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Phoenix officer forbids neighbor to get cat, PD come to help
abc15.com Phoenix ^ | 12_30_08 | Christina Booker

Posted on 12/30/2008 9:57:06 AM PST by Fawn

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To: Puppage
Best neighbors I've ever had. Like I said, the people who let their animals run wild don't get much sympathy from me any more. There are reasons the city and the property owners' association have laws and bylaws against letting animals run wild.

The neighbors who suck are the ones who can't or won't control their animals, whether they're barking dogs or roaming cats. If those neighbors want to pay me to let their animals on my property and then will clean up after them, I may change my opinion.

51 posted on 12/30/2008 10:55:53 AM PST by GBA
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To: Fawn
The official site:

"Late Tuesday morning, Michael said police officers arrived at the home and rescued the cat using a ladder. It's unclear whose property they were on during the rescue."

Your version:

"Late Tuesday morning, Michael said police officers arrived at the home and rescued the cat using a ladder. It's unclear who's property they did it from."

Transcription error or update from a sloppy press?

52 posted on 12/30/2008 10:57:39 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: LiberConservative

No, cats love me. How do you think I’m able to coerce so many of them over to my place? They seldom suspect a thing.


53 posted on 12/30/2008 10:58:50 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I had a cat that got chased up the telephone pole outside our home. I called the power company, they said we don’t do cats. So I put food and water at the base of the pole hoping to lure him down. It was August in CA, 100+ temps, so I was worried about him. He began to make his way down and jumped down on the transformer on the pole. He made contact and was electrocuted. I thought “Oh %^&$, now we have to watch our beloved pet decompose in front of our home”. He then began to convulse, slid off the transformer, hit everything he possible could on the way down, then hit the ground (not on his feet I might add). He took some deep breaths. I ran to him, and felt his little heart racing mile-a-minute (V-tach? At what point of the cardiac cycle did he get shocked?). I brought him in and called the vet.

After losing his tail and part of an ear, he turned out ok after all.


54 posted on 12/30/2008 11:03:01 AM PST by gracie1
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To: savedbygrace

You totally missed my sarcasm and humor too. But—to conclude...what a bunch of BS. You just can’t pull out a gun and shoot any animal or bird or whatever in most towns/villages and cities. Maybe you can win your case if your life was in danger like with a killer dog. But if you shot a cat cuz it pooped on your lawn, I believe yer goin to jail for being cruel, heartless, reckless, illegally discharging a firearm and for being an ignorant redneck.


55 posted on 12/30/2008 11:04:27 AM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: Old Professer

I didn’t change a thing. Copied and pasted.


56 posted on 12/30/2008 11:05:00 AM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: mel

So how many cat skeletons have you seen wedged in the fork of a tree? Put food out and it will come down.


57 posted on 12/30/2008 11:06:29 AM PST by Clay Moore (Newspapers, the 8 track tape of the information age.)
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To: Polynikes

You obviously didn’t do enough sentence diagramming in public school.


58 posted on 12/30/2008 11:18:52 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Fawn

And then there was the time my miniature dachshund publicly embarrassed me by chasing a squirrel UP a tree, somehow managing to get herself stuck 6-7 feet above the ground, till she was rescued by a human (me).


59 posted on 12/30/2008 11:21:30 AM PST by kaylar
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To: Clay Moore

SEE POST 21


60 posted on 12/30/2008 11:22:54 AM PST by mel (Obama- show me the BC)
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To: Fawn

Then whoever suggested that the online editor was trying to clean it up was probably right.


61 posted on 12/30/2008 11:22:54 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Natural Law
My neighbor, for example, has a cat that eats fish from my pond, craps in my flower beds and steals dog food and then phones the police when my dogs bark at it.

Your neighbor's cat phones the police? LOL

Sorry, couldn't resist...

62 posted on 12/30/2008 11:26:32 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Phoenix PD, eh?

If it had been the sheriff, he’d probably have climbed up and got the cat down himself on the first day.


63 posted on 12/30/2008 11:28:18 AM PST by glock rocks (What's black, white and red all over? The Halfrican.)
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To: Fawn; All
Ever see a cat skeleton in a tree? Me either.

The cat will come down when it gets hungry.

64 posted on 12/30/2008 11:50:03 AM PST by wbill
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To: Puppage

“What exactly defines running wild?”

Coming into my FENCED back yard defines “running wild”. Your cat is your responsibility, not mine. I do not buy the argument “that is what cats do...”. Keep them in your house or your yard and I don’t care how many cats you call yours.

I have taken over 30 cats out of my back yard in the last two years. Trapped them all. They were “running wild”, but not anymore.


65 posted on 12/30/2008 12:05:38 PM PST by Tahoe3002 (USMC 1971-1981)
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To: driftdiver

Cats do not get “trapped” in trees. If they don’t come down it is because they prefer to stay in the tree.


66 posted on 12/30/2008 12:06:46 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Fawn

I didn’t detect any humor at all. I detected a whole lot of baiting, but not a drop of humor. I’m tempted to bet you didn’t even crack a smile at it yourself.

But back to the real point: Cat ‘owners’ who let their cats roam the neighborhood are not operating with a proper sense of fairness. They want to be absolved of all responsibility for their cats’ actions while roaming, but they want the felines protected against harm and trapping as though they were their domesticated pets.

I mean, dog owners are required, in many jurisdictions, to carry a pooper scooper or a bag when they walk their dog, and to clean up all the poop their dogs drop while they’re out.

Not so, the cats. They can poop anyplace their little butts desire, which means under my window or in my garden, more often than not.

Hey, if I can’t shoot the little poopers, could I just trap them and take them way out in the country or the woods and let them go? That’s what Animal Control would do with most other wild animals. Just to help them be their wild selves, I’d be willing to use a set of long handled cutters (so I don’t get scratched) to cut their collars off, so they won’t have to be hampered by that noisy old ID tag.

It’s only fair.

;-) [There, that’s your notice I’m kidding a little.]


67 posted on 12/30/2008 12:07:51 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks, Slings & Arrows

Ping.


68 posted on 12/30/2008 12:17:29 PM PST by Iowan
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To: savedbygrace
FReeper BREAKING NEWS...It seems there are two sides to this story...It was recently discovered that the cat in question is suspected of killing 3 members of a nearby rodent family...He was being held without bail in the tree of the police officer. The officer could not make comment because this is an ongoing investigation....STAY TUNED FOR MORE!!!/SARCASM>
69 posted on 12/30/2008 12:19:57 PM PST by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: Iowan

My pleasure.


70 posted on 12/30/2008 12:21:33 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Every few generations the really, really bad ideas come back around for another go."--Howard Tayler)
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To: az.b1bbomberfxr

LOL, really loud.

Extremely well played.


71 posted on 12/30/2008 12:27:27 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
I mean, dog owners are required, in many jurisdictions, to carry a pooper scooper or a bag when they walk their dog, and to clean up all the poop their dogs drop while they’re out.

You want to be fair and honest about this situation? How many people actually pick up after their dogs? 10%? So we people put up with irresponsible dog owners MOSt of the time. Do we leave poison and want to kill them? Maybe...but most people have a brain and understand people and real life.
How many cats can walk on a leash? .01%. So you can't compare. Do you think it's natural and normal to keep your cat inside the house like a piece of furniture 24-7? No. Would you do that to a dog? Would you keep a dog in the house almost every second of it's life? Why do you think God gave cats claws, the hunting instinct, the need to eat grass and the want to run, climb and chase things?
Depending on the neighborhood, the individual cat and the circumstances (neighborhoods, kind of cat, etc), a cat should be treated uniqely. Not as a wild animal, not as a goldfish. They are in a class all by themselves. They can't be put on a leash and can't be fenced in. They thrive being outdoors and it is almost cruel to keep them inside their whole lives. Most will become depressed, lazy and bored out of their minds...
Now if only people were mature enough to accept those facts.

72 posted on 12/30/2008 12:49:48 PM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: Buck W.

“Can’t anyone use (or NOT use) an apostrophe properly?”

If it irritates you i will try to use it and anything else improperl’y to irritate you!


73 posted on 12/30/2008 12:56:03 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Fawn
That's one of the more irresponsible and arrogant things I've seen today. I love your twisting your lack of responsibility into a "everybody does it" sort of defense. In fact, not everybody does it. I know many people who have house cats and never let them outside. My sister has an ex-farm cat now a house cat and it never is let out. You can buy eating grass at Petsmart. If you live out in the country, I have no argument with what you wrote. If you live in town, you are not a responsible pet owner if you let your cats run.

Why should your cat be my problem? I want to eat the food I get from my garden in my fenced in backyard. I put a lot of work into it and love the fresh from the garden produce...until some cat takes a dump there.

I re-did my fence and put out anti-cat chemicals, but that doesn't stop them. I put out dried predator urine, but that doesn't stop them. I spread coffee grounds and orange peels, it doesn't stop them. I've tried to be nice and humane to keep them out and not kill some kid's cat, but I am a part of nature, too and this is my yard. If my efforts to passively deal with my irresponsible neighbors' animals doesn't work, then I will ramp it up a notch. A pellet gun is silent and not illegal to shoot. There are several traps that I can use. There is always poison.

If you care about your animal, be responsible and control it. That way you don't have to worry about what it eats, what is chasing it, whether it might get hit by a car or shot by a neighbor who has done all they can and now must go to lethal means. By doing all I can short of shooting, in my opinion, I am a bigger cat lover than my neighbors who don't do anything for their animals but feed them.

74 posted on 12/30/2008 1:47:42 PM PST by GBA
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To: Fawn
Wow...look at the number of people on this thread who would harm an animal because they are too scared to confront the owner. If a non-dangerous pet is invading your property, take your aggressions to the neighbor who is actually the source of the problem. Don't use the life of an animal as a tool of revenge.
75 posted on 12/30/2008 2:00:45 PM PST by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama = Media Jesus)
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To: GBA

Ya know not too long ago....like when I was a kid, my dad would never think of letting a cat in the house—that was how most people thought....they were considered animals and lived outside. Only the last few decades have people kept them inside. He also never whined about a cat in the garden or pooping on the lawn. He was realistic. I don’t see you whining about all the bird and rodent poop. Why would you chance eating food from your garden? The diseases in that soil from bugs, birds and rodents must be horrific. They are much more deadly than the chance that a cat might poop in your garden and yet you don’t care about that. And I said it also depended on the circumstances. Letting a cat roam in NYC is different than one strolling in the suburbs.


76 posted on 12/30/2008 3:24:43 PM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: Fawn

Ah, now that’s humor.

;-)

Now, get over here and pick up all this cat poop.

Failing in that, how about putting diapers on your cat so you’re not inflicting him/her/it on your neighbors???? If you are incapable of acting responsibly, then DON’T GET A CAT. It’s that simple. Don’t break out with all these silly, weaselly excuses, then turn the cat out to terrorize the neighborhood.

BTW, if the owner doesn’t pick up after the dog, s/he risks a fine in many jurisdictions. It is the law, and certain people WILL turn a violator in to the police when they see it happening.

When I see a cat running loose, I march toward it, growling and menacing, then yelling for it to GIT! They always turn and run from me. Years ago, a neighborhood cat was terrorizing my dog in my yard, acting very much like a WILD animal. I won’t say what I did to that cat, but I never saw him again.

He might not have stopped running until he hit the border. Maybe not even then.


77 posted on 12/30/2008 3:27:16 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Fawn

“Brutis is now safe and doing well — and out of the tree.”

Thanks to Drudge.

I almost called the Phoenix PD myself but once I saw it on Drudge I knew the cat would be home by dusk. I hope this prick cop gets a bad report in his file. Sheesh what a jerk.


78 posted on 12/30/2008 3:34:42 PM PST by gost2
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To: Fawn

Depending on the neighborhood, the individual cat and the circumstances (neighborhoods, kind of cat, etc), a cat should be treated uniqely. Not as a wild animal, not as a goldfish. They are in a class all by themselves. They can’t be put on a leash and can’t be fenced in. They thrive being outdoors and it is almost cruel to keep them inside their whole lives. Most will become depressed, lazy and bored out of their minds...
Now if only people were mature enough to accept those facts.

Hear ye, hear ye, a voice of sanity. Like there are just hundreds of cats roaming an individual neighborhood, pooping all over the gardens. Not. Hyperbole. They roam around during the day, lounge in the sun, and then come home at nite for food, drink, and some petting. How often is it that they cause much trouble? Hardly ever. People have let their cats roam for centuries. I’m lucky in that, though living in a condo, I have a very large balcony (20 feet long). I’m on the second floor, and my cats (when I had 2, 1 passed away not too long ago), would go out on the balcony during the warm days of spring, all summer, and into the fall. They would lounge around, stare at birds, watch squirrels and rabbits, and enjoy the fresh air. Neither of my cats would intentionally jump off. Instinctively they knew they were too high up. It is the best of both worlds. I can let my cat out, but the cat is still at home. She comes in and out at whim (I keep the sliding glass door cracked so she can do this. The only day I make sure to keep her in is Halloween, as she is black and looks just like the Halloween scaredy cat. (She’s very pretty, medium to a bit longer hair). Is right next to me on my recliner as I type, with her tail occasionally swishing over the keyboard.


79 posted on 12/30/2008 3:39:30 PM PST by flaglady47 (Four years of captivity, no relief in sight)
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To: Fawn
At first, I thought you were kidding with some of your answers, but I've come to realize you are quite serious. Your posts are just unbalanced enough to make me worry a bit about you. If this wasn't a conservative website, I'd be absolutely certain you're a liberal. It's bizarre how irresponsible some people can be.

Still, I must thank you for your answers as you've convinced me that there is no reasoning with people who feel as you do. Clearly, no matter how I much I talk about my property rights, the city laws against letting animals run loose, the POA's bylaws against letting animals run loose, the hazards of letting animals run loose, my efforts to be humane rather than lethal or any other bit of logic, all I'll get in return is some emotional inane bluster. Why waste the time?

You have convinced me that the only way I can solve cat problem the irresponsible cat people have forced upon me is to trap them and turn them over to the pound or simply shoot them and put them in the trash. I see now that this way everybody wins. People can let their cats run free as they believe nature intended and I then get rid of the nuisance cats on my property per the city and POA laws. Win-win. Though I'm pissed that my neighbors would force me to do this, I appreciate your showing me that I have no other choice.

80 posted on 12/30/2008 4:18:51 PM PST by GBA
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To: flaglady47

Thanks for your reply. I have 2 black cats...medium hairs also....black cats are my favorite...


81 posted on 12/30/2008 4:38:14 PM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: gost2

That was nice that you were concerned .....the cop is a @$$.


82 posted on 12/30/2008 4:40:53 PM PST by Fawn (I want my bailout too!!!!)
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To: dalereed

“If it irritates you i will try to use it and anything else improperl’y to irritate you!”

Thank you—I believe that you achieved your quota with that sentence!


83 posted on 12/30/2008 6:09:26 PM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: GBA

Have you tried talking to your neighbor(s) about their cats?


84 posted on 12/30/2008 7:07:56 PM PST by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: ellery
Yes. I have complained about the cats to a few neighbors and either they don't like them either and agree with me or I get the "cats do what cats are going to do" comments. Unfortunately, my dogs think a litter box is a lot like that bowl of after dinner mints at a restaurant and when they find some new deposit in the garden or flower beds it's a happy moment for them. One never knows what might be in that "treat" and that means a deworming appointment at the vet. Not cheap.

I live in a very animal friendly neighborhood. Everyone has at least one dog, most more and many have at least one cat. Unfortunately, a few just let their cats run loose. When the one had kittens, she hid them behind some bags of mulch next to my house. My two neighbors give me a hard time for not calling the pound about them.

It's not like I'm a cat hater. I like their energy and the way they move. I had a siamese and a Maine coon, but they died of old age a few years ago and I've not replaced them. Since then, I've learned to see cats and cat people from a different point of view.

If you know of a way to keep them away, I'd be very interested. I've tried many things with no success and I'm ready to go to the next level.

85 posted on 12/30/2008 7:41:20 PM PST by GBA
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To: GBA

Is there any way to know to whom, if anyone, the cats belong? If the owner is a neighbor, I would think it’s his/her responsibility to address your concerns.

On the other hand, if the cats are feral, many cities have humane programs to eliminate the nuisance. Volunteers trap the cats, volunteer vets spay/neuter them, and the colony/nuisance fades away. Feral cats only live an average of 1-2 years, so this approach lessens the problem immediately (no more kittens), and takes care of the issue altogether relatively quickly.

I have three beloved indoor cats (and one big old dog) — I live in the city and don’t want to expose them to outdoor dangers. My neighbor has two (friendly, neutered, well-cared-for) indoor/outdoor cats. As for me, I love them, and think it’s great to have them around. However, I can see why you would be irritated in your situation. Even if I couldn’t see where you were coming from, the bottom line is that you have a right to your private property.

(As for the article, I do think the cop here was full of crap — but that’s a separate issue).


86 posted on 12/30/2008 9:43:26 PM PST by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: Puppage
How do cats run wild? What exactly defines running wild?


87 posted on 12/31/2008 6:07:30 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Never apologize, Mister. It's a sign of weakness" - Nathan Brittles)
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