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To: Rightly Biased

He wrote this to me yesterday :

” I don’t know what to say....i think you are way out in never-never land. there is no Communist threat...there’s an American threat of their own making.

Immigration...we stole Texas, Arizona, NMex and Calif from Mexico....and we killed Native Americans...and sold slaves from Africa as big business and Christian law. Since the Calvinists thought blacks weren’t human so therefore they had no spirits. “


36 posted on 11/26/2008 2:49:09 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

Tell him since we are such terribull pipples who done terribull thingys, who obviously don’t deserve to breathe free air anymore, that he should set the example and fall on his sword (or kitchen knifey, in the absence of a proper sword).


50 posted on 11/26/2008 2:57:49 PM PST by webschooner
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To: sushiman

Your friend said — “Immigration...we stole Texas, Arizona, NMex and Calif from Mexico....and we killed Native Americans...and sold slaves from Africa as big business and Christian law. Since the Calvinists thought blacks weren’t human so therefore they had no spirits.”

Well, it was a *war* with Mexico that Mexico declared. Now, sure they were sore about the fact that Texas won its independence (in battle) from Mexico and became a country in its own right. So, they refused (later) to recognize what Texas had accomplished (many examples of that still going on in the world, today...). I venture that if Mexico had not declared war, they would not have lost the rest of that land that they did. When they did declare war (upon the annexation of the Republic of Texas, into the United States as another state in the Union) — the put these things into motion. Texas had *already* won its independence from Mexico years prior to that time.

And far from simply “stealing” that land, it *definitely* was the “spoils of war”. But, the U.S. also compensated Mexico for it, in spite of winning it in war time.

Now, in regards to this “we killed Native Americans”... well, Native Americans killed Native Americans with great regularity. Native Americans killed U.S. citizens with great regularity, too. And the U.S. had its small share of killing Native Americans in various fights and battles and skirmishes (and some slaughters, too, unfortunately).

But, more Native Americans were killed by their own people (wars with each other) and from disease in their population — than were ever killed by the U.S. in battle and wars and skirmishes. There were not *nearly* as many killed by the U.S. — as were killed among themselves and by disease.

And in regards to “slaves from Africa” — one has to be reminded that *first* — the slaves in Africa were the slaves of *other Africans (i.e., “blacks”). They were first, the black slaves to other blacks in Africa — and their own people sold them to slave traders who then sold them in other parts of the world. The problem started in Africa — where *they themselves* took slaves of one another and sold them to white people (to get rid of them and to make money).

Secondly, there were many in the formation of our country (i.e., the founding fathers) who were against slavery and fought to end it, at the beginning. But since there were mixed interests in that day and the slavery issue was so divisive that it would have split the Constitutional Convention and would have never allowed it to happen — they ignored that as an issue, in the beginning — to take it up later. But, in the beginning, several founding fathers were “abolitionists” and worked toward ending slavery.

As far as it being “Christian law” — the abolitionists took it from “Scripture” that slavery should be ended. So, you had both sides “claiming” Scriptures on their side. It was *not* monolithic in being ascribed to “law” in the Bible, not at all.

And finally, talking about “Calvinists” (don’t know how he got mixed up in the whole thing... LOL...) — it has turned out, throughout all of history that great people who have done great things have also had things that they were wrong about.

Martin Luther, who is revered for the Protestant revolution and had some good things to say and do at the time. However, he was wrong on several other theological issues and also — it turns out he was rabidly *anti-Jewish* — so seriously so, it would make you blush today... LOL..

So, even the greatest of them, secular or religious or political or generals or kings or whomever — they all had their areas where they were totally wrong... And so, thinking that blacks weren’t human and had no souls was definitely wrong. It, however, doesn’t take away from those people — for what they were *known* for in the first place...


59 posted on 11/26/2008 3:12:26 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: sushiman

the arabs, africans, d and other countries ran the slave trade in africa


73 posted on 11/26/2008 4:12:50 PM PST by machogirl (when the call comes at 3:00 am, Bill Ayers answers the phone)
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