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Predecessor of Cows, The Aurochs, Were Still Living In The Netherlands Around AD 600
ScienceDaily ^ | Monday, December 15, 2008 | University of Groningen

Posted on 12/21/2008 10:02:49 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Archaeological researchers at the University of Groningen have discovered that the aurochs, the predecessor of our present-day cow, lived in the Netherlands for longer than originally assumed. Remains of bones recently retrieved from a horn core found in Holwerd (Friesland, Netherlands), show that the aurochs became extinct in around AD 600 and not in the fourth century. The last aurochs died in Poland in 1627... The aurochs was much larger than the common cows we know today, with aurochs bulls measuring between 160 and 180 cm at the withers, and aurochs cows between 140 and 150 cm. The cattle bred on the Frisian mounds around AD 600 measured between 90 and 120 cm and their horn cores were 25 cm long at the most. Hunters and the first Dutch farmers hunted the aurochs. The species eventually became extinct in the Netherlands, not only because it was hunted, but also because more and more land was being used for agriculture and the human population was increasing. Aurochs bones dating back to Roman times have previously been found at various sites in the Dutch river regions. They have also been unearthed in the terps and mounds of Friesland and Groningen. An almost complete skeleton of an aurochs was found in a terp in Britsum (Friesland), 15 km from Holwerd. It dates back to between AD 257 and 421. It was long thought that this was the most recent evidence of the aurochs that would be found, and that the aurochs had therefore become extinct in the Netherlands sometime in the fourth century AD. However, the horn core from Holwerd shows that the aurochs must have been grazing the Frisian meadows for at least another 150 to 250 years.

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Obama actually claimed to support withdrawal from Auroch (no bull!), but when he *doesn't* do it as President, the left will have a cow.
1 posted on 12/21/2008 10:02:50 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/617325/posts — The last progenitor of the modern North American cow was an auroch that died in the forests of Poland in 1627. Aurochs stood nearly two metres tall and had a wide sweep of horns not unlike long-horned Texas cattle, but were unproductive when it came to milk. It is estimated that they produced something like 500 litres a year.

Neanderthals At Mealtime: Pass The Meat
Discovery News | 4-23-2008 | Jennifer Viegas
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“Given a choice, bison and aurochs would have been more difficult for a hyena to hunt compared to a reindeer, but apparently this was not true for Neanderthals.”

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2 posted on 12/21/2008 10:03:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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3 posted on 12/21/2008 10:03:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

“I am thinking of aurochs and angels...” — last line in Lolita.


4 posted on 12/21/2008 10:08:11 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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5 posted on 12/21/2008 10:15:51 AM PST by stormer
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To: SunkenCiv
No thread about old cows is complete without.....:


6 posted on 12/21/2008 10:17:57 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: SunkenCiv

“WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR LIFE??!”

“I want auroch.”


7 posted on 12/21/2008 10:23:01 AM PST by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87..."How's it feel to be an a**hole, Neidermeyer?")
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To: SunkenCiv
Through selective breeding (in reverse), the auroch lives:
8 posted on 12/21/2008 10:23:57 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bring back the Bison...and these too...

9 posted on 12/21/2008 10:28:11 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Doesn’t look likw a “predecessor” to me. Looks like a plain ol’ big bull. A cross between a Longhorn and a Black Angus or something?


10 posted on 12/21/2008 10:28:53 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag

I think it is a Heck Auruch, a german attempt circa Hitler. (Getting back to things old “German,” and all that.)

But, I’ve seen modern Aurochs that are the same size and even have the stripes down the back for males and red for females (as lives on in Jereseys).

Opinions differ, but domestic cattle as we know them are probably 3/4 middle eastern domestic 1/4 European auroch.

The current-day African cattle remain very similiar in pigment & horns to the European auruch(albeit thinner and attempted to drought/heat vs. cold).

The modern re-creation took African, Jersey, and Angus until they got back to auruchs.

Mean and big. I see why we killed them off.


11 posted on 12/21/2008 10:34:03 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Aurochs is good eatin'.

12 posted on 12/21/2008 10:38:38 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for this, learned a great new word and some forgotten history - “terp.”


13 posted on 12/21/2008 10:46:48 AM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: SunkenCiv

14 posted on 12/21/2008 10:48:49 AM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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To: SunkenCiv

15 posted on 12/21/2008 10:48:49 AM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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To: TruthWillWin

So that’s what an Auroch looks like. No damned wonder they went extinct.


16 posted on 12/21/2008 10:51:11 AM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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To: MeanWestTexan

hummmm I wonder if he would buck?


17 posted on 12/21/2008 10:53:27 AM PST by Ditter
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To: TruthWillWin
That old cow is older than anyone dared imagine...


18 posted on 12/21/2008 10:54:00 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: RichInOC

;’)


19 posted on 12/21/2008 11:05:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

20 posted on 12/21/2008 11:06:23 AM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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To: TruthWillWin

Wow, that’s just mean. ;’)


21 posted on 12/21/2008 11:06:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

22 posted on 12/21/2008 11:08:18 AM PST by JoeProBono ( Loose Associations - Postcards from My Mind)
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Oh sure, big response for the Euro-centric Auroch, but when it's bison...
23 posted on 12/21/2008 11:11:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Remains of bones recently retrieved from a horn core found in Holwerd (Friesland, Netherlands), show that the aurochs became extinct in around AD 600 and not in the fourth century. The last aurochs died in Poland in 1627...
So the last auroch died a thousand years after they went extinct.

Who writes this garbage?

Captain Kangaroo?

24 posted on 12/21/2008 11:14:40 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SunkenCiv



Y'all shouldn't have eaten them. They'd still be there.
25 posted on 12/21/2008 11:16:04 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: Islander7

We’re eatin’ ‘em right now. These days they’re called cattle. :’)


26 posted on 12/21/2008 11:17:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: samtheman

Hey, be nice to the good Captain. Use Baghdad Bob instead.

Aurochs went extinct in the Netherlands at least as late as the 7th century, and went extinct altogether in the 17th.


27 posted on 12/21/2008 11:19:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m an avid animal lover.

I love them fried, grilled, broiled, smoked and well seasoned.


28 posted on 12/21/2008 11:21:02 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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oxen aurochs
Google

29 posted on 12/21/2008 11:21:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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Horrocks

30 posted on 12/21/2008 11:22:31 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Islander7

Great, now I’m hungry...

;’)

I think they went extinct because of the burgermeisters.


31 posted on 12/21/2008 11:23:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Order from here:

America's Original Red Meat


32 posted on 12/21/2008 11:31:52 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Write to us at:
High Plains Bison
1395 S. Platte River Dr.
Denver, CO 80223
33 posted on 12/21/2008 11:35:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: RichInOC; SunkenCiv

I want auroch!

LOL. Good one.


34 posted on 12/21/2008 11:39:48 AM PST by wildbill
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To: SunkenCiv
Fine. Be that way.


35 posted on 12/21/2008 11:53:53 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Those were Daedelus’ last words to Icarus.


36 posted on 12/21/2008 12:08:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I had always thought that the Bantang of Southeast Asia was about the some thing as an Auroch. Not so says the article although a common ancestor in India is likely. Domesticated Bantang has tough meat though. A nice Angus steak for me, if you will.

37 posted on 12/21/2008 12:09:25 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

:’) No need for me to mailorder it:

http://www.sprikfarms.com/aboutbuffalo.html


38 posted on 12/21/2008 12:12:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: JimSEA

Thanks!


39 posted on 12/21/2008 12:13:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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"Obama actually claimed to support withdrawal from Auroch (no bull!), but when he *doesn't* do it as President, the left will have a cow."

LOL! That was bad! REAL BAD! Uh, keep up the good(?)work.
40 posted on 12/21/2008 12:21:30 PM PST by KamperKen
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I just wanted to make sure everyone had herd that news. The lasso thing I’d want is for anyone to miss it.


41 posted on 12/21/2008 12:25:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: JimSEA

Aurochs is singular.


42 posted on 12/21/2008 12:34:48 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: SunkenCiv
"I just wanted to make sure everyone had herd that news. The lasso thing I’d want is for anyone to miss it."

It seems I've created, or rather, encouraged, a 'monster'. :)
43 posted on 12/21/2008 12:55:14 PM PST by KamperKen
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To: KamperKen

I prefer “rustler”.


44 posted on 12/21/2008 2:03:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Do we really say that a species went extinct in a certain place as small as the Netherlands when they’re still alive in other places not that far away?

I can understand saying that a species went extinct in the Old World, even though they were still surviving in the New, for example, or to say that they went extinct in South America even though some continued to exist in Australia... but to say they went “extinct” in the Netherlands when they still lived elsewhere in Europe... seems to me that’s using the word “extinct” pretty loosely.

When my cat dies, do we say cats have “gone extinct in my home”?

The word “extinct” means “no longer existing” and really, in my opinion, shouldn’t be used if there are any surviving members anywhere. True? Not true? If I’m wrong, I’m willing to learn the error of my ways. But as BOR says, “tell me where I’m wrong”.


45 posted on 12/21/2008 2:07:02 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Kinda harsh about your cat. ;’) I take your point, but didn’t write the article either. :’)


46 posted on 12/21/2008 2:26:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I know. I’m not arguing with you. I’m just sort of ranting on this subject. You were kind enough to make clear what the author was too inept to do. And I thanks you for that. Ignore my rant. I’ll get over it. :)


47 posted on 12/21/2008 2:30:09 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

The author probably should have made it clear that the range of the auroch got reduced over those centuries, or that, at the very least, little evidence remains. I think one reason for that (besides the rarity of finding leftover parts of dead critters from long ago, except in the case of large death assemblages) in the case of the auroch, is that it was basically a kept animal for lots of generation, and during its last 1500-2000 years in Europe, probably wasn’t just wandering around wild, or at least, not for long. :’)


48 posted on 12/21/2008 2:40:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
To paraphrase Jules, "That bull has one g-------- m----f----- personality." A toreador would come up to, what? Eyeball level?

No wonder we killed them off.

49 posted on 12/21/2008 2:46:57 PM PST by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: TruthWillWin
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50 posted on 12/21/2008 3:00:06 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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