Beethoven was black?

Africa within ^

[Emperor Palpatine]

Absoltively. I find his music quite good. I've played his "Gallope" for piano and orchestra, (basically "Camptown Ladies" given the Lisztian treatment, hehe.), and his "Le Bananier and "Le Banjo were in my repetoire and frequently encores when called for. I played a lot of music by American composers when I was active. Names like Gershwin, Joplin, Blake, Lamb, Scott, Copland, MacDowell, Ives, Bernstein, et. al. showed up in my recital programs quite a bit. Gershwin's "Concerto In F" was one of my warhorses, hehehe. And I had fun with it, too. doubling some bass octaves, extra glissandi, etc.

[Natural Law]

"My Portuguese father was dark and he sure as hell wasn’t black"

Don't be so sure. There were more African slaves in Portugal than in any other European country: in 1550, Lisbon boasted 10000 resident slaves in a population of less than 100000, and Portugal as a whole probably had over 40000. When slavery was outlawed in Portugal in 1773, along with the Purity of Blood Laws, there was essentially no discernible black population. The result is that most persons of Portuguese ancestry have a mixed race ancestry.

[eleni121]

Martin Bernal a lunatic at Cornell posited that most of Ancient Greek philosophers and philosophy/languages was nothing more than taken/stolen/lifted from Black Africa/Mesopotamia—his Black Athena theory, an afrocentric origins theory ridiculed by most linguists and classicists,

This is more of the same bunk.

[Impy]

[Moulay]

If Ludwig vB was black, then the rest of the family must be black too. Ludwig van Beethovens’ family is Belgian. There are at this time 46 entries “van Beethoven” in the Belgian online telephone directory (www.infobel.be). Please call a few to ask whether they are black (start by telling this is not a joke).

[mnehring]

This does fit with some of the writings of his day describing him as “dark”. It was generally taken to describe his mood, but it may have also been a reference to his appearance.

[Athrylith cerddorol anhysbys]

GOTO http://www.csudh.edu/oliver/beetport/beetport.htm

Beethoven does NOT look “black”.
This is just black revisionist fanaticism at it’s finest.
SO much bullshit. Just LOOK at his features in those pix.
There is NO way on earth that he is black.
Why have quite a few moronic people jumped on to the
HE/SHE is Black - HE/SHE is gay nonsense. Do they want
everyone to be Black and/or Gay?? WHY????????????
PURE insanity, plain and simple.
FYI, Handel, Beethoven and Schubert were STRAIGHT.

[Zionist Conspirator]

This is the typical ultra-right wing chauvinistic self worship of every ethnic group with an inferiority complex. Other examples from recent history are Italy, Germany, and Japan. Get the idea?

And yes, I said ultra-right wing. In spite of the fact that Black chauvinists have latched onto Marxism as if it were of African origin (and yes, there are some Black nationalists who claim that Marx got is ideas from traditional African society--har!har!har!). If it were a white American group with an inferiority complex making these ridiculous claims they would be called right wingers. But the presence of melanin makes one left wing, apparently.

Next thing you know, they'll be claiming Marcus Garvey!

[ArrogantBustard]

ANY THOUGHTS?

When I was a child, aeons ago, my very black piano teacher subscribed to this bizarre theory.

Nice lady, excellent pianist AND teacher ... and proof that expertise in one subject does not connote expertise in another.

[PapaBear3625]

First of all, Moors were not Black despite Shakespeare calling them that. They were mostly Celtic and typically blue eyed but they were dark from living in North Africa. They did not live in Sub-Saharan Africa. There has been a lot of confusion about Moors even in ancient times. They are more like the Berbers and to a lesser degree, the Phoenicians of ancient Carthage. It might even be possible that a few were mixed with sub-Saharan Africans but that number would probably have been minuscule.

Since ancient times, the people living on the Mediterranean have more genetic links to each other than they have to people living deeper in their respective continents. Trade, migration, immigration -- there has been a lot of intermixing.

Egyptians migrated to Greece, Greeks migrated to Italy. North Africa was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire, with lots of ships voyaging between the North and South Mediterranean coasts, and having girlfriends in multiple ports.

To a northern European, everybody on the Mediterranean would be labeled a "Moor".

[wardaddy]

Lol......the stupidity of white people today

The gift that keeps on amusing

[Pharmboy]

Here's a look at Ludwig's father and mother. Seems clearly German and Flemish...and here's a quote from this Wiki entry:

The Nazis were especially interested in Beethoven's background: "After making sure that Beethoven had no suspicious racial or national tinge of the non-Germanic in his background (clear evidence of his Flemish ancestry was denied in a series of articles), the masters of the Nazi propaganda and cultural machinery promoted his works as the essence of Germanic and Aryan strength".[9]