Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/26/2008 7:41:10 AM PST by DManA
Ice has formed on Lake Superior off the Twin Ports and near Bayfield, among other places. It is the first time in years that ice has formed on the lake this early in the winter season.
The western tip of Lake Superior has frozen over in December for the first time in recent memory, and that could mean a long season of ice angling that hasn’t been seen in years. . . . Francisco said in the rare years recently when Lake Superior has partially frozen, it’s usually in February or early March, after months of cold weather. Anglers and ice skaters had a few weeks of good ice in February 2007, for example, before temperatures rose and the ice blew out. . . . Not only is December ice rare on Superior, but thick ice has become the exception during any winter month.
. . . December’s average temperature at the Duluth office of the National Weather Service has been an unusually cold9.3 degrees below normal, with a dozen nights below zero and one as cold as22 below.
Oh noz!
It indicates that those who know for sure are just as wrong as those who were wrong previously until they were proven correct.
But! it isn’t the first time...
Must be due to global warming.
Where are the greenhouse gasses when you need them?
Try to keep up PC. Now it’s “ global climatic disruption”.
I hear the carriers are putting up early this year. Slowing demand for ore.
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I’ve been doing my part by running my dirty two cycle snow blower every day.
What happened, did algorejr exhale some CO2 on it.
And this morning in Kansas City, it’s about 50 degrees (after the deep-freeze we had last week).
Climate is what you expect... Weather is what you get!
The government telling us several weeks ago that 2008 was the 9th warmest on record.
Either affirmative action is at work here or their bias is showing.
Shows what you know about Science. Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory (AGWT) is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it. Rain, snow, drought, warm weather or cool, all events confirm global warming, “with probability one.”
I predict that at some point CN will scrap all but the 1000 footers and move most of the ore by rail. They own nearly all the pieces of railroad to do it. The big comittment would be for ore cars, which have to be specially built because of the weight of the ore.
[Shows what you know about Science. Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory (AGWT) is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it. Rain, snow, drought, warm weather or cool, all events confirm global warming, “with probability one.” ]
Global Warming for certain periods has probability one, but Anthropogenic Global Warming has quite a bit of uncertainty and is in any event not the same as saying “all Global temperature changes are caused by humans”. The driving potential of the solar cycle is just now being separated from the anthropogenic effects and may well be the predominant factor.
It's now being called global climate change. That way they can sell those carbon credits if the temperatures go up or down.
A “theory” which is not falsifiable by observation is an ideology, not science. Karl Popper famously remarked that pyschoanalysis was an ideology not a scientific theory in that there is no observation that can refute any of its hypotheses.
Global Warming is kinda like that, rain, snow, drought, warm weather or cool, all events confirm global warming, “with probability one.”
I’ve had five feet of snow since Dec. 1st where I live in Michigan. Clearly, not normal. Oh, and most of it will disappear with heavy rain and Thunderstorms tonight and tomorrow. Only in Michigan...
Oh no, this is absolute proof that colder means warmer!
But colder temperatures could make naked short selling of carbon credits less comfortable.
The 1000 footer yes but how can it be economic to maintain 800 miles of track when the lake is free?
Seems they are able to supply the demand in 10 months.
How many trains does it take to ship one 1000 footer’s worth?
(I don’t know, but I wonder).
I guess that means not as much lake effect snow for Indianhead this year.
I think you might have it bass ackwards. All of us weather scientist dudes know that warmer means colder.
If the direct reduction process proves economical they might just end up shipping pure iron and reduce the tonnage by half.
Well, you see we had said in 1998 that temps would rise non-stop, we’d reached the tipping point. Oh, they haven’t? They’ve fallen? I got it, the MELTING of the poles has actually driven DOWN temps so that it’s MASKING the real warming that’s going on! See, once the ice is all melted then it will be EVEN HOTTER! So cold and ice are actually OUT OF CONTROL WARMING!
If this Global Warming doesn’t stop soon we’re all going to Freeze to Death.
Pray for America and Our Troops
True. Most of the lake is still open though.
I stand corrected. LOL
There was a thread the other day where it was said that the melting ice IS using up all the heat, that’s why it’s colder!
Now that’s funny! Freezing is evidence of warming!
I hadn’t realized they were that craven.
See http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/
(Thats's a nascom not nascar)
The colder it gets, the more freaked out they become. They are losing their “proof’ so have to come up with something else.
Total idiocy.
This global warming thing is getting old... or should that be cold?
That’s why Hussein needs to ‘hit the ground running’ on GW, since colder weather is a direct his on it. They aren’t stupid, they know that we’re in for a cold spell.
It’s like Federal Motors selling Volts as gasoline goes to $1/gllon. A better bailout for GM et al would’ve been gas stamps to bridge the Fed induced lunacy of commodity price hikes.
Gore’s speechifying has stopped global warming.
He deserves another Nobel Prize.
I must say to Al, “I’m impressed!”
“You’ve completed each goal of your quest.
Temp records aren’t fooling,
They show the earth’s cooling.
Go back to your farm. Get a rest.”
Wow! Great site.
Is there aset of steps that represent us grinding into an Ice Age. I had read a 0.5 degree annual drop over 10 years, and we’ve done that in 2007 and 2008.
He took the day off...
It’s almost like half the time it’s warmer than average and the other half it’s colder.
“More proof of absolutely nothing.”
Technically corrrect. But the battle over Global Warming is partly science and partly PR.
The AGW folks have had great PR success with pictures of polar bears on icebergs (”The Last of the Polar Bears”) and reporting everytime Bambi breaks a sweat. No scientific merit at all. But great PR value.
For the AGW folks, the science is at best inconclusive. But they are desperately pushing for government and international treaties that will be almost impossible to undo if, as I expect, they turn out to be wrong. IMHO, their goal is socialism and GW is the horse they intend to ride there, regardless of scientific merit. So it is critical to them that they get there before the science is resolved. Hence, the use of terms like “deniers” and a shameless use of the grant process to silence debate.
They know the war they are fighting is political and scientific. If we constrain ourselves to a fight about science, we will have global governance, a UN with a permanent source of funding and will have transferred trillions of dollars
It is equally critical to lovers of freedom that we prevent irreversible actions by the government until we know whether the AGW folks can empirically validate their hypothesis on real data not known when the models were parameterized on, not just the backfit performance of parameterized computer models. That will probably take decades.
Stories like this help in the later regard. People make decisions all the time based on anecdotal evidence. Plus, ridicule is a powerful tool. Use it. It may be the only way to stave off the socialists until the science is in.
Sounds like a good idea!
think I’ll go find a BBQ or something.
ROFLMAO and I doubt if they would get that.
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