Skip to comments.12ga Autoloader Shotguns: Any Recommendations?
Posted on 12/28/2008 6:14:14 PM PST by GusBreacher
I'm looking to buy a 12ga, autoloader/semi-auto 12ga, and I'm needing some sage advice.
I've read that the US Military has used these. Beyond that, I know zip about shotguns, except that I have my Grandpa's 10ga, single barrel, cracked stock, which hasn't been fired in 50+ years. (A gunsmith is going to work that piece long before I ever do. It's a "mantle-hanger", for now.)
Can anyone offer me some firsthand experience, or opinions on some units to try/buy?
Price? I'd like to stay under $1,000 if possible, including sight, case, cleaning kit, 500rnds.
Okay, make that 50 rounds. I’d rather have more shotgun than shells. Sorry.
The brands to look at are Benelli, Beretta and Remington.
Can you get a Benelli for under a grand?
Check this out:
Find a Japanese made Browning A-5. They’re no longer in production but there are plenty of these “humpbacks” still in circulation.
Well, this one won’t have any snob appeal, but I like my Saiga (Russian) semi-auto 12 gauge. The feature of five-round detachable magazines is mighty useful. Also cheap and very reliable.
Here is a link to winchester SX3 12 shots in 1.44 seconds. Amazing.
Benelli makes some very fine autoloaders, as do Beretta and Browning. It’s important to get one that fits you, and that feels good to you. I’ll put in a recommendation for the Benelli Montefeltro, which I own. Very reliable, not too heavy, points well, just an all around fine gun.
When the U.S. Marine Corps went shopping for a combat shotgun, they bought a Benelli. Thats because a combat shotgun has to function the first time, every time. The Benelli M4 does it for the U.S. military, and now can be the centerpiece of your own home defense plan.
Whats MSRP on that one.
Saiga-12....research it. Semi-auto, box magazine or 20-round drum fed. Check out the Tromix website or Saiga-12 com. It’s an AK -47 shot gun. Nothing better for home protection!
I understand the desire for a semi auto, but for practial application, a nice pump works just fine. You can get a decent one plus the extras for well under $300, and for less than a full scale military op, it will serve you just as well.
Bonus: That sound of loading a round is truly chilling to a perp. They will run away just from hearing it. Trust me on this, I’ve been there.
Kel tec RFB Carbine 308 bullpup
Mossberg 590A1 shotgun
Mossberg bullpup shotgun
and if you can find one :
Remington 300 Automatic Shotgun
I guess my question is that if you have bought and paid for a "full auto" license for a true auto fire weapon, would it allow the ownership of this type of shotgun as well?
In a non-tactical shotgun, the Berette A390 or A391 is VERY difficult to beat. It is a gas-operated gun, but the gas system is pud-easy to clean. There are four parts, and they’re all big. Price should be $700 or thereabouts new. 3 shot mag, one in the pipe is plenty for most hunting purposes. They’re utterly reliable.
Benelli recoil-operated shotguns impress me, especially their most recent models. No gas system means that you can mount a mag extension tube on them. These are going to set you back about $1100 new, so look around pawnshops and gun dealers for used ones.
Both of these Italian scatterguns can take 3” magnum rounds. You don’t need 3.5” mags any more with the newer heavy non-lead shot when hunting.
Browning gas-operated semi’s have lots of fiddly little springs and valving balls in their gas system. Don’t like them.
I have several friends with Charles Daly guns; these are simply no reliable and they need a lot of TLC and cleaning. Give these a miss.
The older Remington and Winchester semi-autos are OK, and rather inexpensive, but they require more cleaning and TLC than the Italian guns.
I have a Winchester 1300, 8 shot pump. Pretty sweet. I think I paid 350 for it.
“I guess my question is that if you have bought and paid for a “full auto” license for a true auto fire weapon, would it allow the ownership of this type of shotgun as well? “
Only if it was made before 1986.
Isn’t that aa-12 going to need a tax stamp etc? about 5-6mos of waiting time? and jan 20th is only weeks away. (shiver) I need to get something quickly, plus 500 rounds to feed it.
The a12 is a lot more compact then the aa12 is.
Another vote for the Saiga.
I jsut saw were, we the people can’t buy the aa-12 unless we have a class 3 dealers license.
I guess the guvment doesn’t trust we the people.
I think any of the ones made by the major manufacturers would be good.
I personally would not recommend the Benelli. I had an M1 Super 90 which was beautifully made and looked really wicked. The problem was it was the worst kicking shotgun I have ever fired, even worse than a lightweight single barrel. They are incredibly reliable tho.
For some reason that short recoil system seems to magnify recoil. The advantage is it is incredibly clean, since no gas is bled off to operate the action.
Dealers can buy them to sell to Law Enforcement only.
$1600 for a neutered 6 shot version-barf
Mossberg 930 SPX.
Saiga 12 is the most bang for the buck compared to the italian masterpieces.
Benelli is king of the automatic combat type shotguns. For a pump, I'd go with the tried and true, inexpensive Mossberg 500. I love'em.
You don't use sights on a shotgun. Nobody does. Using shotguns properly is a pure hand-eye deal like tennis or baseball: if you ever tried to watch any part of a tennis racquet or baseball bat while using it you'd never hit anything with it. With shotguns, you watch the target 100% and the gun zero percent.
Saiga AK-47 12 Gauge 19” BBL Semi Auto Carbine $595 new
I like my Winchester Model 1300 defender. It’s great.
Affordable, dependable, up to 3 inch shells if you want them.
Don’t get too fancy with your shotguns; they are such devastating weapons and have such a proven technology that the choice really is what type of action do you want.
Choose pump, and practice, IMHO.
What is the intended use of the gun?
The Benelli is the top of the heap right now. It benifits from improvements in materials and design over many of the other offerings available today.
But, even though the Benelli’s design is 100 years newer than the Browning A5, it is doubtful you could tell a difference in the operation and handling of the two guns.
Very few autoloader shotties have the speed-feed feature found on the A5. I am not sure the Benellis will do it, and that would be a deal breaker for me.
The way you worded that may get you a visit
Then what's the bead for?
Shooting fowl at a distance not blowing a bad guy up across you living room
Actually even shooting bad guys at close range requires you to actually point the shotgun right at the target not just in the general vicinity. While it is not necessary to aim to the degree of a rifle, you do look down the barrel, using that bead.
We have had a few Brownings and have loved them. 12 gauge Slug guns for deer hunting, one that shot 3 1/2 inch shells for Turkey and a 20 gauge upland. All have worked flawlessly with cheap and high quality shells.
With auto's, you have to find the ammo the the gun likes. I prefer to choose what I like!
12ga pumps eat what they are given, bird shot or buck, no complaints. If it short cycles, its operator malfunction!
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, take you pick.
I use the sights all the time with my shotgun but then again, I’m not using it like you do. I’m not shooting trap or skeet. I’m shooting targets in an IDPA manner with a ghost ring.
The next competitor complained I was taking too long to shoot my Mossberg 500 pump. I averaged about 11 seconds for twelve targets.
He missed. I didn’t.
I have to admit, I wish I had an autoloader. I can’t imagine how fast I could be without pumping the next round.
I live in a small condo
Moosberg 500 Tactical
good question and dot sights are coming on a bit in popularity for shotguns also. mine are all beads but I am going to try out a dot soon.
Five Hunnerd Dollars and a Pump Shotgun by Dennis Dezendorf
It's all a tale of living, of what a man can be. I'll pass it on from my life, so maybe you can see. There's very few things that can't get done With five hunnerd dollars and a pump shotgun.
It's been passed on to me, from father to the kid. Sometimes you have to stand tall, sometimes you best be hid. But a man can always stand tall, he never has to run With five hunnerd dollars and a pump shotgun.
There's times when life is fearful, there's times that aren't so good. When a man does what he has to, when he does just what he should. But he can keep his house warm, his place there in the sun With five hunnerd dollars and a pump shotgun.
One night the prisoners broke out, a few had rushed the gate. And Daddy heard that they were coming, heading down the interstate. But they didn't stop at our house, they continued on the run Cause Dad was on the front porch with a pump shotgun.
Sometimes my Dad worked overtime, sometimes from out of state My Momma didn't worry when the old man got in late She knew where Daddy kept them, could grab them on the run She had five hunnerd dollars and a pump shotgun.
It didn't matter what the trouble, didn't matter what the cause, If a kid got sick or the roof blew off, it didn't give her pause. If a wolf got in the chickens, just trying to have some fun, Mom would greet him warmly with a pump shotgun.
And when I started my house, with a baby on the way Dad came by one evening, said what he had to say "Remember all your lessons, and do what must be done. Here's five hunnerd dollars and a pump shotgun."
To my thinking you really don’t want to be shooting goose shells with any kind of a solid lockup gun.
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