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Turn off an idle computer, or leave it running?
PhysOrg ^ | November 26, 2008 | Steve Alexander

Posted on 11/28/2008 2:22:46 AM PST by CE2949BB

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1 posted on 11/28/2008 2:22:46 AM PST by CE2949BB
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2 posted on 11/28/2008 3:09:51 AM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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To: CE2949BB
Turning a computer on and off creates tiny power surges which eventually can damage electronic components.

Not terribly true any more. In fact, you're probably more susceptible to power surges if you leave it on, especially if you don't have decent power surge protection.

Really, whatever you want to do is fine.

3 posted on 11/28/2008 3:10:03 AM PST by john in springfield
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To: CE2949BB

If it works,,,,,don’t fix it.


4 posted on 11/28/2008 3:18:31 AM PST by Waco (understand the meaning of illegal???)
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To: CE2949BB

Turning a computer off allows the board to cool. Turning it on heats it up. The shrinking and growth causes the connections to loosen and crack.

Plus, it angers Binatonka, the Aztec God of Digital Equipment.


5 posted on 11/28/2008 3:21:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: Lazamataz

I thought that God’s name is Vista!


6 posted on 11/28/2008 3:29:24 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: Lazamataz

Exactly.

Some of the stereophiles I knew on the 70’s and early 80’s said NEVER TURN OFF a high output solid state amp. (tubes are different).

On and off, heating and cooling, destroys semiconductors.


7 posted on 11/28/2008 3:31:16 AM PST by djf (The harsh reality of life is that reality is harsh.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Nossir. Vista is the Hindu God of Overcomplicated, Malfunctioning Bloatware.


8 posted on 11/28/2008 3:37:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: CE2949BB

I have been turning my computer off for years and have never had a problem with it. In fact turning the PC off will reset some problems you might have.


9 posted on 11/28/2008 3:55:26 AM PST by ArkansasBushfan
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To: CE2949BB

leave it running... The RNC has a computer project in which they are polling residents (larger group than citizens) looking for the LAST CONSERVATIVE.


10 posted on 11/28/2008 3:57:31 AM PST by ptsal
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To: ArkansasBushfan
My first computer, at work, was an Apple II. I turned it off every night when I went home. The first casualty to this on-off regimen was the on-off switch. there was no Geek squad so we did our own geeky stuff.

At the time I was able to find parts at an electronic store, (first in Dallas), an installed switches as required, memory upgrades and gulp a floppy drive!

My computer is on all the time and whenever an update arrives it will restart. Make sure your PC has a condom, (Norton) and surge protector. They do work despite what OBummer says!

11 posted on 11/28/2008 4:11:15 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: john in springfield
In fact, you're probably more susceptible to power surges if you leave it on, especially if you don't have decent power surge protection.

This is a valid point- although "surge protection" is not an adequate phrase. Brown conditions can do as much damage as surges. One must have an Uninterruptable Power Source (UPS)- a battery which acts as a power dampener of sorts, and supplies clean power to the machine all the time. Especially for always-on machines, surge protectors are not enough.

12 posted on 11/28/2008 4:11:19 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: CE2949BB
Absolutely no news value to this, so I'm putting it in General/Chat.

Oh I wouldn't say that, I think there is great value to this article, because it reminds people of another way to say "UP YOURS!" to the environmental wackos who would prefer us to use an energy-saving abacus instead of computers, so I'll remember to leave my systems on 24/7.

Have a great weekend! :)
13 posted on 11/28/2008 4:14:25 AM PST by mkjessup (Senator Joe McCarthy was RIGHT - see my FR home page for a tribute to a REAL Patriot.)
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To: CE2949BB
I'm using a computer that hasn't been turned off in four years (from the day I took it home). It reboots from time to time when I add new software or patches but it has always been on and I have had zero issues with it.

On an unrelated matter, there is a person out in California who has had Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" playing on a CD player constantly since 1985. He simply has the CD player in repeat mode and it has been spinning Pink Floyd ever since. I assume that he puts it on mute from time to time to keep his sanity.

14 posted on 11/28/2008 4:26:09 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 93 days away from outliving John F. Kennedy)
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To: Waco
If it works,,,,,don’t fix it.

A few years ago, I decided to clean the inside of my keyboard.

It took a while, but I finally got used to the new keyboard I had to buy.

A few months later, I decided to take the mouse apart and clean the innards.

It took a while, but I finally got used to the new mouse I had to buy.

If it works,,,,,don’t fix it. Resistance is futile!
15 posted on 11/28/2008 4:28:40 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Lazamataz

Hey, start your own theology thread.


16 posted on 11/28/2008 4:29:38 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: CE2949BB

Mine goes all day. Many of the newer items automatically go in to ‘sleep’ mode for inaction.

If I am going out for a while, I do turn off the monitor.

At night, occasionally, I will do a full shutdown (WinXP). Most nights, I just do a standby/hibernate, as it turns off the ‘mechanical’ parts.


17 posted on 11/28/2008 4:32:24 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Young Werther

I have had three PC’s and turned them all off at night. I have never had a problem with any of the three, They have all been Dell’s. I don’t want any updates running on my machine unless I know what it is. I spent 30 years in DP and that is a little habit I picked up from that time. If an update is going to cause problems I want to know about the update. I keep my PC’s 3-4 years before getting new ones.


18 posted on 11/28/2008 4:37:06 AM PST by ArkansasBushfan
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To: CE2949BB

It doesn’t really matter anymore. Computers last approx 4 years at the most. Keep it on 24/7 is no big deal.


19 posted on 11/28/2008 4:37:22 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: ptsal

This would beg the question of why check the general populace?

Answer: After polling the RNC ranks they couldn’t find anyone who was conservative.....

LOL....


20 posted on 11/28/2008 4:38:47 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: CE2949BB

4 computers here that see use daily, one is a linux box. None of them get turned off because they are always in use (We run a business from home)

Other than upgrades or vacations (when we will be away for more than a few hours.. they never get turned off. Been working like this for years and never had a problem.

I found I had MORE problems with components breaking when I turned them on and off all the time.. but that might be just me.


21 posted on 11/28/2008 4:41:32 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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Turn off an idle computer, or leave it running?
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Thanks, I needed that!!! I had just been wondering!


22 posted on 11/28/2008 4:44:12 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Lazamataz

So, we should leave an idol computer on?


23 posted on 11/28/2008 4:50:11 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: mkjessup
Have a great weekend! :)

If you chooses to leave a PC running, then I suggest keeping the CPU working.

Visit the Folding@Home Project and download one of the applications.

Folding@home

Visit The download Page

The application will work at the lowest priority. This means should any other application need CPU resources, the folding process will yield to what you are doing. The default is 100%, meaning when other activities don't have demands on the CPU, Folding will do its thing at the rate you decide.

Hold down Cont-ALT-Delete and bring up the TaskManager, Click on the Performance Tab and observe if your computer is really working. Go back to the processes tab, look for the CPU column and see what is working now. My experience is allowing Folding@home to work at 100% keeps the PC working to capacity. Another question is whether you want Folding@Home to work as a service. Electing this will automatically, load and run the app each time your PC comes on. You also want to join a team, so enter 36120

Turning up the speed - and join the team -

The following is a portion of a post from Texas Booster

"Folding@Home FAQ for new users: "What is Folding@Home? A Stanford University project to find out how proteins fold. "Why it's important: Proteins folding wrong causes all kinds of diseases, like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and forms of cancer. Folding@Home uses novel computational methods and large scale distributed computing, to simulate timescales thousands to millions of times longer than previously achieved.

Through Folding@home, scientists now have the horsepower to study the mechanics of protein folding. With its ability to share the workload among hundred of thousands of computers economically, Folding@home can help scientists understand how proteins snap, or don't, into their predestined shapes - and may help to explain the origins of diseases such as Alzheimer's and apparently unrelated diseases. We're fueling research that could end all that. "How does it work?: You download a safe, tested program (see link below) that is certified by Stanford University. It gets work from Stanford, runs calculations using your spare computer power, and sends the results back to the University. "Is it safe? Yes! Folding@Home rarely effects computer performance in any way and won't compromise your privacy in any way. It only uses the computing power you aren't using so it doesn't slow down other programs. "How do I get started folding for Team FreeRepublic?:

1.) Download the folding program from Stanford University's folding download page (Folding@home Client Download). Type in your desired user-name.

2.) Type in 36120 for the team number. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT - if you get the number wrong, you won't be folding for team FreeRepublic!

3.) The third question asks, "Launch automatically at machine startup, installing this as a service?" - We recommend you answer YES. Otherwise you will have to manually start the program after every reboot. "How can my computer help? Even if they were given exclusive access to all of the world's supercomputers, Stanford still wouldn't have as much processing power as they get from the supercluster of people's desktop systems Folding@home relies on. Modern supercomputers are essentially a cluster of hundreds of processors linked by fast networking. But Stanford needed the power of hundreds of thousands of processors, not just hundreds. "There's no reason to not get involved! It's free, easy, and you can know you're helping every minute without lifting a finger."

So if you decide to leave your computer on, now you have extra justification for your choice.

24 posted on 11/28/2008 4:51:11 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A non posting Freeper produces far fewer spelling errors)
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To: SamAdams76
"I assume that he puts it on mute from time to time to keep his sanity"

That's assuming that someone who plays a CD continually for 23+ years has any sanity to keep..... :^)

25 posted on 11/28/2008 5:09:10 AM PST by Enchante (Countless Innocents in Mumbai, India Now Face the "Religion of Peace" in Action)
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To: SamAdams76
On an unrelated matter, there is a person out in California who has had Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" playing on a CD player constantly since 1985.

Must be the same guy that figured out that you could sync "Dark Side" with "The Wizard of Oz"... maybe he has that on an endless loop, too?

26 posted on 11/28/2008 5:17:42 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: napscoordinator

Computers last approx 4 years at the most.????
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This one was built in 1997, still going strong. I turn it off anytime I am not using it. And, I use it several times a day every day of the year.

If your computers are only lasting 4 years, you need to quit buying junk.


27 posted on 11/28/2008 5:40:11 AM PST by wrench
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To: wrench

If your computers are only lasting 4 years, you need to quit buying junk.

Or at least treating it better. lol. I am on the computer all the time especially Free Republic.


28 posted on 11/28/2008 5:42:54 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: ArkansasBushfan
I have had three PC’s and turned them all off at night. I have never had a problem with any of the three

Same here. In fact, they are all in running order to this day. The only reason I replaced them was because of changing technology. Why run a Pentium III when a Core-Duo is sooo much faster?

From my standpoint, turning off the PC at night does it no harm. Besides, I'm a cheap bastid. I don't want to pay for the electricity.

29 posted on 11/28/2008 5:49:57 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Hey, start your own theology thread.The Church of Lazamatology will have many followers.

Here are a few of my Disciples in the usual church garb:


30 posted on 11/28/2008 6:02:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: Lazamataz
Here are a few of my Disciples in the usual church garb:

They're called vestments, Brother Laz. Laz knows his own and they know him, in the biblical sense, one hopes.

31 posted on 11/28/2008 6:07:51 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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Yeah pretty normal and sound tech advice.

Powering it on and off a lot is pointless, it can wear a pc out the way a car would be with its starter.

I have my monitor turn off automatically after 5mins of inactivity and am all set..It’s actually hard to sleep if i can’t hear the pc fan on but thats a nerd thing i guess.
:)


32 posted on 11/28/2008 6:09:37 AM PST by freerites
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To: CE2949BB

OK technogeeks, what is the probability (possibility) of a machine left on 24/7 being compromised by a hacker for spam, spyware, viruses, etc.?


33 posted on 11/28/2008 6:14:20 AM PST by VA Voter
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To: Dustoff45; texas booster
Haven't had a ping from Texas Booster in a very long time.

Is he still doing updates?

34 posted on 11/28/2008 6:21:22 AM PST by houeto
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To: Dustoff45

Have you taken over the F@H list from texasbooster?


35 posted on 11/28/2008 6:24:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: CE2949BB; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Idle computer? Anyone have any idea what they’re talking about?


36 posted on 11/28/2008 6:25:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: Lazamataz

On your knees disciples!


37 posted on 11/28/2008 6:27:26 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: CE2949BB
if something is going to fail, it's usually in the power up phase... leave it on.
38 posted on 11/28/2008 6:46:06 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: CE2949BB
You should be doing some protein folding for the FR folding team when your PC is idle. We are one of the top teams in the world. Lots of info on how to join etc at the link.
39 posted on 11/28/2008 6:52:56 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: SamAdams76

The laser hasn’t burn through yet? LOL


40 posted on 11/28/2008 6:55:19 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: napscoordinator
They are obsolete in 4 years, I have 8 year old hardware that works just fine. There was a stint around 2000 which brought a large number of bad capacitors to the motherboard market (thank the Koreans), but even that that didn't fully kill most motherboards.
41 posted on 11/28/2008 7:01:32 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: wrench

I have an old ASUS board (P2L97) that has dual slots for two processors.

I fitted it up with matching Celerons (the ones with the Klamath core) and overclocked it up to about 500MHZ.

It has about 500 meg of memory, and about 100 meg of hard drive.

I only use it for certain types of testing and turn it on once in a blue moon, but it still runs.

Not bad at all for a board that came out in like 1997.


42 posted on 11/28/2008 9:24:40 AM PST by djf (The harsh reality of life is that reality is harsh.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Young Werther
They're called vestments

Well then.

I consider these girls in vestments.

Y'see.

43 posted on 11/28/2008 10:29:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Idle computer?

My religion, Lazamatology, has a few rules:

- Lazamataz is a jealous god. He will tolerate no idles before him.

44 posted on 11/28/2008 10:31:00 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: Lazamataz
You are a good shepperd, brother Laz.
45 posted on 11/28/2008 2:06:52 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans.)
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To: Dustoff45

I once kept up to 10 machines running 24/7 on United Devices cancer research wich I ran for a few years before it finished up.

There was no wear or adverse effect to the processors themselves and the only ‘problems’ I encountered were the cooling fans breaking and excess power consumption.

Once the project ended, my electric bill went down a lot.

The micro processors do enter a lower power state automatically when they idle and they do cool down if not active. Once a load is placed on them, they do heat up a lot.

A side effect of keeping the computers running 24/7 is the heat that they generate. In colder climates up north, that usually isn’t a negative, especially during the winter, but down here in Florida, it does effect the electric bill a lot.


46 posted on 11/28/2008 4:39:07 PM PST by dglang
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To: VA Voter

I run ALL my machines through a router which is connected to the internet. Hiding a machine behind a router greatly reduces the chances of getting hit by ‘drive by’ villians.

Once, I took one of my machines off the router and exposed it directly to the internet and within 30 seconds, I got hit with a virus.

Since I’ve been running behind the router, I’ve never had any virus at all. I even had my anti-virus, anti-spyware, and anti-rootkit uninstalled for several monthe with no ill effect.

I don’t recommend running without the anti-virus etc protection, but the router absolutely stops most attempts to even get in.

The only way can possibly get a virus would be to download some ‘freeware’ or visit a contaminated site, or possibly through email. If I am dumb enough to visit contaminated web sites, then I deserve what I would get hit with.


47 posted on 11/28/2008 4:48:47 PM PST by dglang
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To: Lazamataz
Binatonka, the Aztec God of Digital Equipment.

I'd hit her.

48 posted on 11/28/2008 4:50:34 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Free Brightside. And re-free Lazamataz.)
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To: CE2949BB
I also concur, it really doesn't matter if you leave it on or turn it off. I will caution you on one point, if you leave it on the fans will run constantly. This cycles all the dust suspended it the air through your computer 24/7. Leaving it on is fine, but set a strict schedule for cleaning the inside of your computer. I have worked on some of theses 24/7 machines and you would not believe the amount of dust that can accumulate in the heat-sink fins and on the fan blades. Leave it on and keep it clean and you will be fine.
49 posted on 11/28/2008 5:03:11 PM PST by PushinTin (NEVER, argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!)
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To: CE2949BB

What about laptops?


50 posted on 11/28/2008 5:23:09 PM PST by Proud 2BeTexan (I voted for Sarah, and am hoping to do so again!)
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