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Centurion Ammo 12 ga buck and ball(vanity)

Posted on 11/26/2008 9:20:32 AM PST by Charlespg


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; guns; righttobeararms; shotguns
I am thinking of buying 50 rds of centurion 12 ga buck and ball to but aside

have any freepers used this stuff ?

I am not familiar with the company

1 posted on 11/26/2008 9:20:33 AM PST by Charlespg
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To: Charlespg

Never heard of it but Ill check it out.

2 posted on 11/26/2008 9:23:12 AM PST by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: Charlespg
Save your money.

Buy standard 00 or 000 buckshot and Federal Copper Solids.

The 'Dragon Breath' 12 gauge rounds are a heck of a lot of fun, however.


3 posted on 11/26/2008 9:25:31 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Charlespg

Never heard of it. Is there some advertised advantage this ammo has over others?

I am not big into shotguns so I buy ammo at Walmart. They carry stuff from the big manufacturers and the price is sometimes significantly lower than local gun shops. Walmart tends to lack a wide shot selection though so I guess that a real shotgun enthusiast might go where he/she can find everything from #8 target loads up to slugs.

4 posted on 11/26/2008 9:26:17 AM PST by scory
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To: Charlespg
Found this answer on the net and I agree except I prefer O Buck. Plus regular buck shot is a good bit cheaper at Wally World.

if the penetration of the ball is needed (due to distance or what have you), then the #1 buck won't penetrate enough and is useless;

if the #1 buck is adequate (as it would be at most in-house ranges), then the heavy ball is slug-like overkill, and it would make more sense to have additional #1 buckshot in its place (which create multiple wound channels and thus a higher chance of hitting a vital spot)

Seems like a solution in search of a problem to me.

5 posted on 11/26/2008 9:26:18 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Charlespg

I use 00 buck over 0 buckshot because 00 lays in the shell in a triangle with three shot in each level of shot. I have had a perfect circle of the shot on target. Round ball and slugs are not popular here but I have loaded them also. Nine or twelve 00 buck has more velocity than the 15 buckshot but the 15 has more energy close but kicks a lot.

6 posted on 11/26/2008 9:47:49 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Charlespg

Never heard any reason to go with any specialized version of 00 buck.

7 posted on 11/26/2008 10:07:41 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Charlespg

Nothing wrong with the Ball & Buck... For the same money though you could buy a 250 round case of 00 Royal...

I just bought a case...

9 posted on 11/26/2008 10:46:37 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & Moderator)
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To: ctdonath2
I found this reason on the internet last week. Federal "Flight-Control"

07 Sept 07

Federal Flight-Control Shotshells:

At a LEO Program this week in OH, one of my students, Training Officer for a large agency, brought a copy of his department's short-barreled Mossberg 590 shotgun. He came with two brands of 00 buckshot ammunition. His agency does not issue slugs nor any other size of buckshot.

Current department-issue is WW "reduced-recoil" buckshot, and he had a supply of that. However, he is considering switching over to Federal " Flight-Control," also in 00 buckshot, so he had some of that also.

The Federal rounds are full-power (not "reduced-recoil), and the recoil difference is noticeable when one shoots one, then the other.

However, what jumped out at all of us was the difference in patterning! Shooting at ten meters, WW rounds consistently produced twelve-inch, uniform-density patterns out of the short-barreled shotgun. Out of the same shotgun, Federal rounds produced dense, eight-inch patterns. A two-thirds reduction! From an eighteen-inch-barreled shotgun, the same Federal round produced four-inch patterns, an eighty-percent reduction, all uniformly dense, and with no flyers.

Wad technology employed by Federal is clever. The one-piece, plastic wad has fins that deploy after exit from the muzzle. When deployed, the fins resemble those on a high-drag bomb. They are designed to immediately slowthe wad and prevent it from overtaking and passing through the pellet mass. It works in spades!

A similar effect can be attained with conventional buckshot rounds on shotguns equipped with the wad-retarding Wad-Wizard device or that have been modified with a Vang-Comp. Now, Federal has incorporated the technology into the shotshells itself.

When using this ammunition, even in a short-barreled shotgun, one is essentially shooting a "bullet" between the muzzle and seven meters. Maximum useable range has been effectively extended from twenty meters to twenty-five meters; thirty meters with an eighteen-inch barreled shotgun!

For those using shotguns for serious purposes, Federal Flight-Control is a good way to go!

Field-use of Federal Flight-Control 00 Buckshot:

09 Sept 07

Field use of Federal 12ga Flight-Control Buckshot, from a range officer with a large Midwestern PD:

"Last week, one of our patrol officers confronted a single, armed, robbery suspect at a range of ten meters. When the suspect made threatening verbalizations and gestures, the officer fired a single shot from his department-issued Remington 870. The round was Federal Flight-Control 00 Buckshot.

The tight cluster of 00 pellets struck the suspect in the right side of his hip. He went right down, offering no further resistance. At the hospital, attending sturgeons asked if the suspect had been hit with a slug. We assured them that it was a single, buckshot round.

X-rays revealed that several pellets were still in the suspects's body, but that most had transverse-penetrated and subsequently exited. Tissue destruction was copious, so much so that the suspect's right leg had to be amputated at the hip. He is expected to survive, but has obviously sustained permanent, disabling/disfiguring injury.

We are most please with this round's fight-stopping ability. This suspect went from dangerous/threatening to meek/crippled, all in less than a second!"

Comment: It is difficult to imagine a better fight-stopping effect than described in the foregoing. Federal's new wad technology represents a pivotal improvement in shotshell performance, breathing new life into the "old-standby" police shotgun. Something we all need to look at seriously!

10 posted on 11/26/2008 10:59:44 AM PST by An Old Man (Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way)
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To: An Old Man
And here the stuff is: Federal Premium Precision Buckshot

Apparently has the external ballistics of a slug and the terminal ballistics of contact-range buckshot. Interesting...

11 posted on 11/26/2008 11:36:47 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Charlespg
Personally I think you have to think of what you are defending. In a house I would load up #4s first. They don't kill your neighbors. They will be thankful for that. And the perp is still dead. 00 is good for longer ranges. And a solid ounce of lead is going to stop just anything. I have killed many deer with that slug.
12 posted on 11/26/2008 11:49:28 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: ctdonath2

Sure is! I'm going to have to look int the application of that. Perhaps shooting the culprit through the wall?

The stuff I was referring to is sold as Load Number LE127 which has a slightly higher velocity than what you pointed to. (1325 vs 1050) Point your browser up one classification on the link you provided to "Tactical Buckshot"l for the velocity specifications.

Either way, the target is going to have a hard time running away.

Ammunition to Go has a price of $16.95 for 25drs of this stuff.

13 posted on 11/26/2008 12:13:15 PM PST by An Old Man (Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way)
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To: Charlespg

Can’t buy it in California — that should tell you something.

14 posted on 11/26/2008 1:21:38 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: An Old Man

thanks thats a lot cheaper then the buck and ball

15 posted on 11/26/2008 2:15:18 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: An Old Man
Very clever homepage.

I like it.

A lot.

Another interesting shell to look at, but not cheap.

16 posted on 01/22/2011 1:03:39 PM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: Lurker
The 'Dragon Breath' 12 gauge rounds are a heck of a lot of fun, however.


Giant Wildfire Started During Bachelor Party (caused huge forest blaze with shotgun blast)

..... If used with caution.

17 posted on 07/02/2012 2:28:40 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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