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Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
New American ^
| December 8, 2008
| KURT WILLIAMSEN
Posted on 12/02/2008 3:11:01 PM PST by hamboy
Obama Citizenship Accusations Come to a Head
As we have reported earlier in our article "Barack Obama and the Citizenship Scandal," it has been alleged that Barack Obama is ineligible to become president for two reasons: evidence has come forward that Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States as required by the Constitution (because only one of Obama's parents is an American); and even if he was born here, his mother relinquished his citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.
This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)
Philip J. Berg, a lifelong Democrat, sued to see Obama's original birth certificate, but a court ruled that because Berg was not in some way harmed by Obama — monetarily, physically, or reputation-wise — he was not a plaintiff in good standing. This action by the court put a temporary end to the belief that we would ever know the answer to the accusations. But now the claim is flaring up again for several reasons:
• Alan Keyes, a presidential candidate of the American Independent Party, and Markham Robinson, a California elector, have now sued to see Obama's birth certificate (these men would definitely have legal "standing" to sue as plaintiffs in this case).
• The We the People Foundation took out a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune about the scandal.
• On Friday, December 5, the Supreme Court will have a "conference" on the question of Obama's citizenship. (If four out of the nine justices vote to hear the case, oral arguments may be scheduled.)
Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.)
Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya.
Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal.
But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed?
Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it.
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; certigate; citizenship; obama; obamacon; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; stbc; thekenyan; zero
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:11:01 PM PST
by
hamboy
To: hamboy
...his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard. (It is speculated that the transcripts will show he applied for aid to foreign students.)Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid "The One" that keeps them silent?
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:19:24 PM PST
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
To: hamboy
To get my carry license for a weapon in Tennessee I had to provide a certified copy of my actual Washington, D.C. record of birth. This is my Republic. This Chicago thuggish prick is applying to be the president of My Republic. He is bound by Constitutional requirement to provide proof to We The People that he is eligible according to Constitutional parameters.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:19:37 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
To: hamboy
"Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies."
That's too obviously true. HOWEVER, I don't see legal minds of the caliber of Roberts, Scalia, and 3 or 4 other justices just shrugging this issue aside. Would these types of minds and egos want their reputation for all time to reflect that they just didn't give a damn about the plain wording of the Constitution?
That makes no sense to me at all.
To: hamboy
I imagine the writer has already prepared his “It’s all a put up job !” screed for that time-not far distant- when the Supreme Court examines what passes for “evidence”,and sends the assorted litigants packing.
If this is such a factual story, I wonder why we have 13 or 14 “sock puppets” - most of whom sound alike - attempting to Google bomb the internet ??
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:20:54 PM PST
by
genefromjersey
(So much to flame;so little time !)
To: hamboy
He was smuggled into Hawaii from Kenya in a suitcase in 1960, surviving 3 check-ins.
His American "grandparents" got paid to say he was theirs.
He traveled on a Kenyan passport on his recent trip to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Germany.
The State government of Hawaii, the U.S. State Department, and the Illinois Bar Association are all in on the cover-up.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:21:16 PM PST
by
kenavi
To: JimRed
You ask such a question knowing the aforementioned educational institutions are infestations of liberalism and growing gardens of Marxist perspective.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:21:33 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
To: JimRed
“Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid “The One” that keeps them silent? “
From what I’ve read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:26:08 PM PST
by
AuntB
(The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
To: hamboy
“...have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers ...”
It becomes more and more obvious that he doesn’t believe that his employers are the American citizens!
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:29:26 PM PST
by
quintr
To: JimRed
I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate to replace my driver’s license and social security card.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:30:08 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
To: AuntB
"From what Ive read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him."
Uh, Men in Black, with pencil shaped, mind erasers.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:30:15 PM PST
by
Paladin2
(No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
To: kenavi
Your arguments are not relevant to the case. All Obama has to do is prove he was born in Hawaii as he claimed.
That's such a simple task that millions of people can do it without hiring a single lawyer.
Time for Obama to do it.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:31:30 PM PST
by
muawiyah
To: AuntB
Sad to think that there is not a single honest present or former employee of either college who will come forward to refute or confirm this speculation. Is it fear, or just the opportunity to aid The One that keeps them silent?
From what Ive read about his Columbia days, no one remembers him. His whole history is like that.
Nobody remembers him except people that are in jail, Africa or homeless.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:32:20 PM PST
by
Bon mots
To: hamboy
Interesting to hear about the “aid to foreign students” angle.
But unless someone can temporarily convince some record-keeper that Obama is a Republican, I doubt anyone will come forward with details.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:32:42 PM PST
by
cvq3842
To: muawiyah
FOX just reported on this during Brett Baer’s bottom of the hour summary...
Is there traction being gained by the blogosphere’s activity on this question?
Hmmmm???
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:33:49 PM PST
by
GRRRRR
(He'll NEVER be my President!)
To: MHGinTN
...
educational institutions are infestations of liberalism and growing gardens of Marxist perspective.You're right, of course, and if they stepped up to refute the charges and were proven liars later, wouldn't they rate a promotion?
;^)
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:35:04 PM PST
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
To: hamboy
It would be a catastrophe if this little creep came to vindicate himself by shaming us and all of America in any way shape or form.
It’s ridiculous.
The world is watching.
If we cower, they will gloat and dismiss us.
There lays the crux of it all and why it’s been covered up.
Obama, the muslim marxist shame twisting con-artist.
But, hey, nowadays gays make Christians guilty, abortionists make the child guilty, pedophiles make the child guilty, terrorists make the citizenry guilty.
Heck, even Bush feels guilty to no end lately.
It’s time America had a talk about this and how much we are at risk from foreign takeover and slavery as a result.
We profess, the cover up, like rapists in shame running scared, before they murder their victims into quietness.
Rewriting history, they think they can... not.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:35:36 PM PST
by
JudgemAll
(control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
To: Bon mots
“His whole history is like that.
Nobody remembers him except people that are in jail, Africa or homeless.”
Or dead.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:36:35 PM PST
by
Salamander
(Blue Oyster Cult: The soundtrack for the revolution.)
To: cvq3842
“Interesting to hear about the aid to foreign students angle.
But unless someone can temporarily convince some record-keeper that Obama is a Republican, I doubt anyone will come forward with details.”
An interesting perspective on this was offered in another thread yesterday. Basically it said, since it is CLEAR that Obama plans on keeping his B.C. under wraps, it makes him an easy target for blackmail ,,,,from other parties, other governments, KGB, etc. He is not helping himself OR his country because this could very easily not only be a Constitutional issue, it could be a security issue.
To: muawiyah
My take is Zero will remain Zero and will say Zero.
It’s a vicious mean to use the truth, the professed truth, against itself, while the quiet zero nothing has nothing to say nor nothing is said about him.
They want to prosecute the truth, to use the Word against us and against Itself. Meanwhile Obama will keep with vagarities and vagueness of hope and change and BS and people will say it is genius.
It’s nihilist tactic.
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posted on
12/02/2008 3:39:01 PM PST
by
JudgemAll
(control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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