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Pompeii Family's Final Hours Reconstructed
Discovery News ^ | December 11, 2008 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 12/15/2008 7:31:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv

At around 1:00 p.m. on Aug. 24, 79 A.D., Pompeii residents saw a pine tree-shaped column of smoke bursting from Vesuvius. Reaching nine miles into the sky, the column began spewing a thick pumice rain. Many residents rushed in the streets, trying to leave the city.

"At that moment, Polybius' house was inhabited by 12 people, including a young woman in advanced pregnancy. They decided to remain in the house, most likely because it was safer for the pregnant woman. Given the circumstances, it was the right strategy," Scarpati said...

At around 7:00 p.m., by which time the front part the house had collapsed, the inhabitants took shelter in the rear rooms, whose steeper roofs had not been damaged by the falling material.

"There were three adult males, three adult females of various ages, four boys, one girl, one child and one fetus in the last month of intrauterine life. The fetus was associated with the skeleton of a young (16 to 18-year-old) female," Scarpati said.

Analysis of mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down through the maternal line, revealed that six individuals belonged to the same family.

"The age of five out of six individuals suggests that they were siblings. Another subject, about 25 to 30 years old, might have been a cousin. The three adult women were unrelated," molecular biologist Marilena Cipollaro, of the Second University of Naples, told Discovery News...

Most likely, the group of people in Polybius' house included the parents, their children, a cousin and his young, pregnant wife, plus a pair of servants.

(Excerpt) Read more at dsc.discovery.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; pompeii; vesuvius
Claudio Scarpati | Final Moment -- After the eruption of Mount Vesuvius, many Pompeiians fled into the streets in an attempt to escape the rain of pumice, gas and rock. The figure in this cast was among the hundreds of victims who never made it to safety.
Final Hours Reconstructed

1 posted on 12/15/2008 7:31:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: martin_fierro

mtDNA study.


2 posted on 12/15/2008 7:31:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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3 posted on 12/15/2008 7:31:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ah...

...the old “shelter in place”.


4 posted on 12/15/2008 7:33:17 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve seen some of those castings of victims (years ago at a local museum when they had a traveling Pompeii exhibit) and some of the stories they told were so tragic—especially this one of the lost baby and it’s young mother. :*(

I understand that Vesuvius is still dangerous even today, and the city of Naples could go at any time! Why do people choose to live under that kind of possible death and destruction? Same reason people choose to live in earthquake prone LA, or flood prone NOLA...boggles the mind.


5 posted on 12/15/2008 7:36:03 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SunkenCiv
and one fetus in the last month of intrauterine life.

"Life"? LIFE?! You mean a fetus in the womb is in HUMAN LIFE??

6 posted on 12/15/2008 7:37:56 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Pro-life)
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To: SunkenCiv

What a completely fasinating study.


7 posted on 12/15/2008 7:41:29 AM PST by svcw (Great selection of Christmas gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Polybius

ping


8 posted on 12/15/2008 7:44:08 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had heard about and read about the Vesuvius eruption, of course, but when actually there was in shock. It was as though the tragedy had just happened. I was creeped out for weeks. I expected an interesting historic experience. What I got was a horrifying human experience. Time vanished. Humanity transcends all barriers.


9 posted on 12/15/2008 7:56:06 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Your grandchildren will live under communism." -Nikita Krushchev)
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To: BenLurkin

“hunker down”


10 posted on 12/15/2008 8:02:29 AM PST by weegee (Sec. of State Clinton. What kind of change is it to keep the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton Oligarchy?)
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To: BenLurkin

They’d have probably made it if equiped with duct tape and plastic sheeting.


11 posted on 12/15/2008 8:15:06 AM PST by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new enviromentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: SunkenCiv

Pompeii, The Last Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_tDy4dMD8


12 posted on 12/15/2008 8:16:36 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Charles Henrickson

Obviously, somebody slipped up! ;’)


13 posted on 12/15/2008 8:22:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Charles Henrickson
one fetus in the last month of intrauterine life.

In other words......an unborn child.

14 posted on 12/15/2008 8:24:39 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: svcw

The only similar thing I’ve read about in the past had to do with the Temple of Isis — the temple treasury was hurriedly put in bags, and a group of temple employees (or whatever you wanna call ‘em) left the place and tried to run out of the city searching for safety. One by one they succumbed and were buried where they fell, covered with ash, leaving only their 3-d forms in the hardened strata, to be found centuries later by archaeologists — still clutching their parts of the treasury.


15 posted on 12/15/2008 8:25:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: pillut48
Why do people choose to live under that kind of possible death and destruction?

Because the Amalfi Coast south of Naples is probably one of the most beautiful places on the planet. There's also the fact that Vesuvio is not only the taker of life, but the bringer as well. You won't see dirt as fertile as in the vicinity of Vesuvio in may parts of the world. In and around Naples/Sorrento is some of the finest citrus in the world. I'm talking lemons the size of NFL footballs. The ash from Vesuvio is also what makes the Med so blue.

I intend on retiring in Sorrento despite the threat of Vesuvio and earthquakes. There really is NO place on earth truly safe from the wrath of Mother Nature. Besides, Vesuvio is quite for the time being.

16 posted on 12/15/2008 8:28:09 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: pillut48

I see exactly what you mean, but hey, people in California say that about those of us who live in areas which get tornados and hurricanes (although when there’s a Republican president, he takes all the blame for the carnage and destruction, particularly in NOLA). Could be anywhere. I mean, Mutton Island off the west coast of Ireland used to be a good bit larger, but in the 9th century (if memory serves) a tsunami (that’s what we’d call it now) came in, busted up the island (what’s left is in three pieces), rushed inland a ways, and killed hundreds. Record of this survived in local ecclesiastical texts.


17 posted on 12/15/2008 8:29:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Savage Beast

A few months back I was reading most of the Vesuvius books I have around here, and Herculaneum (which is mostly not open to tourists, or to much of anyone else either) right on the slopes of the mountain had a gymnasium. The day of the eruption, the sports equipment was set out and ready for use in some kind of organized games which were, uh, interrupted. Also in Herculaneum were found quite a number of wooden artifacts, some carbonized from the heat, including doors which still swing fine on their hinges.


18 posted on 12/15/2008 8:32:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: pillut48
I’ve seen some of those castings of victims

There has recently been a new method developed for the castings. Instead of plaster they are now using resins.

The one thing that strikes me most about the casts is how very small the Romans were in 49. The average height for a man was about 5'2". That's something to remember when traveling to the old places. You might feel cramped, but the folks 2000 years ago were much small than us.

If you have never visited southern Italy I highly recommend it. Pompeii is a cool place to spend some time, but Herculaneum (on the other side of Vesuvio) is a better looking and less looted archeological site.

19 posted on 12/15/2008 8:34:14 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: BenLurkin

:’) Pliny the Elder was so nonchalant about the phenomena that, instead of having everyone board ships and get out, he insisted on bathing a little and having a nap. When it was finally obvious that everyone had better run for it, he succumbed to a cloud of poisonous gas. His surviving companions found him dead “as if sleeping” the next day.


20 posted on 12/15/2008 8:34:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Ooooo, good catch, Charles!!

Unfortunately, some editor will probably catch that ‘typo’ and “fix” it to say something like “...and one fetus in the last month of intrauterine gestation” or the like. :-(


21 posted on 12/15/2008 8:36:37 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s my understanding that Herculaneum was buried under hot sliding mud and is therefore hard to excavate, unlike Pompeii, which was buried under pummace. It’s my understanding that much of Herculaneum has not been excavated.


22 posted on 12/15/2008 8:45:50 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Your grandchildren will live under communism." -Nikita Krushchev)
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Full Pompeii series on Youtube:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MRLDAh8axU

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ppmaBO3wkI

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rRnMYtkCRU

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_xXxtUfkQ

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiSjeSdkkXg


23 posted on 12/15/2008 8:46:15 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Savage Beast
It was indeed -- buried by pyroclastic flow. But the main reason it hasn't been excavated is that so much of the town lies under the modern town (which was renamed I guess, in honor of the Roman-era town, after its discovery). In recent centuries quite a few tunnels were made to find and pull out statues and whatnot, and some of the diggers got sick (maybe some died, I can't remember offhand) from ancient trapped gases from the eruption, released from digging the rock. There's been some driving for a reopening of the tunnels (much of the "House of the Papyri" has been uncovered, and was used as the model for the villa part of Getty Museum) and building a comprehensive map (the surviving maps weren't very well made or accurate).

Also, there's a (possibly unfounded) belief that the papyri library (most of it that survived "examination" and "unrolling" has been published over the past 150 years or so) found in the HottP was just one part of the entire collection, and that additional storeys of the house contain other libraries. THAT would be cool, particularly since the methods now in use would be able to read and recover ALL of the written contents. Time will tell.
24 posted on 12/15/2008 8:58:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think it was Robert Harris who wrote the novel, Pompeii. I remember it as well researched, excellent story and prose. It seemed quite believable.


25 posted on 12/15/2008 9:12:47 AM PST by printhead
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To: SunkenCiv

I just read a book called “The Lost Tomb” about these very things! Although I didn’t care for the anti-Catholic/religion aspect of the story, the stuff about Pompeii, Herculaneum and ancient Rome was fascinating.


26 posted on 12/15/2008 9:57:22 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48
Forgot to share this site with lots of pics of Pompeii.
27 posted on 12/15/2008 9:58:29 AM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: SunkenCiv

bookmark


28 posted on 12/15/2008 10:20:40 AM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: SunkenCiv

I have been to Pompeii. It is worth the trip.


29 posted on 12/15/2008 10:30:50 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: pillut48

A traveling show on Pompeii was at the Houston Museum this summer and was great. The plaster casts were interesting and copies of the fresco art from the walls were cool, but the jewelry and artifacts (such as a surgeon’s set of scapels and other tools for operations) were just as fascinating.


30 posted on 12/15/2008 12:04:49 PM PST by wildbill
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To: beaversmom

Mark.

Thanks.


31 posted on 12/15/2008 2:22:44 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: SunkenCiv

Has Bush been blamed for this yet?


32 posted on 12/15/2008 3:43:20 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Say Cheese.)
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To: U S Army EOD

Obviously he is at fault — he did a real “Katrina” job on those poor Pompeians.


33 posted on 12/15/2008 3:50:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Cartridgeagenians placed explosives in the volcano, Bush knew about it.


34 posted on 12/15/2008 5:38:45 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Say Cheese.)
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To: U S Army EOD

:’D


35 posted on 12/15/2008 7:15:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

House of Julius Polybius, Vestibule painted in First Style

36 posted on 12/16/2008 6:28:23 AM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for the thread!

A related link, also on the casts....

Resurrecting Pompeii

37 posted on 12/16/2008 6:37:27 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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