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Is Horrible 'Valkyrie' Tom Cruise's Nazi Apologia?
foxnews.com ^ | December 26, 2008 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 12/26/2008 4:27:13 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Say what you will about Tom Cruise’s acting in other movies; in "Valkyrie," which opened yesterday, he is awful. Amid British and European actors, Cruise stands out like a sore thumb. He doesn’t even attempt a German accent, his mannerisms are all from his "Jerry Maguire" era, and his earnestness suggests at best some kind of fictional American soldier trying to infiltrate the Luftwaffe. You knew it would be bad, and it is.

I’m more concerned that “Valkyrie” could represent a new trend in filmmaking: Nazi apologia. We know already what Valkyrie is about: a group of German soldiers who tried to assassinate Hitler in 1944 and failed. Cruise plays Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg—referred to in this film constantly as “Stauffenberg”—as if to make him sound less German or something.

On top of that, there is the matter of the uniforms and the set design. Suddenly, we have German officers in World War II who are not wearing arm bands. Their swastikas are now small tokens on chests of medals. They look more like airline pilots than Nazi soldiers. When they meet, it looks like they’re at a lovely retreat in the Adirondacks. Director Bryan Singer is so sparing with his Nazi flags, swastikas, etc that you’d think the Nazis hardly existed. What’s everyone so upset about anyway?

Because in “Valkyrie” Singer opens the door to a dangerous new thought: that the Holocaust and all the other atrocities could be of secondary important to the cause of German patriotism.

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1 posted on 12/26/2008 4:27:13 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

whatever, the movie is a dud. And Cruise cannot act his way out of a wet paper bag.


2 posted on 12/26/2008 4:30:36 PM PST by omega4179 (Ramos and Compean)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bump...and will be back to survey more viewer comments!!!!!


3 posted on 12/26/2008 4:32:30 PM PST by VOA
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To: Free ThinkerNY
On top of that, there is the matter of the uniforms and the set design. Suddenly, we have German officers in World War II who are not wearing arm bands. Their swastikas are now small tokens on chests of medals.

Roger Friedman is a certifiable idiot. The reality is that the German Army uniforms never had "Swastika Armbands" and the SS during wartime wore fieldgrey uniforms without armbands as well. It's called accuracy Roger! He seems to be caught in the 1950's Hollywood portrayal of all-black SS Gestapo men with Lugers and trench coats... oh for goodness sake get a history book!

Apart from that, the July 1944 plotters were largely opportunists who supported Hitler until the war was obviously lost.

4 posted on 12/26/2008 4:33:20 PM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bump...for publicity


5 posted on 12/26/2008 4:34:02 PM PST by VOA
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To: SolidWood

I saw the film yesterday and I really liked it. I also thought that Tom Cruise was great. It looks like I’m a minority of one here.


6 posted on 12/26/2008 4:34:46 PM PST by Erskine Childers
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To: VOA

There was a t.v. movie about this same topic a few years ago. I thought it was good and that the men involved deserved to be remembered for being Germans who tried to “stop” Hitler. Hollywood fantasies are actually probably mostly dangerous due to PC.


7 posted on 12/26/2008 4:36:05 PM PST by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The author’s really off the deep end on this one.


8 posted on 12/26/2008 4:38:18 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m planning on checking out the movie before I make a judgment. Probably will rent it when it hits DVD.


9 posted on 12/26/2008 4:38:46 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Haven’t seen the movie, and don’t plan to.

Mr. Friedman seems to think any movie that doesn’t portray all Germans as the ultimate in evil, to the point where if Stauffenberg’s group had succeeded it wouldn’t have made any real difference, looks to me like a pretty good example of ethnic bias. Once the Nazis had come to power, those who opposed them would accomplish nothing but getting themselves and their families killed. The only hope was to kill Hitler, freeing the more honorable Germans soldiers from their personal oath of fealty.

A more legitimate criticism not pursued by Friedman is that Stauffenberg’s group didn’t begin its plotting until it became obvious Hitler was losing the war. They weren’t against Nazism as much as they were against Germany being destroyed.

There were “good Germans” who opposed Hitler on ideological grounds, but these guys weren’t among them.


10 posted on 12/26/2008 4:41:35 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: SolidWood
the July 1944 plotters were largely opportunists who supported Hitler until the war was obviously lost.

Exactly, most wanted surrender terms more favorable to Germany. They were mostly horrified at the prospect of losing and fearful of an increasingly erratic and insane leader.

11 posted on 12/26/2008 4:43:49 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Where’s the suspense? I bet Tom’s character doesn’t survive the movie. On the other hand, I suppose many moviegoers do not know how this affair ended up in real life.


12 posted on 12/26/2008 4:44:37 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Sherman Logan

What is it they say about success having many fathers but failure being an orphan?


13 posted on 12/26/2008 4:44:51 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Was talking with some people yesterday who had never even heard of this rather famous plot to kill Hitler.

Amazing.


14 posted on 12/26/2008 4:48:59 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Twinkie


I thought it was good and that the men involved deserved to be remembered
for being Germans who tried to “stop” Hitler.

Agreed.
And The White Rose participants deserve a decent presenatation that
translates to American/English (Anglosphere) audiences.
If The History Channel has talked about them...I’ve missed it.
(Which is possible as I’m not omnipresent...LOL!!!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose


15 posted on 12/26/2008 4:49:05 PM PST by VOA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s fine to hate Tom Cruise or Scientology, or whatever it is that Friedman really dislikes here, but it’s a sham to pretend that this was a disinterested review. Friedman was slagging Cruise’s performance before the movie was even released.

Coupling this with his neurosis about Mel Gibson’s projects, I think it’s safe to say that Friedman writes his reviews mostly with an eye to advancing his personal interests, and only secondarily to actually considering the movie on its own merits.

He’s becoming an increasing embarassment to Fox.


16 posted on 12/26/2008 4:49:18 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

poorly executed?


17 posted on 12/26/2008 4:49:57 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

For those lukewarm/unhappy about “Valkyrie”...
Might I suggest an “anti-Hitler” alternative that appealed to
me (well, at least personally).

Bonhoeffer: Agent of Grace
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0250264/

I liked this production.
Bohhoeffer isn’t shown to be a saint; even some misgivings are opening
mentioned about his love for a very young lady.

But the film is fairly honest about Bonhoeffer and his up-sides
and his down-sides.

Definitely something a lot of people to see in considering what
they will do/not do when confronted by an adverse movement like
Nazism/Facism/Communism/Authentic Islam.


18 posted on 12/26/2008 4:55:06 PM PST by VOA
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To: SolidWood
Roger Friedman is a certifiable idiot. The reality is that the German Army uniforms never had "Swastika Armbands" and the SS during wartime wore fieldgrey uniforms without armbands as well.

This photo from July 1944 seems to confirm that

Oh, and that tall (really tall) chap on the far left - that's the character played by Tom Cruise.

19 posted on 12/26/2008 4:56:46 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Kill the English their concept of individual rights might undermine the power of our beloved tyrants)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“Valkyrie” is frustratingly stupid in this regard. Hitler is not frightening anymore.

Not a good way to make a movie about Nazis.
20 posted on 12/26/2008 4:56:55 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The plotters tried to save Germany from conquest and occupation (especially by the Red Army). They were naive, didn't know that anything short of "unconditional surrender" was already off the table as far as the Allies were concerned. They took their chances and paid a severe price. (The ones who were captured got to strangle slowly on piano wire hung from meat hooks, as I recall.)

I don't know if they were ideologically correct or as anti-Nazi as we keyboard warriors would prefer, but they were brave men who tried to overthrow a tyrant who had lost all compassion for the people who had trusted him with ultimate power.

21 posted on 12/26/2008 5:00:43 PM PST by joe.fralick
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To: Free ThinkerNY
He doesn’t even attempt a German accent, his mannerisms are all from his "Jerry Maguire" era, and his earnestness suggests at best some kind of fictional American soldier trying to infiltrate the Luftwaffe. You knew it would be bad...

Ditto.
22 posted on 12/26/2008 5:13:22 PM PST by Vision ("Test everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
You'd have to be nuts to make a commercial movie where the good guys are trying to kill Hitler, but fail and then go along with the Holocaust, experiments, war, etc.
23 posted on 12/26/2008 5:16:44 PM PST by Vision ("Test everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21)
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To: Sherman Logan
The aristocrats in the German army merely got sick of a commoner (and a corporal at that) running an incompetent war. It was that simple.

Cruise as Stauffenberg is just plain laughable.

24 posted on 12/26/2008 5:17:59 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It was a good show. My son and I saw it this afternoon. It laid out the facts, had some Hollywood, I suppose, and even though you know the ending you hope it turns out differently. It's a bummer when the conspiracy falls apart. It shows people in positions of power who fail to live up to their parts in the plan and others pay for it. Tom Cruise played his part well and though I don't know all the facts of the plan it still would be a good history lesson. One part I found difficult to believe was the openness of the conspirators. They talked about the plan or made mention of their dislike for Hitler in places I wouldn't have expected them to do so. Maybe it's just a reaction to how Hollywood generally portrays a conspiracy such as in All The President's Men. Otherwise, it was a good show and TC at least ought to be lauded for bringing the story to the screen.
25 posted on 12/26/2008 5:26:41 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Grace = unmerited favor; Mercy = punishment withheld)
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To: Vision

You’re confusing the Stauffenberg attentat with Ludwig Beck’s aborted coup attempt just before the Munich Conference in 1938. When Stauffenberg attempted to assassinate Hitler in July 1944, the Holocaust was already underway, and the Reich was crumbling.


26 posted on 12/26/2008 5:28:04 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Let’s get the bottom line straight here.

Roger Friedman is a big, fat, too unattractive to pick up boys at bars ugly, queer gas bag. (This guys loves all things Rosie.)

Friedman hates Cruise because Cruise is a Scientologist. Scientology views homosexual activity as being ‘aberrative’ behavior and seeks to correct people from continuing destructive personality traits like trolling for dudes in truck stops.

Friedman has frequently used the ‘Cruise is gay’ rumor as justification for attacking Cruise for being a self-loathing gay man. Of course, there appears to be absolutely nothing gay about Cruise (other than the fact that he wears make-up and dresses up like other people for a living).

Friedman is a troll. He is fighting the culture war from the wrong side. And he wants to take down anybody he doesn’t think is on his side.

With all that being said, this latest Cruise movie is just a movie. It succeeds, it fails, so what?? It doesn’t have any larger political, social or societal meaning. The German got their own sordid past to sort out and frankly they bore me.


27 posted on 12/26/2008 5:39:14 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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To: SolidWood
And there is this.

"Their swastikas are now small tokens on chests of medals. They look more like airline pilots than Nazi soldiers."

Of course he is referring to the Wehrmacht eagle on the right breast of the tunic. (This included a small swastika.) But it is clear that he is crazy with rage that the filmmaker actually used historical markings and not the ones Freidmann wanted.

And I must also comment on Freidmann's last few sentences.

"But frankly, when the violins come out at the end of the film, and Singer flashes their written fates on the screen, I felt nothing for them and anger for him. The idea that you’re supposed to feel anything but revulsion for all these people is astonishing to me."

He will be happy to know that his feelings towards the conspirators were shared by most of the German Army, almost all of the SS and most of the Nazi party.

28 posted on 12/26/2008 5:45:46 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Erskine Childers

Mu husband and I saw it tonight and we both agree with you. I was pleasantly surprised by Tom Cruise’s performance, I personally think he is over-rated as an actor and spends most of his movies smiling his way through them. Not this one though!


29 posted on 12/26/2008 5:56:17 PM PST by MissEdie
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I’ve never seen a Tom Cruise movie all the way through; the bits I have seen, he’s been too annoying for me to watch for very long. Whiny voice, blank, vacant eyes. “Valkyrie” sounds like a good idea, but not with Cruise in it.

I’ll wait for Viggo in “Good”.


30 posted on 12/26/2008 6:01:37 PM PST by Radagast the Fool
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I suppose this dolt thinks “The Longest Day” sucked because it didn’t bring up the Holocaust.

History should be spared spin even if for a good cause—being accurate is enough AND hard enough to come by as it is.


31 posted on 12/26/2008 6:04:14 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Want a really corrupt federal government? Mix White Sox with Redskins.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I see from the ads that he is still whispering is lines. That is so annoying.


32 posted on 12/26/2008 6:04:15 PM PST by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Schindler’s List," "Shoah," "The Last Days," and countless other works that brought the truth of the Holocaust into focus at last on film.

Barbra Streisand! Historical truth from Hollywood? Who knew?

33 posted on 12/26/2008 6:06:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Many come here to merely strike poses, posture and feel superior to others.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
My wife and saw the Valkyrie tonite, we both liked it, and thought it was fairly action packed and historically entertaining.

Is it the greatest film ever made? NO.

Is Tom Cruise acting in Valkyrie the most authentic portrayal of a German Officer? No.

Would I recomend it? Yes at matinee prices.

34 posted on 12/26/2008 6:06:37 PM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I actually think the best treatment of the assassination attempt on Hitler, was actually portrayed in the made-for-TV series, “War and Remembrance.”


35 posted on 12/26/2008 6:08:10 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Falconspeed
“Valkyrie” is frustratingly stupid in this regard. Hitler is not frightening anymore.

They might as well have cast Dick Shawn as Hitler...oh wait, that's already been done. (plus he's dead, but that's a minor detail)

36 posted on 12/26/2008 6:09:29 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Erskine Childers
>"I saw the film yesterday and I really liked it."

My friend ( a war history geek) liked it also. His 10 yr old son didn't get up to go, because he didn't want to miss any.

I'll wait for the DVD.

37 posted on 12/26/2008 6:15:00 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (2nd assistant bookeeper)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Roger doesn’t even get how ridiculous the accent situation in the movie is. Cruise speaks with an American accent which is perfectly all right for an American movie. Trouble starts when other actors playing Germans speak with a British accent, and another actor, who is German, speaks with... a German accent. Ridiculous Hollywood trash, and conservatives donate money to it?!


38 posted on 12/26/2008 6:19:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Many come here to merely strike poses, posture and feel superior to others.)
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To: omega4179
the movie is a dud.

That's too bad. There have been a couple of shows on the History and Military channels about this incident and they are quite riveting. I'm sure an excellent movie might have been made, but why Tom Cruise was chosen for the lead, I do not know. Just looking at him in the commercials tells me I'm better off watching Nazis on cable than going to see this flick.

39 posted on 12/26/2008 6:20:10 PM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Sounds like its not even worth buying as a DVD later on.

another Hollywood failure, what else can they screw up?


40 posted on 12/26/2008 6:22:25 PM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: MissEdie
Mu husband and I saw it tonight and we both agree with you. I was pleasantly surprised by Tom Cruise’s performance, I personally think he is over-rated as an actor and spends most of his movies smiling his way through them. Not this one though!

I actually like Tom Cruise as an actor. I thought he was terrific in flicks like Rainman and Jerry McGuire. His religion is a tad "out there" for my taste, but whatever.

I thought that the film is a real contribution to the education of our dumbed-down kids. My daughter actually whispered to me halfway through "he doesn't succeed, does he?"

Yikes.

So it's good to bring this up.

As to the reviewer's concerns about it being a "Nazi apologia" - that's just silly. The film is a pean to a group of very brave men who tried to kill Hitler. What's not to like?

Had they succeeded and managed to depose the SS, millions of lives would have been saved. Maybe Warsaw could have been spared, who knows?

41 posted on 12/26/2008 6:26:15 PM PST by Erskine Childers
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I was looking forward to seeing the movie ... until I saw that it was just another Tom Cruise vehicle.

Too bad.

Cruise wouldn’t make a pimple on von Stauffenberg’s ..... nevermind.


42 posted on 12/26/2008 6:30:26 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Yes, yes Roger. Referring to him as "Stauffenberg" really makes him seem less German than "von Stauffenberg." /s
43 posted on 12/26/2008 6:37:15 PM PST by constitutiongirl (We will not go quietly into the night...we will fight to save our Republic.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
For a good backup movie, rent " "Night of the Generals" with Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif, among others. Sharif is an intelligence officer going after O'Toole for murder when the assassination plot erupts right in the middle. Has a few surprises and Sharif pulls it off as a dedicated officer.
44 posted on 12/26/2008 6:39:13 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I enjoyed the movie and I am still stunned at how much Cruise looks like von Stauffenberg.


45 posted on 12/26/2008 6:41:57 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: joe.fralick

From what I’ve read on the subject they loved their country and, for a while, admired what Hitler was trying to accomplish, but sometime in the early 1940’s became disillusioned by him... Hitler didn’t truly “Nazzify” the military until after this attempted suicide, however.


46 posted on 12/26/2008 6:45:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: InvisibleChurch

What I keep thinking is something like this could never get so far in 2008, especially under someone as paranoid as Hitler. All our surveilance systems pretty much rule out something of the sort.


47 posted on 12/26/2008 6:48:27 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Radagast the Fool

Actually Cruise was the perfect choice given he is the spitting image of the character he was playing. So far the only negative comments I’ve read on this movie is from people who have not actually seen it yet... those who went to see it came away with a different attitude.


48 posted on 12/26/2008 6:51:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: dfwgator

That is one of my favorite mini-series, I still want to buy the DVD set.


49 posted on 12/26/2008 6:52:34 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Philo-Junius
You're right, but the article's point is valid. This movie humanizes Nazis.
50 posted on 12/26/2008 7:01:05 PM PST by Vision ("Test everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21)
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