyr

“No longer true. The Nissan Skyline/GT-R is cheaper than an Z06 Vette, and it’s faster anywhere any time.”

Track tests sure have shown that GTR to be a monster.


234 posted on 11/27/2008 6:25:14 PM PST by DemonDeac
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Sabotaged it how?


235 posted on 11/28/2008 5:45:23 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Spktyr

Three Subaru’s.....

One Hundai....

One Nissan.....

Two Datsun’s....

One Audi.....

All sent to the junk yard with less than 100K miles....(One had 101K.)

Sorry, but my experiences over a lifetime are a bit different.


236 posted on 11/28/2008 9:06:07 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

Sounds like the last time you tried a foreign marque was about 10-20 years ago.

I and my family’s experiences are greatly different. And, from the look of most of these threads, most everyone else’s experience parallels mine, not yours.

I don’t think I’ve had an Asian car that *didn’t* make 200-250K. And my aged Toyota truck that I had a decade ago made it 400K before someone happened to it. :P


237 posted on 11/28/2008 12:01:54 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
The last one was the Hundai. It was a 94. It slung a cylinder through the block in 2003. It had 89K on it and was my wife's car for local drives. I never saw it again after I picked my wife up. I gave it away to the same junk dude who has picked up most of the others.(he likes my business but has been missing me since I quit buying the stuff. I have two chevys and a Yukon. I love the Yukon as it sits low with full running boards and heated leather. It rides like a caddy and get's good mileage for a 99. (19mpg)

The chevys are fairly new and the wife and kid drive them. Neither have cost me anything more then a light bulb or two. The Yukon needed a fuel pump and a water pump at 100K.....and a change of plugs. I plan to drive it til my wheels come off.

The last subaru was a hoot! The A/C unit exploded and blew the hood clear off it while I was doing 70mph. Needless to say that I never bought another. It was similar to the Outback. The Toyota PU rolled on a low speed corner, the rest have stories but those were the best ones.

Oh....I have a old chevy truck that I don't drive much as it has no AC. It is a 1967. It has some bondo but it is still original. No telling how many miles....

Yep.....I do see things a bit different from my perch.

238 posted on 11/28/2008 9:22:07 PM PST by Cold Heat
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