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Sharing between Vista and XP

Posted on 01/07/2009 3:22:47 PM PST by pctech

I don't know if this has been talked about here on FR (I assume it has but I couldn't find a thread on it) but I have been trying to get file sharing to work between Windows XP and Vista. I got all the correct network protocols installed on my XP computer but I couldn't get it to see the lone Vista computer on the network.

Before you ask, my son has to run Vista because of network requirements at Purdue University. When he brings his computer home it messes up the entire network since I'm running XP on all my other computers.

Then it hit me, maybe my anti-virus / firewall is causing the problem. I've been running AVG 8.0 for a year or so now on all my XP computers but I don't remember having the problems before having a Vista computer on the network. Last night I uninstalled AVG from my computer and when I did then all the computers on the network showed up on my XP computer.

So I got online last night and I noticed that there is a setting in AVG to ensure file sharing works correctly. When I set it to ensure file and printer sharing worked correctly, I'm still not seeing the Vista computer unless I do a search for it through the Start/Run command.

During my search online I found out that people are starting to endorse Avast over AVG, and that Avast isn't as complicated to operate as AVG is getting to be and file sharing isn't affected. I wanted to find out what people think about both programs before I make a decision to switch from one to the other. Perhaps someone knows something about AVG that will help me and I won't have to.

Thanks for any input you all can lend me.

Cheers!


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: getamac; homenetwork

1 posted on 01/07/2009 3:22:48 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

It may not be AVG, more likely it is a tighter security setting on Vista.


2 posted on 01/07/2009 3:24:23 PM PST by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: pctech
I don't have any suggestions as I can't even get sharing to work among XP PCs I own.

Could you perhaps post the steps to find this "setting in AVG to ensure file sharing works correctly"? I'd like to give that a shot.

3 posted on 01/07/2009 3:28:33 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great spirits will always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds.)
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To: pctech
Good luck. I have vista on two machines, and xp on three, I have yet to get them to all play nice. I just gave up on it, and use removable media to share files.
4 posted on 01/07/2009 3:28:35 PM PST by DYngbld (Aspire to inspire before you expire)
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To: DYngbld

That does not sound good. There has to be some way to getting these things to play nice, I just gotta figure out how to do. Thanks for your input.


5 posted on 01/07/2009 3:37:11 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

Maybe you need an old computer running Linux and samba to manage the interface to the outside world...and your network.


6 posted on 01/07/2009 3:39:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: pctech

Our firewall is Zone Alarm. All the IP addresses must be in a trusted zone. You may be able to configure this through your router, also.


7 posted on 01/07/2009 3:42:39 PM PST by liege
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To: pctech
I found out that people are starting to endorse Avast over AVG

Works great.Hope you don't mind a deep voice telling you that "virus database has been updated at 3:00 AM.

8 posted on 01/07/2009 3:44:26 PM PST by Stentor (Kids are starving in India and you're walking around with a sombrero full of peanuts.)
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To: ikka
Do you use passwords for logon? If so go to advanced sharing create the share from there in the same window
you have a option for permissions, in there you are able to set the permissions for everyone or add a specific user.
9 posted on 01/07/2009 3:44:37 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: JSteff

I turned off the password protection in Vista.


10 posted on 01/07/2009 3:46:50 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

Not sure about the Vista/AVG thing, but I can heartily endorse Avast! Been using it for about five years, and have *never* had a problem. Looking at getting the Enterprise edition for the office network. :)

FWIW, I have read a few things about AVG 8 being a bit “twitchy”. Can you go back to 7.x?


11 posted on 01/07/2009 3:47:33 PM PST by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: pctech

Good luck. I can’t even get one of my programs that works on XP work on my computer that is XP Pro..


12 posted on 01/07/2009 3:49:15 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Stentor
Works great.Hope you don't mind a deep voice telling you that "virus database has been updated at 3:00 AM.

Turn off the sounds. There's a setting to turn it off.

13 posted on 01/07/2009 3:49:33 PM PST by listenhillary (No representation without taxation! ~~ Mark Steyn)
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To: thoolou

I don’t think 7.X is supported now, though I am going to research it. I’m leaning towards Avast though, as I’m getting tired of fighting this battle.


14 posted on 01/07/2009 3:50:18 PM PST by pctech
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To: ikka

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e20e6875-7210-47bb-bf19-5c60e6ae86151033.mspx

File sharing essentials


15 posted on 01/07/2009 3:54:10 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: pctech
Sharing is possible between vista and xp. First remember that both have firewalls. Find your intranet ip address it will be something like 192.xxx.xxx.xxx, for all the computers on your net work and any router you might have. Depending on the firewall (windows or norton for instance) you will need to make the router, if you have one, a trusted network. You will need to make the computers trusted as well, and then set the specific folders/drives on both machines to be shared.
16 posted on 01/07/2009 3:57:06 PM PST by waynesa98
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To: JSteff

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

Configuring File and Printer Sharing Behavior in Windows Vista


17 posted on 01/07/2009 3:57:07 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: pctech

I will pray for you.


18 posted on 01/07/2009 4:01:26 PM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce; HAL9000

Tech ping


19 posted on 01/07/2009 4:01:59 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: JSteff
You beat me to the file sharing page. It maybe as simple as this

"The default workgroup name in Windows Vista has been changed to WORKGROUP. In Windows® XP Home Edition, the default workgroup name is MSHOME."

I'm running Vista and the other 2 running XP and seem to remember having this problem.

20 posted on 01/07/2009 4:04:37 PM PST by McGruff
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To: pctech

Temporarily disable the firewall on each computer and check again to see if the Vista shares are visible/ available. If they are then the firewall(s) are blocking file sharing and/or untrusted IP addresses. The firewall trust settings will need to be adjusted or leave them turned off (not recommended) while sharing.


21 posted on 01/07/2009 4:05:38 PM PST by Kolb (Use wisely your power of choice)
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To: 21stCenturion

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22 posted on 01/07/2009 4:05:41 PM PST by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: pctech

You can do it but you’ll have to give MS a lien on your soul.

Who knows the implications of some of the more gruesome occult rites involved in the ‘end user soul lien buy-back work around’...it’s got to leave a mark.


23 posted on 01/07/2009 4:06:20 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: pctech

we networked a xp and a vista at work. it did not work. we were told by microsoft that it would not network. when we networked them things on the xp would just dissappear. i kept accusing my secretary of deleting things. microsoft said there were many problems networking the two. that was about 1 year ago


24 posted on 01/07/2009 4:10:30 PM PST by junkyarddawg
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To: pctech
WinXP machines require a client to access Vista shares. It's called the Link Layer Topology Discovery Responder client. Here's the instructions and a link to the client that you'll need to download onto your XP machines.

Solution

For computers running Windows XP to appear on the Network Map diagram, you must download and install the LLTD Responder component for WindowsXP. With the LLTD Responder, a computer running Windows XP can respond to other Windows Vista computers on the network that are attempting to create a network map.

To install the LLTD Responder to a computer running Windows XP

1. Download the update for Windows XP from http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=70582

2. Run the update on the computer running Windows XP that you want to appear on the Network Map.

3. On the Software Update Installation Wizard, click Next.

4. On the License Agreement page, read the license agreement, and if you agree to the terms, click I Agree, and then click Next.

5. On the final page of the wizard, click Finish.

6. If you are prompted to do so, restart your computer. 7. After your computer running Windows XP restarts, generate a new Network Map with the computer running Windows XP included.

Download and install Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) onto the WinXP machines. This enables the network map in Vista to show all machines on the network.

Link to LLTD Client for WinXP Machines.

25 posted on 01/07/2009 4:11:23 PM PST by usconservative (My Plan For Government Reform: Hangings on Thursday, Trials on Friday.)
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To: junkyarddawg
Whoever from Microsoft told you that XP and Vista cannot share files and printers should be fired. They have no clue what they're talking about.

Microsoft addressed this interoperability issue with the LLTD client shortly after Vista was released. See my post above if you're still having issues getting Vista and XP to work together. I use Vista Business Ultimate at home, my wife's and kids computers are XP. We all see each others shared drives and printers just fine with the LLTD client installed on the XP machines.

26 posted on 01/07/2009 4:14:34 PM PST by usconservative (My Plan For Government Reform: Hangings on Thursday, Trials on Friday.)
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To: usconservative

i am going to keep your post in case i have to network with a vista in the future. i hate calling microsoft it is a hit or miss. you may get a good one or not. you would think they would have people who knew.


27 posted on 01/07/2009 4:23:34 PM PST by junkyarddawg
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To: McGruff

Yeah, I was helping a friend and it was that simple if I recall. There was also a reg fix to a related issue with the sharing locations. I am trying to look that up too.


28 posted on 01/07/2009 4:28:28 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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To: usconservative

I’ve done all of this, I even ensured I downloaded version 6 of the LLTD. It’s baffling; if I do a network map in Vista I can all of the items. But if I just try to normally view the network through either Windows Explorer or by double clicking on the Network Icon, the only computer that shows up is the Vista machine I’m on.


29 posted on 01/07/2009 4:50:48 PM PST by pctech
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To: usconservative

Thanks for the help. I can see my XP machine with my Vista machine. How do I enable all file sharing so I can see all of my XP files instead of just the Shared Documents?


30 posted on 01/07/2009 6:19:10 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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31 posted on 01/07/2009 6:23:45 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: pctech
Then it hit me, maybe my anti-virus / firewall is causing the problem. I've been running AVG 8.0 for a year

AVG is a firewall?

32 posted on 01/07/2009 6:26:30 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: pctech

bump


33 posted on 01/07/2009 6:28:18 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: pctech

I can see, after following the advice on this thread, files back and forth from my Vista to XP machine.


34 posted on 01/07/2009 6:58:46 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: martin_fierro
Yes, AVG has had a firewall for some time now. I mainly used the antivirus until I couldn't find a firewall that worked with XP 64 bit and at the time AVG was the only one that worked worth a hoot. Forget Zonealarm. Now I'm still having problems getting my Vista machine to see XP and visa versa. It's maddening, even after all the advise and technical data shared here, my Vista laptop won't see any XP machine, my XP machine will see the Vista laptop but not my son's Vista computer, and my son's Vista computer, man, I'm not sure what it will see at this point.

I wish I could give Gates a kick upside the head right now.

35 posted on 01/08/2009 5:00:19 AM PST by pctech
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To: usconservative

Wow. Good thing MS-Windows is so user friendly, otherwise people might be tempted to use Linux or OSX


36 posted on 01/08/2009 7:34:25 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: junkyarddawg

I share files all the time between XP and Vista. Vista’s security is a lot tighter than XP’s. I just set up the shares and looked for the box in Network.


37 posted on 01/08/2009 7:38:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: raybbr

“How do I enable all file sharing so I can see all of my XP files instead of just the Shared Documents?”

\\machine\c$ ?


38 posted on 01/08/2009 7:40:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
“How do I enable all file sharing so I can see all of my XP files instead of just the Shared Documents?” \\machine\c$ ?

I finally figured it out. You have to right click on the drive and the enable sharing. Or, you can do that for individual folders.

39 posted on 01/08/2009 7:47:38 AM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: usconservative
Download and install Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) onto the WinXP machines.

You are so right. This is the key. If you don't do this Vista will not share with XP!

40 posted on 01/08/2009 7:58:13 AM PST by Walmartian
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To: usconservative

ping for later


41 posted on 01/08/2009 5:45:10 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: pctech

It may or may not be AVG. I have found AVG 8.0 too big and clumsy. It’s starting to resemble Norton. So I switched to Avast. Runs great, non-intrusive, works well on the lone Vista machine on our network.


42 posted on 01/08/2009 5:53:36 PM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman

Avast doesn’t have a firewall does it?


43 posted on 01/08/2009 6:08:58 PM PST by pctech
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To: pctech
"Avast doesn’t have a firewall does it?"

No, not in the free version. I'm not sure about the full version. But you don't need another firewall. The Windows firewall more than suffices. And if you're behind a router, that router is also a firewall. All another software firewall does is fight with the Windows firewall and cause problems. More often than not, people don't know to disable the Windows firewall if they use a virus software firewall. And if the two are able to coexist, a second firewall is redundant to the Windows firewall and especially in addition to the router firewall. This uses memory and other resources that can be better used with other applications if not just plain keep the computer running at it's peak speed. Norton is the worst about this.

44 posted on 01/09/2009 6:54:07 AM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
Whenever I use the AVG antivirus/firewall the Windows Firewall is always turned off. It never conflicts.

Now, the fact that my router/switch being a firewall honestly didn't even occur to me but you're right; with NAT and SPI I guess I don't need another firewall, especially a software firewall.

But honestly, even with the firewall built in to the router there have been times in the past when AVG has alerted me to a suspected intrusion. I haven't had that happen lately, though, like in the past year or so.

I guess I need to re-evaluate my network and adjust accordingly. I have a Netgear WG614 Wireless Router with NAT and SPI and DoS attack protection. In your honest and humble opinion, do I still need a software firewall?

45 posted on 01/09/2009 9:43:45 AM PST by pctech
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To: DaGman

Oh, and I agree with you about AVG starting to resemble Norton. It is getting bigger and clunkier.


46 posted on 01/09/2009 9:44:40 AM PST by pctech
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To: pctech

IMH&HO, No. The Windows firewall suffices. I believe it was in XP SP1 that they redesigned the Windows firewall and made it secure. I think anything else is redundant and you end up paying for something that you already have. So you already have two lines of defense. The router is the first firewall and the Windows firewall is behind that. Between them you’ve got a pretty good defense.

Keep in mind that no matter how good your defense is, if you click “OK” or “Check My System” or anything like that when something pops up on the web and tells you your system is in danger and needs to be scanned, you just did away with any defense you have and gave permission to the intruder to do whatever it pleases. But I think you probably already know that.


47 posted on 01/09/2009 4:03:37 PM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
Well I'm not convinced about the Windows Firewall but since I already have the firewall built into the router (I really need to read the documentation better huh?) I really am starting to feel that the firewall in AVG isn't needed. And since it is getting bloated like Norton the antivirus and antispam AVG would probably suffice.

Thanks for the information.

48 posted on 01/10/2009 6:53:58 AM PST by pctech
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