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Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 for Home Defense?
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Posted on 12/29/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by gOOsefmalOOsef

Hello Fellow Freepers!

I am young and a bit naive when it comes to firearms but am interested in a good home defense shotgun. As I am well aware many of you have experience in this area I was wondering what recomendations you might have to Remington 870 express vs the Mossberg 500?


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1 posted on 12/29/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by gOOsefmalOOsef
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

870


2 posted on 12/29/2008 8:17:26 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Both are good choices......I am partial to the Remington, though.


3 posted on 12/29/2008 8:17:39 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Oh man have you started one now.
I have both and dont think you can really go wrong with either as far as RELIABILITY.

However just IMHO if you decide to use a pump for home defense, don’t shoot anything else like a autoloader or double barrel for any period of time. You want the bang-PUMP action to come automatically to you when crunch time comes.


4 posted on 12/29/2008 8:17:55 AM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Pictures, pictures, pictures


5 posted on 12/29/2008 8:18:41 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was not enough)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Check back later bump! ;-)


6 posted on 12/29/2008 8:18:59 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

The Rem 870 design has been used for decades by military and police. There are a ton of aftermarket items for it as well.

I vote(d) 870.


7 posted on 12/29/2008 8:19:10 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

That’s almost a theological question ....I have used Remington shotguns since the about 1960 and have never had a problem. In fact the first shotgun I bought for myself was a Remington 870, and I use it to this day.


8 posted on 12/29/2008 8:19:17 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Binelli NOVA.


9 posted on 12/29/2008 8:20:09 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: PreciousLiberty

FWIW, I once saw a shoot-out from Soldier of Fortune magazine....nearly every shooter chose the 870.


10 posted on 12/29/2008 8:20:30 AM PST by Loud Mime (Things were better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not....LM)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

I like the safety placement better on the 500.


11 posted on 12/29/2008 8:21:00 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

The 870 gives you 7 rounds, the Mossberg gives you 8.


12 posted on 12/29/2008 8:22:05 AM PST by PasorBob
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

I have an 870 full-choke pump and am very happy with it. Just the mechanical sound of the pump action is an attention getter for any intruder.


13 posted on 12/29/2008 8:22:16 AM PST by ScottinVA (All I needed to know about islam I learned on 9-11.)
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To: freedomlover

bump for later


14 posted on 12/29/2008 8:23:11 AM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

A buddy of mine has a recording of the sound of racking a pump shot gun hooked up to his door bell I love it


15 posted on 12/29/2008 8:23:53 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom Mr. Obama, are you aware that Sarah Palin took on her own party’s establishment in Alaska a)
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To: Loud Mime

I have an 870 myself - I love that shotgun.
I am planning to get a Ruger 9mm for home protection. I always thought you’d scare off the bad guys if they heard the shotgun being racked. CHP friend says, yeah, but if they’re armed, it also tells them where you are.


16 posted on 12/29/2008 8:24:01 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: tgusa
The Remington is a better made shotgun but both will last several lifetimes with reasonable care. I've never been a fan of Mossbergs but I know they work well enough.
I would suggest looking around for a Japanese made browning A-5. No longer in production but plenty are still around. Its heavier, but I like the elevated barrel (humpback) for aiming. I don't think the A-5 has been militarized as much as the 870 has tho.
17 posted on 12/29/2008 8:24:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: bmwcyle

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh04-e.htm

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_express_synthetic_7-round.asp


18 posted on 12/29/2008 8:24:08 AM PST by PasorBob
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To: PasorBob
The 870 gives you 7 rounds, the Mossberg gives you 8.

If you ever need more than 2-3 for home defense purposes, 7 versus 8 rounds won't make much difference. Besides, it's more weight further out that makes the weapon that much harder to handle.

19 posted on 12/29/2008 8:26:06 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef
In the finest FReeper tradition, I'll be the first to say "Get both"! 8^)

They're both fine weapons, but it comes down to personal ergonomics. Which one shoulders better for you? Do you like the Mossy's thumb safety on the tang or the Remmy's safety on the trigger guard? What mag capacity do you feel you need? etc., etc.

My decision was for a used 870 Wingmaster as a base followed by an 18" aftermarket barrel and a +2 magazine extension.

20 posted on 12/29/2008 8:26:17 AM PST by AngryJawa (SOCIALISM SUCKS)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Think twice before buying a Ruger 9mm. I shot mine a total of 2 times before it had to go into the shop bc the clip would not go in.

Personally, I would buy a CZ or a Kimber.


21 posted on 12/29/2008 8:26:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: PasorBob

I love guns and I own a few. But exactly what kind of marauding zombies does one need to expect at their door to make significant difference between 7 or 8 shots.

What exactly do you have in your home that is going to make these zombies attack you.

I know they go for brains and all....

(Really, I am kidding. Kind of....)


22 posted on 12/29/2008 8:26:45 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I forgot to mention that it is still in the shop! 2 months and counting.


23 posted on 12/29/2008 8:27:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: thefactor

H&K Benelli M1 Super90


24 posted on 12/29/2008 8:27:13 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

870.


25 posted on 12/29/2008 8:27:26 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef
I would say that they are probably both of equal reliability, but the Remington edges the Mossberg out a bit in long-term build quality. They will both be a bit stiff to operate for a little while. The Remington will be as smooth as glass after a few hundred shells, while the Mossberg may be as smooth, but will probably end up feeling a bit “looser”.

After 10,000 or more shells, the 870 will feel like an old friend, and will shoot like it's wired to your brain.

26 posted on 12/29/2008 8:28:48 AM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Interesting you should mention the Browning A-5 - I owned and used one for years but eventually sold it because it was just too heavy. I switched to a Remington 1200 in 20 ga for my bird gun.


27 posted on 12/29/2008 8:28:58 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Right Cal Gal
...it also tells them where you are.

The only sound the bad guys need to hear is "BOOM!".

28 posted on 12/29/2008 8:29:01 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Both.


29 posted on 12/29/2008 8:29:29 AM PST by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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To: freedomlover

“However just IMHO if you decide to use a pump for home defense, don’t shoot anything else like a autoloader or double barrel for any period of time. You want the bang-PUMP action to come automatically to you when crunch time comes.

I concur completely. When I was young I shot a pump a lot, but at times when things got exciting, as they always do when hunting things like doves or ducks, it was not uncommon to fire and then attempt to fire again without pumping a new load in. With ducks and doves that can be embarrassing, but in a life or death situation it could result in very bad consequences. I would be more inclined to recommend a double barrel as the first line of defense, backed up by a pump. Two shots at close range from a good load will buy plenty of time to pick up your backup.


30 posted on 12/29/2008 8:30:41 AM PST by billhilly
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To: PasorBob

Having actually been in a gun fight, I would opine if you are on round 8, you are going to die.


31 posted on 12/29/2008 8:30:42 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef
“I am young and a bit naive when it comes to firearms but am interested in a good home defense shotgun. As I am well aware many of you have experience in this area I was wondering what recomendations you might have to Remington 870 express vs the Mossberg 500?”

Ignore everyone else, and listen to me alone!

Both are good. If one or the other is substantially cheaper and in good shape, get that one.

If they are the same cost, pick whichever one feels best in your hands. If you can, before you buy, find some folks who have them and get them to take you shooting, so you can try them out.

And don't tell me Jedi mind tricks don't work on you! You'll hurt my feelings! ;)

I believe the Mossberg 500 will probably be cheaper, if you get a stock weapon. Get one that is gussied up for “tactical” use, ie, an ugly black gun, and it's going to cost more. Remington's 870 might possibly be a bit higher quality, or so I've heard. I've owned one of each, but a long time apart, and I'd be happy to have either kind. Especially right now. Mine was gussied up with the folding pistol-grip stock in black plastic, but the original forearm grip in beat up walnut. I think someone ran out of $$ while playing with it. I got it in a three-corner trade long ago, and it's long gone. I liked them both.

32 posted on 12/29/2008 8:31:17 AM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Oh yeah - whatever you buy, get thee to the range and practice with it until the manual of arms becomes second nature. The range is the place to make and correct mistakes like short-stroking the action or forgetting to snick off the safety.


33 posted on 12/29/2008 8:31:23 AM PST by AngryJawa (SOCIALISM SUCKS)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Yes.


34 posted on 12/29/2008 8:31:49 AM PST by gridlock (QUESTION AUTHORITY)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef
I am young and a bit naive when it comes to firearms but am interested in a good home defense shotgun.

The question of what to use as a home defense weapon is a question of who is going to use the weapon.

If you are a young strapping male a a shotgun could be appropriate.

If you are a young petit female a pistol may be more appropriate.

Being able and confident in handling the weapon when the need arises is more important than hitting power.

If the only use the shotgun will be put to is home defense I would recommend shopping around and finding an used shotgun at a good price. Either would be a fine choice. Make sure that you buy one with as short a barrel as you can find with an open choke or ‘slug’ barrel.

If you may choose to hunt with the weapon you may want to put out the money for a new weapon. If this is a possibility you may want to buy an extra barrel to suit your hunting needs.

35 posted on 12/29/2008 8:31:52 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: P8riot

sounds illegal where i live.


36 posted on 12/29/2008 8:31:58 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: al baby
"A buddy of mine has a recording of the sound of racking a pump shot gun hooked up to his door bell I love it."

Oh man, that's a CLASSIC!!!!! LMAO!!!!

37 posted on 12/29/2008 8:32:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: tgusa

If it was a Belgian A-5, you might want to see if you can buy it back. In nice condition, they’re going for $1200-$2000 and much more for the really nice ones.


38 posted on 12/29/2008 8:32:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: numberonepal

They don’t even get to hear that, just a momentary blinding flash.


39 posted on 12/29/2008 8:32:51 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Old Student
Ignore everyone else, and listen to me alone!

I love it when a post starts like this.

40 posted on 12/29/2008 8:32:52 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am a Remington believer. Ran a Trap area at a camp one summer, and the 870 was solid. Receiver is milled I believe, but much stronger than other brands I have seen. My brother got a good 870 recently, with the larger mag extension to the end of the barrel. Nice gun! It will last forever.


41 posted on 12/29/2008 8:33:25 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“but I like the elevated barrel (humpback) for aiming.”

Tweedy is not going to be robbing you, so aiming is not required with any shotgun at close range. Just point it at the intruder and squeeze off.


42 posted on 12/29/2008 8:34:05 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Right Cal Gal
CHP friend says, yeah, but if they’re armed, it also tells them where you are.

That is only important if they want to kill you personally. To the average thug on the street that sound says "Why don't you go bother the Liberal hopplophobe down the street?"

43 posted on 12/29/2008 8:35:40 AM PST by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef
I prefer the Mossberg because of the placement of the safety as well as the standard Ghost Ring sights.

Just my preference. I'd advise you check out both and see which is a better fit for you.

L

44 posted on 12/29/2008 8:36:59 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Old Student

I am not weak minded but Jedi Mind tricks tend to work on me!


45 posted on 12/29/2008 8:37:36 AM PST by gOOsefmalOOsef
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To: gOOsefmalOOsef

Sorry ya’ll....
For the purpose, I’ll take a Saiga 12 any ol’ day.
If a raghead can run it....
Ya ain’t gonna shoot skeet professionaly with a Saiga..
But 10 rd. mags do heck on bowling pins (or whatever)


46 posted on 12/29/2008 8:38:05 AM PST by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Vermont Lt
I love guns and I own a few. But exactly what kind of marauding zombies does one need to expect at their door to make significant difference between 7 or 8 shots.

It's actually 8 and 9 shots with one in the chamber. My point was for self defense purposes, there really is no distinction between the two. I have an old double barrel that I can fire twice without reloading loaded with 00. That delivers 18 .32 caliber slugs in less time than I can blink.

47 posted on 12/29/2008 8:38:09 AM PST by PasorBob
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To: MeanWestTexan

Do tell!!!!!


48 posted on 12/29/2008 8:39:44 AM PST by murrie (For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son..........)
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To: Pontiac

That’s the other dilemma. My wife is not a big fan of guns and has a fear of them. I understand fear in terms of safety is good but I also want her to feel comfortable firing them and practicing. I was thinking that for her I might get a 9mm pistol or possibly a 9mm carbine. Something with little kick that she can practice and feel comfortable with.


49 posted on 12/29/2008 8:40:23 AM PST by gOOsefmalOOsef
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To: P8riot

My thoughts EXACTLY. That is what I have. Wouldn’t
trade it for anything.....


50 posted on 12/29/2008 8:40:32 AM PST by murrie (For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son..........)
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