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Fortune hunter believes he has Googled gold[TX]
Houston Chronicle ^ | 30 Dec 2008 | Mary Flood

Posted on 12/30/2008 12:46:04 PM PST by BGHater

Californian is fighting heirs in Texas over the right to dig for it

If Nathan Smith's plan to search for a buried treasure near the Texas Gulf Coast using Google Earth and a metal detector sounds like a Hollywood movie, it should.

After all, Smith, a California musician, was inspired by the hit National Treasure movies starring Nicolas Cage. And like any good swashbuckling flick, there's a dramatic tale — this one involving cannibalized 19th-century sailors who supposedly left the pot of gold and silver behind in Refugio County in South Texas.

Trying to bankroll his art by becoming a treasure hunter like Cage's movie character also led Smith to the witness stand Monday in Houston's federal courthouse, where he testified in his quest to get U.S. District Judge David Hittner to order that he has title to a shipwreck he says is buried under muck near the Mission River.

He's ready to hire people to unearth the ship he thinks was laden with gold when it veered away from an 1822 hurricane and sank into mud about 160 miles southwest of Houston. But he gets to dig only if Hittner finds that the site is in navigable waters. Otherwise, anything underneath it belongs to the family who claims to own the land and is in court opposing any excavation.

"I've been seeking the Lost Dutchman's gold mine, the Franklin Mountains treasure, Jesse James' buried treasure, Belle Starr's iron door, the Lost Peg Leg gold and numerous others," testified Smith. He said his three years of treasure hunting have not yielded any treasure. "Most of these are in very secluded places and very dangerous," he said.


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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: bellestarrirondoor; california; davidhittner; franklinmountains; godsgravesglyphs; google; jessejamestreasure; lostdutchmanmine; lostpegleggold; missionriver; nathansmith; ship; texas; treasure

1 posted on 12/30/2008 12:46:05 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Cannibals and treasure ship ping. Like P&J sandwiches.


2 posted on 12/30/2008 12:47:04 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater

3 posted on 12/30/2008 12:50:09 PM PST by JoeProBono (I am learning all the time. The tombstone will be my diploma)
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To: JoeProBono

Google is presently at $303.00.


4 posted on 12/30/2008 12:55:32 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: BGHater
If a family owns the land, I do hope the judge not only sides with them, but compensates them for their legal fees and troubles!

We have a ranch in California that is surrounded by National Forest. We once had a prospector tell us that if a prospector filed a claim for our land, it could be awarded, and we could be shot for setting foot on our own place. totally false, but I think sometimes the lure of unearned wealth causes people to trample the rights of others!

5 posted on 12/30/2008 12:58:20 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work Americans won't do)
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To: passionfruit

A lot of people claim to know the law when they have no clue. I see this all the time in Real Estate law. “A friend of a friend who took some courses but didn’t pass the test told me that.....(whatever goofiness suits their purpose)”.


6 posted on 12/30/2008 1:03:22 PM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: texmexis best; passionfruit
If it's navigable waters, the first person to find abandoned booty can ask the federal courts and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for permission to retrieve it. If it's part of the Sorenson land, only the heirs to the estate get to dig or allow others to do so. The site appears to be an oft-flooded muddy or wetlands-like spot near water.

If the court rules the land is navigable waters the Sorenson heirs should file with the county to have the land taken off their deed and reduce their tax burden.

If it is a river and the family has no right to control the use of it, the land should not be taxed.

This has been an issue in Ohio for some time. Owners of lake front property are taxed for land that has been eroded by lake Erie and is now covered by the lake. Yet the counties still assess taxes on that property that state law says is now the property of the state.

7 posted on 12/30/2008 1:11:22 PM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: BGHater
"I've been seeking the Lost Dutchman's gold mine, the Franklin Mountains treasure, Jesse James' buried treasure, Belle Starr's iron door, the Lost Peg Leg gold and numerous others," testified Smith. He said his three years of treasure hunting have not yielded any treasure. "Most of these are in very secluded places and very dangerous," he said.

Hmmm..this Smith sounds a lot like Joseph Smith, a 19th-Century treasure hunter in New York who was rather unsuccessful and charged with fraud before finding some golden plates and creating a new religion. Maybe if he can't find the Lost Dutchman, he can start a new religion and find some golden iPods or something...?

8 posted on 12/30/2008 1:31:19 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Pontiac

With wetlands and navigable river issues and the USACE involved, you can bet it will be a major mess.


9 posted on 12/30/2008 1:34:00 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

What is up with that, Gondring? No, I am NOT a Mormon but didn’t the Prop 8 events teach you anything? You don’t want to be a Mormon? You don’t want to accept Joseph Smith as a prophet and seer as they do? Fine and dandy. But why go out of your way to offend a sizeable group of Freepers and the Conservative movement’s dedicated allies in the battle against the Libtards; a battle that actually means something, unlike the point of your pathetic and insulting post? My friend, make no mistake, we either stand together or we will hang separately.


10 posted on 12/30/2008 1:39:13 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Robwin

perhaps the word fanatic is the reason


11 posted on 12/30/2008 1:42:14 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Save America......... put out lots of wafarin (it's working))
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To: BGHater; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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Thanks BGHater. At first glance, I thought it might be reference to a lost treasure story (I think set in Texas) I read about as a kid, in the (fun, if nothing else) book "Strangely Enough". :')

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12 posted on 12/30/2008 1:48:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: Robwin
The similarities are uncanny, just updated a few centuries (thus the iPod joke). Did you know that the surgeon who operated on Joseph Smith as a boy was named Nathan Smith? I truly wonder if there's a connection (though the Smith name is quite common. :-)

It's amusing that you were upset at my post, as during the aftermath of the invasion of the FLDS ranch in Eldorado, Texas, and with defenses of Gov. Romney (though he wasn't my preferred candidate), I was accused by fellow FReepers of being "a Mormon apologist."

And what I said shouldn't be offensive...what I said was just straight factually true, acknowledged even by LDS apologists...

Joseph Smith was

Nathan Smith has only the first part, and doesn't seem to be doing too well at it. Founding a religion might be a bit more lucrative for him (though it was Joseph Smith's ultimate demise!).

My friend, make no mistake, we either stand together or we will hang separately.

I'm "offended" that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin, so...I'm not sure whether it's worse that you made his quote pedestrian or that you didn't credit him. At least you didn't do both. :-)

But in the end, your message is right on target. I admire the courage coming from the LDS corner, and I admire their drive and maintainance of many strong family values.

13 posted on 12/30/2008 2:19:00 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Right down the road ping.


14 posted on 12/30/2008 2:35:46 PM PST by Bertram3
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To: BGHater

This is a good tale at Desert USA.com. It gives a little taste of gold fever:

New Evidence Surfaces About the Location of The Lost Dutchman Mine

15 posted on 12/30/2008 4:38:35 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Gondring

“I’m “offended” that you would misquote Benjamin Franklin, so...I’m not sure whether it’s worse that you made his quote pedestrian or that you didn’t credit him. At least you didn’t do both. :-)”

Quite so. And apparently I failed to even see the quote marks around what I said as if I were quoting Frfanklin’s exact words or merely paraphrasing them. But it would seem you saw the quotes so I suppose I owe you an apology. Yes, I suppose.

Well here’s another for you and, so I fulfill your high standards, this one is an exact quote. One you would do well to reflect on.

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782


16 posted on 12/30/2008 5:43:42 PM PST by Robwin
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To: passionfruit
I go Panning in California every year on the American river.
So, on that note,
having the mineral rights to the property allows us to set up camp
anywhere we please. Our club is very respectful though, we clean up areas
where we don't even camp. We believe that leaving land cleaner then
how we found it is the ultimate of respect for land owners. And the owners love our club.


Not shot, but if you're caught panning on a claim, it's a federal offense
that has nothing to do with real estate or state laws. Even if it's your property.
Nice way to piss off your neighbors though, file a claim on their property
and set up a tent, complete with a loud dredge. LOL

17 posted on 12/30/2008 5:57:55 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: MaxMax

Actually, I researched it, and you can’t file a claim on someone else’s property. Mining claims are filed on government land. And I am happy to say, we own the mineral rights to our place.


18 posted on 12/30/2008 7:32:09 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work Americans won't do)
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To: passionfruit
Good, most people don't think about mineral rights when they buy property.
I'm buying some land in a few years, but not without the mineral rights.
19 posted on 12/30/2008 7:37:54 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Robwin
as if I were quoting Frfanklin’s exact words or merely paraphrasing them.

What a sad and pointless "paraphrase"...to change one word, removing the wit while keeping the meaning.

Well here’s another for you and, so I fulfill your high standards, this one is an exact quote. One you would do well to reflect on.

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Yes, I am quite familiar with that--I carried that work around with me on my trusty Clié for re-reading on flights or slow moments (though recently my "trusty" Clié is no longer trustworthy...) :-(

Anyway, I am familiar enough with that passage to remember the context. Mr. Jefferson isn't saying we should hold our tongue, but is saying that the "religiously incorrect" should not be automatically barred from testimony. What he says we should do, instead, is to loose our inquiry upon those religious beliefs, as the truth can be obtained by questioning and reasoning, not by just accepting or rejecting "questionable beliefs" out of hand.

Rational questioning does not contradict his oft-stated position that a man's relgion is between himself and his Maker...Jefferson was speaking of questioning the religion, not any man's belief in it.

Still, I don't wish to be rude to anyone, and I realize upon re-reading my post that it could easily be seen as offensive, despite its focus on facts.* I don't want that to come across.



*As much as I thought Gov. Huckabee's comment was malicious but not directly wrong, I now see that it might have been unintentional.

20 posted on 12/30/2008 8:19:13 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: passionfruit
We once had a prospector tell us that if a prospector filed a claim for our land, it could be awarded, and we could be shot for setting foot on our own place. totally false, but I think sometimes the lure of unearned wealth causes people to trample the rights of others!

Scary thing is, someone believing they are "entitled" to use deadly force and actually shooting at you or yours.

Someone's erroneous belief could get you hurt or killed.

I would suggest properly posting your property to insure that any half-wits with designs on your property are informed that they are in the wrong.

Likewise, it might be a good idea to make it clear what the consequences for trespass / assault might be.

21 posted on 12/30/2008 11:11:23 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: MaxMax

I don’t know what State you are looking at, but if it is in the West, try to get water rights too! Best of luck to you


22 posted on 12/30/2008 11:14:17 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work Americans won't do)
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To: passionfruit
Post #18 set the record straight. I was actually referring to gold claims.
Though I do admit it was a devious thought about neighbors.

I do enjoy gold panning if only to get out of the city, and away from business.
And Virginia is a long way from California.

/Salute

23 posted on 12/30/2008 11:20:39 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: BGHater; ronnyquest; Cvengr; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; stan_sipple; time4good; ...

Refugio ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


24 posted on 12/31/2008 8:41:49 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time. 2Timothy 1:9)
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To: BGHater

I think the Mission river is navigable—with a canoe.


25 posted on 01/01/2009 7:05:00 AM PST by wildbill
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26 posted on 01/28/2015 1:50:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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