Flat-screen TVs to face energy-efficiency rules in California

Los Angeles Times ^ | Jan. 3, 2009 | Marc Lifsher

[decimon]

Reporting from Sacramento -- That 52-inch, flat-screen television on the family room wall may have a terrific picture, but there's a big drawback: It's an energy hog.

State regulators are getting ready to curb the growing power gluttony of TV sets by drafting the nation's first rules requiring retailers to sell only the most energy-efficient models, starting in 2011.

[decimon]

Pssst...wanna but a plasma TV?

[Vaquero]

requiring retailers to sell only the most energy-efficient models, starting in 2011.

attention Nevada retailers, your ship is coming in.

[decimon]

attention Nevada retailers, your ship is coming in.

What's sold in Vegas stays in LA.

[omega4179]

Another lib law thats easily circumvented at the expense of California business.

[TheWasteLand]

State regulators are getting ready to curb the growing power gluttony of TV sets

Someone needs to curb the growing power gluttony of state regulators.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Actually, if you’re not completely CLUELESS, there are different settings on the TV that change how much energy it ‘hogs.’ They set them super bright in the stores to lure you in. No one needs them ‘showroom bright’ at home. *SHRUG*

[Snickering Hound]

Local retailers take the hit and Amazon gets even more sales.

[Flycatcher]

"They should take them off the shelves," said Sam Ortega, a retired state worker. "We need to monitor our energy. It's good for everybody."

Sam Ortega, Retired State Worker, Fellow Comrade, Useful Idiot.

[KoRn]

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[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Television manufacturers should discontinue sales to CA then. Let Californians go back to watching this:

[decimon]

Local retailers take the hit and Amazon gets even more sales.

Expect this: "Item cannot be shipped to California, Vermont..."

[CaptainMorgantown]

Actually, this article is misleading. Plasma TV's are power hogs, but LCD flat screens are more energy efficient than older Cathode Ray Tube type TV's. The reason they are reporting higher 'average' power consumption for LCD's is that the 'average' LCD TV purchased might be about 46", while the 'average' CRT TV purchased might be about 32".

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Mike McMaster, president of Wilshire Entertainment Inc., worries that a rush to impose TV efficiency standards "would be basically the end of our business." His locations in Thousand Oaks and Valencia employ 54 people and specialize in sales and installation of custom home theater systems centered on extremely large TVs.

This is CA in a nutshell.

[decimon]

I think I had one of those. Could never manage to find a round plug for my telephone, though.

[decimon]

The reason they are reporting higher 'average' power consumption for LCD's is that the 'average' LCD TV purchased might be about 46", while the 'average' CRT TV purchased might be about 32".

Probably right.

[svcw]

Well, I still have a 1050s tube console TV in the garage (yep still works) I wonder how much power that thing draws?

[svcw]

Oh come SVCW not 1050 - 1950 1950...................

[libh8er]

What’s wrong with allowing consumers to choose the most energy efficient models for themselves ? Or what if energy companies can generate whatever is demanded of them ? Why do we need f***ing bureaucrats telling us what we can or can’t use ?

[decimon]

Oh come SVCW not 1050 - 1950 1950...................

Viking TV? Who knew? ;-)

[FlingWingFlyer]

Big Brother is watching what you’re watching!

[decimon]

Big Brother is watching what you’re watching!

And wasting energy doing so. But it's all for your own good.

[pepperdog]

If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny. California politicians jump the shark on a daily basis anymore.

[pepperhead]

Great, so the state of California wants to pick winners and losers in the panel wars. So much for the best technology winning or at least letting the consumer decide.....

[svcw]

Oh man, you got me. We need an edit button to change our posts. I caught that mis-type but to late.........

[mamelukesabre]

Probably less than the computer you’re using right now, or less than the spare refrigerator in my basement circa 1960 that only has maybe half a dozen bottles of beer in it and nothing else.

[Tarpon]

And what is the consequences of not meeting the stupid rules? Ahh, err, ahhh, ummmm, you say, well you will have to pay a tax.

The beauty of it all ...

[decimon]

We need an edit button to change our posts.

I've wished for one more than once. FR is a cruel mistress.

[decimon]

And what is the consequences of not meeting the stupid rules?

Well, if you're drawing too much juice then you have grow lamps or a plasma TV. "Knock knock...Police!"

[Tarpon]

Or maybe use a generator.

That’s what grow houses around here use.

[Old Professer]

Does it look like this?

[decimon]

Or maybe use a generator.

Oh cool. Not only TVs on the black market but generators to go with them.

[willgolfforfood]

Uh... I think you meant “too late”.

[Tarpon]

You are on to something. The usual response to Communsim is the black market it creates, buy in cash from other black marketeers. Around here, workers are already asking “cash only”.

Set up your sources, don’t get coaught in the rush.

[svcw]

Are you sure?
I thought too was the same as also.
But it’s true, I am always getting these two “to. too” mixed up.

[allmendream]

Nope, this is CA with the nuts out of the shell and trying to run things.

[MrPiper]

Television manufacturers should discontinue sales to CA then. Let Californians go back to watching this:

Hey!! How did you get a picture of my TV !!!

[Zack Attack]

Cool TV. LOL. I remember my dad had one of the early remote control TVs, a Philco, back when I was growing up. Must have been a late 50’s model. Beautiful wooden cabinet. He had it hauled off just a couple years ago. Wish he’d kept it.

[cowtowney]

California’s state government has solved all their other problems and now they’ve moved on to regulating flat screen TVs.

$48 billion deficit check
Illegal Immigration check
Massive Foreclosures check
Companies leaving CA check
Flat Screen TVs ?

[Dr. Sivana]

LCD -- liquid crystal display -- sets use 43% more electricity, on average, than conventional tube TVs

That cannot possibly be true. They must be comparing 42" LCDs with 21" tubes. CRT based TVs get hot (heat = energy). Full sized ones have big high voltage power supplies inside. Businesses that have gone from 17" CRT monitors to 17" LCD screens find their electric bills go down. (Similar technology from an energy usage standpoint).

[Red Badger]

What is wrong in CA? Is the water poisoned or are they all just plain freakin’ nuts?............

[decimon]

What is wrong in CA? Is the water poisoned or are they all just plain freakin’ nuts?............

Control freakin' nuts. On the one hand, the control freaks would control the nuts. On the other hand, the nuts are the control freaks.

Maybe it's the water.

[Anti-Bubba182]

".... the vast majority of them flat-panels. LCD -- liquid crystal display -- sets use 43% more electricity, on average, than conventional tube TVs; larger models use proportionately more. Plasma TVs, which command a relatively small share of the market, need more than three times as much power as bulky, old-style sets..."

From Tiger Direct Specifications on a 42 inch LCD TV

" Power Consumption: 300W"

42 inch Plasma Specifications

".. Power Consumption: 573W.."

Did the guy who wrote this article also write about global warming? I don't see 300 watts as a big deal. Even the 573 watts on the Plasma is not that bad. If there was a 42inch tube TV the power requirement might be less, but how much less. Also as time goes by it will get harder and harder to get tube tvs.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Good point!

[decimon]

I don't see 300 watts as a big deal. Even the 573 watts on the Plasma is not that bad.

If there's an 800 pound electrified gorilla then that would be refrigeration/air conditioning. TVs are comparative spider monkeys.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Right! AND if you want ANY TV in the not too distant future it won’t be one with a Cathode Ray Tube. This is an area where the legislators will get their heads handed to them if they regulate too much.