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The face of Cleopatra: Scientists recreate the first true image of the legendary beauty
DailyMail.uk ^ | 15th December 2008 | Fiona Macrae

Posted on 12/15/2008 9:59:29 AM PST by yankeedame

The face of Cleopatra: Scientists recreate the first true image of the legendary beauty

...Cambridge University Egyptologist...believes the computer-generated 3D image is the best likeness of the legendary beauty...

Pieced together from images on ancient artefacts, including a ring dating from Cleopatra's reign 2000 years ago, it is the culmination of more than a year of painstaking research.


Likeness: The computer-generated 3D image has been pieced
together from images on ancient artefacts

The result is a strikingly beautiful young woman of mixed ethnicity...

...reflect the monarch's Greek heritage as well as her Egyptian upbringing.

...'She probably wasn’t just completely European. You’ve got to remember that her family had actually lived in Egypt for 300 years by the time she came to power.'


Realism: The result is a strikingly beautiful young woman
of mixed ethnicity


Iconic: Liz Taylor in the 1961 film Cleopatra

'For years we've grown up with this image of Antony and Cleopatra as sex symbols. But the truth is something entirely different. 'It truly is quite fascinating. Roman writers tell us that Cleopatra was intelligent and charismatic and that she had a seductive voice. 'But, tellingly, they do not mention her beauty at all' The queen's appearance has long been the subject of debate among academics....

...Born in Alexandra in 69BC, into Macedonian Greek dynasty that had ruled Egypt for 300 years, Cleopatra acceded to the throne at 17. At 20, she seduced Julius Caesar, strengthening her grip on the throne bearing him a love child Caesarion. When Caesar was assassinated in 44BC, she courted Mark Antony, before committing suicide on his death in 30BC. Egypt then became a province of the Roman Empire.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Education; Miscellaneous; Reference
KEYWORDS: ancientegypt; godsgravesglyphs

Hollywood gossip:

For most of her adult life Liz Taylor who attracted to homosexual/bi-sexual men who reaguarlly beat the %$#@# out of her. In the filming of "Cleopatra" they had to hault production for three days because Richard Burton beat her so badly that even the best make-up folks could hide it. So, production was haulted for three days to allow it to get to the point where carefullly applied make-up and camera angles could mask it.

And no, it wasn't the first time with Burton and, as said before, he wasn't the only one -- not by a long shot. Eddie Fisher and a whole slew of others used her for a punching bag.

1 posted on 12/15/2008 9:59:29 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

2 posted on 12/15/2008 10:01:48 AM PST by BGHater (Obama is a Neocon.)
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To: BGHater

See now.....you take a beautiful thing....and ...


3 posted on 12/15/2008 10:03:21 AM PST by NordP (PALIN POWER: She's Reagan in heels, Teddy Roosevelt in a dress & like Rummy at a press conference!)
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To: yankeedame

4 posted on 12/15/2008 10:04:58 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: yankeedame
Wow!!! She was black and had CORN ROWS in her hair! How neat!! /sarcasm
5 posted on 12/15/2008 10:04:58 AM PST by RetiredArmy (My home is protected by the 2d Amendment!! Locked and loaded.)
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To: yankeedame
The result is a strikingly beautiful young woman of mixed ethnicity...

She looks like a cartoon character.

Sorry.

6 posted on 12/15/2008 10:05:52 AM PST by LiberConservative (That temperatures are actually falling now illustrates how fast the world is warming.)
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To: yankeedame

I’ll bet she made the best grilled cheese in the entire Nile Delta, because THAT’s how you really earn the adoration of men.


7 posted on 12/15/2008 10:07:38 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

23 skidoo!


8 posted on 12/15/2008 10:13:23 AM PST by fortunate sun (Tagline written in lemon juice.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Wow!!! She was black and had CORN ROWS in her hair! How neat!! /sarcasm

Yeah... LOL... so much for her being Greek. Dontcha love modern "science"?

* rolls eyes*

9 posted on 12/15/2008 10:13:59 AM PST by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

10 posted on 12/15/2008 10:18:09 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: yankeedame

Ode to Cleopatra

Roses are red
Violets are blue
You’ve got a nose
Like a B-52


11 posted on 12/15/2008 10:22:10 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: yankeedame


Cleopatra. Played By Lyndsey Marshal in HBO's "Rome".
12 posted on 12/15/2008 10:25:37 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: RetiredArmy

She’s been Obamafied.


13 posted on 12/15/2008 10:30:38 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: yankeedame
The look they put on her face insinuates that Mark Anthony was a real stud...
14 posted on 12/15/2008 10:33:03 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: yankeedame

This is a crock- Cleo was NOT- I repeat- NOT of mixed heritage. She was NOT black.
Cleo was a Ptolemy- a MEDITERANNEAN and the daughter (or granddaughter) of one of Alexander’s generals.

I cannot express my contempt enough for those who wish to remake historical figures in the form of some blighted “minority group”. Enough.


15 posted on 12/15/2008 10:38:32 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Dam you!!!


16 posted on 12/15/2008 10:46:57 AM PST by davetex ("We are Americans, we don't hide from history, we make history" John McCain 9/4/2008)
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To: 13Sisters76

There was about a 275 year interval between the accession of Alexander’s general Ptolemy to the Egyptian throne and Cleopatra’s heyday. There was some intermarriage with the locals in the interim so she wasn’t purely “Greek” or Macedonian. But no, she wasn’t black either, most likely.


17 posted on 12/15/2008 10:48:49 AM PST by Argus ("From my cold dead hand...")
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To: 13Sisters76
"This is a crock- Cleo was NOT- I repeat- NOT of mixed heritage. She was NOT black. Cleo was a Ptolemy..."

Not only that but the family of the Ptolemy dynasty inbreeded with one another which I think kinda kept the Greek blood in the family.
18 posted on 12/15/2008 10:51:21 AM PST by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: LiberConservative
She looks like a cartoon character.

Or like one of those chicks in the video fighting games.
19 posted on 12/15/2008 10:51:47 AM PST by aruanan
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To: yankeedame
"Happy people do not need to make art."
--------------------------------- Garrison Keillor
20 posted on 12/15/2008 10:52:48 AM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
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To: aruanan
"Or like one of those chicks in the video fighting games."

You have selected "Cleopatra the Destroyer!"
21 posted on 12/15/2008 10:53:30 AM PST by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: yankeedame

Maybe that’s when she sent back to Chasen’s restaurant in Hollywood for a shipment of their famous chili?(!)


22 posted on 12/15/2008 10:57:02 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: yankeedame; JRios1968

"You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that mummy out. That's a good-looking mummy!"

23 posted on 12/15/2008 10:57:41 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: RetiredArmy

Yes, she’s remarkably P.C..


24 posted on 12/15/2008 10:59:37 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Damn you Carpe Cerevisi!!!


25 posted on 12/15/2008 11:03:07 AM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: stevio

Yeah. What a surpise.

There was a reason why Winston Smith’s job was to rewrite history.


26 posted on 12/15/2008 11:03:23 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: martin_fierro
Looks more like Cleopatra Jones:


27 posted on 12/15/2008 11:04:54 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: yankeedame

Whats sad is she apparently liked it.


28 posted on 12/15/2008 11:05:09 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: stevio
Yes, she’s remarkably P.C..

Dark skin and corn rows? I call bulls*&^.

29 posted on 12/15/2008 11:08:45 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: yankeedame

A few years back, based on a image from ancient coins and writing from that era, it was determined Cleopatra was probably not that attractive. The conclusion was she obviously had other skill sets that made her appealling to men ... ;)


30 posted on 12/15/2008 11:10:19 AM PST by BluH2o
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31 posted on 12/15/2008 11:12:35 AM PST by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin is what Willis was talkin' about!)
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To: BluH2o
The conclusion was she obviously had other skill sets that made her appealling to men ...

Short, mute, no teeth, a flat head and her daddy had $$

32 posted on 12/15/2008 11:13:50 AM PST by JRios1968 (Sarah Palin is what Willis was talkin' about!)
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To: RetiredArmy
She was black and had CORN ROWS in her hair

What we call a "cornrow" is considered a "black" hairstyle today, and modern blacks claim to have invented it, but the style has been used by all sorts of civilizations for thousands of years. The ancient Greeks and Celts both used the style widely (there's plenty of ancient art showing women with "cornrows"), and it really didn't lose favor until the rise of Christianity and its requirements that women dress demurely.

There's nothing improper or incorrect about their use of the hairstyle here.
33 posted on 12/15/2008 11:16:46 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: RetiredArmy
Wow!!! She was black and had CORN ROWS in her hair! How neat!! /sarcasm

Yup...interesting, especially considering that she was Greek and not Egyptian.

34 posted on 12/15/2008 11:18:28 AM PST by meandog (Wasilla warrior in 2012!)
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To: RetiredArmy
Wow!!! She was black and had CORN ROWS in her hair! How neat!!

How true. My understanding of Egyptian nobility is they all shaved their heads and wore elaborate headdresses/wigs. A more accurate portrayal was provided in the HBO mini-series "Rome".

35 posted on 12/15/2008 11:20:15 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: RetiredArmy

Thank you for that comment, it was mine as well.


36 posted on 12/15/2008 11:20:57 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: RetiredArmy
I should also mention that Cleaopatra was also the first Ptolemy that apparently went native. It's recorded that she was the first (and last, as it happened) Ptolemy to learn the Egyptian language, she adopted the Egyptian religion, and believed herself to be a reincarnation of an Egyptian goddess.

She may have been a Ptolemy, but she was far from your traditional Greek ruler.
37 posted on 12/15/2008 11:23:04 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: yankeedame

Shazam!

38 posted on 12/15/2008 11:28:26 AM PST by Jeff F (austinaero; Phoenix11; WaterBoard)
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To: Argus
There was about a 275 year interval between the accession of Alexander’s general Ptolemy to the Egyptian throne and Cleopatra’s heyday. There was some intermarriage with the locals in the interim so she wasn’t purely “Greek” or Macedonian. But no, she wasn’t black either, most likely.

I don't know of any intermarriage with locals in the Ptolomy line. You have any references? While there might have been some intermarriage among the lower parts of the Macedonian ruling class, I don't think the royals would be doing it.

39 posted on 12/15/2008 11:29:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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“I don’t think the royals would be doing it.”

Outside of the harems and concubines of course.


40 posted on 12/15/2008 11:44:11 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Skooz
There was a reason why Winston Smith’s job was to rewrite history.

Let's ignore the busts and coins made of Cleopatra at the time of her reign - like:

The gay and black revisionists are, one by one, claiming all historic figures and to he*l with inconvenient historical facts.

41 posted on 12/15/2008 12:55:19 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: yankeedame; All
This is BS! That's no real depictions of the actual Cleopatra, its modern political correctness gone a muck!! Trying to make every ancient person into 'blacks or mixed' even historical people like Cleopatra who CLEARLY were not black nor mixed black, based upon nothing but their own heresay and "ethnic diversity" of modern ignorance. Do you guys want to see the actual ancient depiction of young Cleopatra that these clowns used to come up with this FAKE modern revisionism "black African Cleopatra"? It was this one:

And hair is styled in a very distinct youthful Greek style known as "melon", not black dreads....this hair fashion for young Greek girls & ladies was named "melon" because the hair was divided into a number of segments running like the ribs of a melon from the forehead to the back of the head:


Now tell me where on Gods Green Earth do they see ANY resemblance with the ancient depiction of young Cleopatra in the first picture I posted above as well as the ancient depiction of the older Cleopatra I post below in where she clearly has white European feature from her thin lips, melon fashion hair which was typical of young Greek girls back then, pointy chin, fat neck, hooked nose and droopy eyes which was an indication of her families constent inbreeding so they can preserve their European Ptolemaic bloodline, to make her look like a black African girl with black features and dreads is beyong logic itself.

They didn't even give her the famous 'Ptolemaic hooked nose' for Gods sake. Cleopatra came from a family, the Ptolemaic Dynasty, who were of Greek origins and INBRED with one another, this inbreeding not only suggests they preserved their Hellenic ethnicity and culture but their bloodline would have been preserved as well and since they came from a region in Greece where fair coloring is very common then Cleopatra as ancient depictions clearly show, was fair colored, not some 'mixed African black' girl. Take a look at her ancient busts and coins: they show a European light skinned woman and this bust from her time period still has traces of reddish gold that was her hair color, not some black African with dreads in her hair.

42 posted on 12/16/2008 6:24:25 PM PST by apro
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To: Argus
"There was about a 275 year interval between the accession of Alexander’s general Ptolemy to the Egyptian throne and Cleopatra’s heyday. There was some intermarriage with the locals in the interim so she wasn’t purely “Greek” or Macedonian. But no, she wasn’t black either, most likely."

Incorrect. The Ptolemaic Dynasty did not intermix with the native populations. The Ptolemies had a system in place where inbreeding between themselves was encouraged so they would not be challenged for their legitimacy to the Ptolemaic throne by other Ptolemies. So yes she was 'pure' Greek. Anyone who has actually studied this family and isn't coulded with modern political correctness gone amuck, like the morons who created this fake modern depiction of a black girl who clearly looks nothing like the real Cleopatra, would atest every single ancient depiction we have of this Dynasty including Cleopatra do not show persons of mixed origins BUT of light skinned European Caucasians. I posted a picture of the ancient bust of the young Cleopatra these bozos took and turned into some black African girl with dreads that looks NOTHING AT ALL like the original ancient bust...the original ancient bust of Cleopatra clearly shows a white European girl.

43 posted on 12/16/2008 6:35:27 PM PST by apro
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To: Arthalion
"I should also mention that Cleaopatra was also the first Ptolemy that apparently went native. It's recorded that she was the first (and last, as it happened) Ptolemy to learn the Egyptian language, she adopted the Egyptian religion, and believed herself to be a reincarnation of an Egyptian goddess. She may have been a Ptolemy, but she was far from your traditional Greek ruler."

Oh yes she was your traditional Greek ruler. She didn't only learn Egyptian, she learned to speak ten other languages for political reasons nothing more, but her first and native language was Greek. She dressed in Greek style not Egyptian, there are even Roman writings complaining about how she made Marc Antony into a 'barbarian' by having him wear GREEK style clothing. Egyptian style she wore only sometimes when she wanted to entertain foreign embassies. In reality she never dressed as an Egyptian, another modern misconception of this Queen, having her decked out in Egyptian clothes, she never wore Egyptian style outfits Taylor was seen wearing, her regular fashion was Greek. And Egyptian religion was already infused with Greek religion long before her time in Hellenistic Egypt, but still the Greek rulers including Cleopatra practiced more Greek religion then Egyptian.

44 posted on 12/16/2008 6:44:16 PM PST by apro
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To: PapaBear3625
"I don't know of any intermarriage with locals in the Ptolomy line. You have any references? While there might have been some intermarriage among the lower parts of the Macedonian ruling class, I don't think the royals would be doing it."

There weren't any intermarriage with locals. The members of this Dynasty family practiced inbreeding so as to not be challenged by other royal family members for their legitimacy over the Ptolemaic throne. One of the rules established by the founder of this Dynasty was that heirs to the throne must be of pure royal Hellenic bloodline, i.e the Hellenic Dynasty families who ruled the Greek world after ATGs death, and of ruling Queens, heck we have Ptolemies who were of nothing but of Ptolemaic origins challenge each other for the throne because ones mother was a Ptolemaic Princess and not a ruling Queen. The Ptolemies were nuts when it came to preserving their royal bloodline because it was their ticket to ruling the Dynasty, so no Nubian or Native Egyptian concubines mixed child would have ever been chosen as heir to this throne.

45 posted on 12/16/2008 6:53:03 PM PST by apro
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To: apro

I stand corrected. I had thought that one of the Berenices in the line was of Egyptian/African origin but it appears they were all originally from Thrace.

I never bought into the Black Athena thing anyway.


46 posted on 12/17/2008 11:25:18 AM PST by Argus ("From my cold dead hand...")
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