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Hollywood to GOP: "We Still Hate You"
TownHall ^ | December 9, 2008 | Douglas MacKinnon

Posted on 12/09/2008 10:12:12 AM PST by dbz77

Just because you can, does not mean you should. Look, as conservatives or Republicans, we truly do get the point that much of Hollywood despises us or the ideology they have convinced themselves we blindly follow.

For the last two decades or so, they have channeled much of that anger into films that have bashed Richard Nixon or George W. Bush. And now, purely because he can, director Ron Howard and his team are giving us "Frost/Nixon." A feel-good film for liberals that once again, in case you missed the plethora of earlier offerings, trumpets the evils of President Richard Nixon and his particular band of henchmen.

Recently, here in Washington, Mr. Howard offered up a screening of the film at the headquarters of the National Geographic Society before a mostly left-leaning audience. Unfortunately for the filmmaker and those in attendance who really can't stand Mr. Nixon or President George W. Bush, a fly in the ointment appeared in the guise of Chris Wallace from Fox News. Now, even though an independent study by Pew demonstrates that Fox News, by far, is the most balanced of the networks, all on the left loudly proclaim it to be nothing more than a tool of the Bush administration.

Understanding that hostile perception, Mr. Wallace, as he himself has described in interviews, could stand it no more and decided to challenge the liberal panel of Mr. Howard, screenwriter Peter Morgan, James Reston Jr., and "Historian" Robert Dallek. During the question and answer session after the screening, what most set off Mr. Wallace was a pronouncement by Mr. Reston (the son of the New York Times columnist and openly Nixon hating former researcher for Frost) that the film was "a metaphor for George W. Bush."

As he has stated, against the pleas of his wife to remain silent, Mr. Wallace asked for a microphone to refute what he believed to be a ridiculous and biased statement. "To compare George W. Bush to Richard Nixon is to trivialize Nixon's crimes and is a disservice to Bush," said Mr. Wallace. "Richard Nixon's crimes were committed solely for his own political gain, whereas George W. Bush was trying to protect the American people." Mr. Wallace then reminded the panel that Mr. Bush must have done something right after 9/11 as, over seven years later, "we are all sitting here tonight so comfortably."

Therein lies a very important point. For much of the left, it's imperative to their narrative that they never admit Mr. Bush has done anything right. While they have taken him to task time and again for "never admitting his mistakes," the irony is lost on them that they can't admit to his successes. Even those that protect them and their loved ones.

As if to underline the loathing of Mr. Bush and the denial of any of his success, "Historian" Mr. Dallek predictably suggested to Mr. Wallace that while, thanks to the Watergate tapes, Mr. Nixon's crimes were well documented, we would have to wait until such documentation on Mr. Bush emerged before his sins would become more apparent. Mr. Wallace again became frustrated that a "historian" would utter such an ignorant and biased statement and said, "You make suppositions on no facts whatsoever." To which Mr. Dallek incredulously replied, "Do you read The New York Times?"

As one who spent three years working in a joint command in the Pentagon with a top secret clearance, and with the full knowledge that the American people -- and that includes the powers that be in Hollywood -- are not privy to the vast amount of information or intelligence used to protect them, I'd like to pose a very probable scenario to Messrs. Howard, Morgan, Reston, and Dallek: What if, based on up-to-the-minute intelligence contained in the President's Daily Briefing (the PDB), President Barack Obama is confronted with horrific information that the candidate Obama never saw, and decides --purely in the national security interests of our nation -- to keep in place some of the policies of the hated Mr. Bush? What critical movie, biased historical supposition, or slanted screenplay will they offer up in criticism of Mr. Obama? For that matter, what critical movies of any presidents other than Messrs. Nixon and Bush, would the panel consider? Surely Mr. Dallek knows that unbiased history tells us that President Lyndon Johnson abused his office and power.

In the last several years, Hollywood has produced a number of money-losing failures aimed at Mr. Bush. It is the right of those investors, screenwriters, producers and directors to make films that the vast majority of Americans choose not to see. Just as it is Mr. Howard's right to make yet another film demonizing Mr. Nixon.

At what point however, does Hollywood let their irrational and often factually inaccurate hatred for these two presidents go and move on? Obviously, they are not there yet.


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: culturewar; douglasmackinnon; fakebutaccurate; georgewbush; hollywoodreds; revisionisthistory; richardnixon
If I remember correctly, what Nixon did was obstruct the investigation and prosecution of a third-rate burglary where no property was stolen.
1 posted on 12/09/2008 10:12:14 AM PST by dbz77
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To: dbz77

Thats alright. Hollywood can do without my money.


2 posted on 12/09/2008 10:13:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: dbz77

Dopey Opie


3 posted on 12/09/2008 10:14:21 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN'T GONNA FLY!)
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To: dbz77
Mr. Wallace again became frustrated that a "historian" would utter such an ignorant and biased statement and said, "You make suppositions on no facts whatsoever." To which Mr. Dallek incredulously replied, "Do you read The New York Times?"

If I were Chris Wallace, my rejoinder would have been, "So you agree that you make suppositions on no facts whatsoever?"

4 posted on 12/09/2008 10:16:06 AM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov

It’s what they do best. It’s not like they have moral quandaries getting in the way of a good hate.


5 posted on 12/09/2008 10:17:28 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: dbz77

The reverse is true too—we hate H’weird & we’re tired of the sicko movies being released with high-paid intellectually-challenged leftist demoncRAT idiots starring in them too. H’weird doesn’t get my money.


6 posted on 12/09/2008 10:18:01 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: dbz77
What critical movie, biased historical supposition, or slanted screenplay will they offer up in criticism of Mr. Obama?

Thou Shalt Not Speak Against The Goodness Of The Obama, The Messiah, The One (piss be upon him).

7 posted on 12/09/2008 10:18:15 AM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: dbz77

I am so disappointed in Opi,

and very pleased with Chris Wallace.


8 posted on 12/09/2008 10:18:42 AM PST by hoe_cake (" 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us." Ronald Reagan)
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To: dbz77
If I remember correctly, what Nixon did was obstruct the investigation and prosecution of a third-rate burglary where no property was stolen.

The mear facts can never heal the wound that was made by Nixon having a life long success against the communist monolith. Without Nixon and others like him in the 50s and 60s, the world communist society could have been pleasantly implemented with the help of their primary international institution, the United Nations. Nixon was a terrible spoil sport.

9 posted on 12/09/2008 10:19:53 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: dbz77

Nixon was a liberal.


10 posted on 12/09/2008 10:19:56 AM PST by DManA
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To: dbz77
While they have taken [President Bush] to task time and again for "never admitting his mistakes," the irony is lost on them that they can't admit to his successes.

This is lost on all liberals and they will never admit he did anything good. The best I can do is never watch the film, keeping my pockets closed to such crap. I hope all Freepers will do the same.

11 posted on 12/09/2008 10:19:58 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: skeeter

Thats alright. Hollywood can do without my money.

And that is a very good point at that, too. The only reason that they exist is that WE, myself not included - I wait and go Redbox 3 months later - go stand in a line to see their crap at 7 bucks a head.


12 posted on 12/09/2008 10:20:16 AM PST by Cyclone59 (still speechless over the election)
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To: dbz77

I’d gladly take Nixon now over the Obamessiah.


13 posted on 12/09/2008 10:23:39 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: dbz77

BS Kisses Bush....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVvA2xdo1kA


14 posted on 12/09/2008 10:25:20 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: dbz77

This is going to be another total box office flop. Nobody cares about Nixon anymore except the dwindling band of stuck in amber lefties.


15 posted on 12/09/2008 10:27:19 AM PST by jpl (Does anybody have seven hundred billion dollars I can borrow?)
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To: Vaquero

I like her singing and when she was younger she was kinda hot but that vidjoe creeps me out


16 posted on 12/09/2008 10:27:26 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom IF DA BIRTH PLACE IS A LIE, BEING DA PRESIDENT AIN'T GONNA FLY!)
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To: dbz77
Mr. Wallace then reminded the panel that Mr. Bush must have done something right after 9/11 as, over seven years later, "we are all sitting here tonight so comfortably."

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Why thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work; it's just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

17 posted on 12/09/2008 10:28:27 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: dbz77

I was about 6 when Nixon agreed to have this interview with Frost. Why are conservatives mad about this movie being made? Was Nixon FORCED to do this interview and say what he did? Sometimes we get mad at unusual things. Facts are facts...No?


18 posted on 12/09/2008 10:29:13 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: dbz77
"Richard Nixon's crimes were committed solely for his own political gain, whereas George W. Bush was trying to protect the American people."

Nixon's intentions were not for his political gain. Can you imagine McGovern as the President of the U.S.?

Nixon was a cold warrior, fighting both foreign and domestic enemies and we could use one now.

19 posted on 12/09/2008 10:32:30 AM PST by oldbrowser (bipartisanship means capitulation)
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To: DManA

“Nixon was a liberal”

Hmmmmm... that could be argued.

But there was a time when “anticommunist liberal” was not an oxymoron. All that changed in 1972 with the McGovernite takeover of the Dems party.


20 posted on 12/09/2008 10:34:14 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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To: dbz77

I do not care what hollywood and a handful of professional liars thinks. Never have, never will and will not adjust my political views , traditions, or ethics because of their socialist agenda in lights and mine kept in the dark by the same few that has control of that light switch....the MSM !

I DO NOT buy their products, I DO NOT buy from their sponsor's. I will vote with my dollars in that manner. I will as well vote at every level of politics against these domestic enemies of these United States of America and their incremental destruction of our nation.

They have the media , they control the media. That is not debatable at all. Thus we have to put them out of business. They make their money from advertising and public funding. Volunteering to assist your political party with your time and funds is key as always but you can double or triple that effort by careful and conscious spending and watching where every dollar you spend goes ! If the product is union made. You know that money goes to help the socialist democrats. Watch yer nickles or that will be all you have left !

Just my opinion in bold !


21 posted on 12/09/2008 10:35:42 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: dbz77

Conservatives should engage in an alout boycott of anything coming out of Hollywood.

For that matter any company that supports the leftist agenda should be boycotted by conservatives.


22 posted on 12/09/2008 10:36:03 AM PST by stockpirate (Left ignores Constitution except 16th amendment, can we ignore the 16th amendment?)
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To: dbz77

I take back anything I’ve ever said against Chris Wallace. Ron Howard recently has fizzled as a director, tied into his mutation into yet another agenda driven hack. “A Beautiful Mind” was indescribably boring and the patently anti-Catholic “The DaVinci Code” did not earn nearly up to expectations in the United States. I predict “Nixon/Frost” will tank big time a la Stone’s “W”.


23 posted on 12/09/2008 10:38:59 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: dbz77
The dilemma for leftists is that their beloved public school system has made the average American too ingorant to be interested in their revisionist history agitprop.

This movie will tank at the box office.

24 posted on 12/09/2008 10:39:29 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: dbz77

We still don’t care.

I quit spending my money on anything Hollywood long ago.


25 posted on 12/09/2008 10:40:50 AM PST by bella1 (Remember; it took four years of Carter to give us eight years of Reagan.)
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To: dbz77

Nixon was correct for breaking in to the democrat offices at Watergate. When you read the FBI files on the Viet-Nam Veterans Against the War, VVAW you see the real reason behind the breakin.

THe democrat party had very close ties to this US Terrorist group, a group that plotted to kill 9 US pro-war senators, blow up government buildings, attempted to kill VP Agnew, ran guns to a militant group in ILL, was involved in a pot to kill Nixon, gave military secrets to the NV, and Russians, prolonged the war resulting in more US deaths, worked in concert with NV and other communist groups against the war.

He should have said WHY they really broke in.

BTW- John Mccain is friends with a terrorist, John F. Kerry.


26 posted on 12/09/2008 10:42:17 AM PST by stockpirate (Left ignores Constitution except 16th amendment, can we ignore the 16th amendment?)
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To: al baby

His next movie will be about the life and times of a railorad tie.


27 posted on 12/09/2008 10:48:10 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: jpl
This is going to be another total box office flop. Nobody cares about Nixon anymore except the dwindling band of stuck in amber lefties.

Right you are. Which means it will win several Oscar nominations and awards.

28 posted on 12/09/2008 10:49:08 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: steve-b
I was in the single digits when he stepped down. I still remember the broadcast that day vividly of him resigning. My whole family was heartbroken because we all loved him. I was too small to have a political opinion.

One of you explained that he ruined it for the commies. All the better. NO WONDER they still hold the hate torch for him. On Novemeber 5th history channel aired The Presidents. Nixon was all bad. However, Jimmy Carter crapped gold evidently.

Same old....

I find the History Channel is not usually biased.

29 posted on 12/09/2008 10:49:21 AM PST by Uversabound (Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
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To: dbz77

I don’t care what Hollywood thinks about Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II or Obama. They produce partisan fairy/zombie stories and try to make us think they’re documentaries about actual history. Now and then they make a good movie but their political movies are mostly ads for the democrat party.


30 posted on 12/09/2008 10:56:32 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: dbz77
director Ron Howard

What happened to "Opie Cunningham" - did Hollyweird do this to him ?

31 posted on 12/09/2008 10:59:00 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (NO Kenyan Usurpers in the White House - NObama !)
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To: dbz77

Its worse.

Like now, classified information was turning up on the front page of the New York Times. He put together a team to try to deal with it.

Everyone understands that what they did was illegal. They forget that it was a response to treason.

Nixon overstepped in trying to protect the guys on his team, in part because he knew the kinds of things his opponents were doing and getting away with.

Have there been any movies lately about how Johnson became a billionaire on a public salary?

Any movies lately about how JFK destroyed Eisenhower’s Tibetan army? And then destroyed Eisenhower’s Cuban army? And then ordered the death of the president of South Viet Nam?

And they think Nixon is the Prince of Darkness?

More recently, anyone remember here lately how the Fannie Mae Freddy Mac episode, in which Democrat corruption played a huge part, was laid at the feet of GW Bush? And people bought it?

Or conversely, how CIA secrets consistently wind up on the front page of the paper, and Bush has failed to stop it? Nixon tried, and they hung him out to dry.


32 posted on 12/09/2008 11:06:28 AM PST by marron
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To: dbz77

The left must always have its boogeyman. In my lifetime, that role has been filled by McCarthy, Goldwater, Nixon, Delay, Gingrich, Rove, and currently Palin. It all reminds me of the “two minute hate’ sessions in “1984”. It just seems Libtards desperately need some villian, real or imagined, in order for them to function.


33 posted on 12/09/2008 11:13:17 AM PST by Robwin
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To: dbz77

Hollyweird has finally achieved its long time goal of brainwashing America to their way of thinking.

Exhibit A: BHO.

Exhibit B: Congress

Exhibit C: The youth of America


34 posted on 12/09/2008 12:04:49 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: stockpirate
Conservatives should engage in an alout boycott of anything coming out of Hollywood.

I've done that for years. Last movie I saw in a theater was the orginal Jaws.

35 posted on 12/09/2008 12:13:54 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The main stream media lied - America died.)
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To: dbz77

Imagine if Nixon had sold a Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Imagine if Nixon had permitted a bank merger to go through in exchange for supression of negative stories in the press, as LBJ did.

What Nixon did was persue Communists in the 1950s and they always hated him for it.


36 posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:39 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: steve-b
In defense of the Bush declaration of War on Terrorism. We had been hit numerous times during the Clinton administration (and in earlier presidential administrations). Quite often under Clinton though. 9-11 was in the planning for several years and was not a response to Bush policy.

We are told that taking on terrorists has made it worse for us among terrorists. Where are the successful hits? There have been some very small things aimed at the US, more in Spain, England, Bali, and now Bombay AIMED at Westerners but that is not US.

Bush has made us safer.

9-11 did not happen because we were fighting wars we should not have been. 9-11 happened because we weren't fighting a war that we should have.

37 posted on 12/09/2008 12:38:49 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: weegee

>>Bombay AIMED at Westerners

Come on Weegee you’re smarter than that, don’t buy that MSM meme.

Of over 200 killed, some were Israelis/Jews, a handful Americans, but most were Indians.

In fact, more Muslims were slaughtered at the train station than Westerners.

They chose the Taj because of its profile; when bombs on commuter trains killed over 250 Indians in 2006, the Western press barely covered it.

Hence, a smart decision by jihadis to attack at least one place with foreigners, but TARGETING, NO, that was just gravy and frosting designed to grab Western media attention.


38 posted on 12/09/2008 12:42:42 PM PST by swarthyguy (*Bush Promised us Osama, instead we're getting Obama*)
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To: swarthyguy

They asked anyone who was British to raise their hands. That is targeting Westerners.

I don’t put the stake of anyone over anyone else in the attack. But you have to take the terrorists at their word sometimes.

There are other attacks in India that have not gotten such global press.

But we have not had US embassies bombed, US planes bombed, US ships bombed, etc. We did under Clinton.


39 posted on 12/09/2008 1:00:12 PM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: dbz77

Little Dopie Cunningham makes some good movies but I won’t be watching any more of them.


40 posted on 12/09/2008 1:02:42 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: weegee

Guess it comes down to terminology and semantics.

I would say they singled out Westerners, but, IMO, logically, the statement that they “targeted” Westerners is faulty because despite doing so, they managed to only kill a fraction of the Westerners as opposed to Indians.

But, if the killing of Westerners can be used as a cudgel over Pakistan, I’m all for that.


41 posted on 12/09/2008 1:14:51 PM PST by swarthyguy (*Bush Promised us Osama, instead we're getting Obama*)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Opie sucks.


42 posted on 12/11/2008 12:04:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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