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Do comic books lean left?
csmonitor ^ | 01.09.09 | Marjorie Kehe

Posted on 01/09/2009 10:59:22 AM PST by JoeProBono

With a comic book aficionado about to be sworn in as the president of the United States, it’s no surprise that comic book makers are eager to capitalize on their new inside-in-the-beltway connection. But is it true that comic books are now turning partisan? It’s been all over the news this week that Marvel Comics is planning a special issue Jan. 14 , 2009, issue of Amazing Spider-Man #583 with Obama on the cover. Inside are five pages of Obama-Spider-Man escapades, as Spider-Man stops the Chameleon from spoiling Obama’s swearing-in....“Even Comic Books Crawling with Pro-Obama Bias?,” asks Ken Shepherd at Newsbusters."

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TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: comicbooks; comics; liberalmedia; obama; spiderman; superheroes
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1 posted on 01/09/2009 10:59:23 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

My Zero sense is tingling......down in my leg.


2 posted on 01/09/2009 11:00:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: JoeProBono

Spider monkey says so ...


3 posted on 01/09/2009 11:02:26 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: JoeProBono

...no they don’t.

Media bias is all in your head. :)


4 posted on 01/09/2009 11:03:15 AM PST by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: JoeProBono

All this has to do with is the fact that STan Lee is a leftist and he has the ability to do such things. He’s like other libtard hollyweird wanna be political types who want to be part of the in crowd in DC. Stan has always been seen as a nerd and this gives him some sense of self worthiness, especially with a new Prez that is into comic books.


5 posted on 01/09/2009 11:03:27 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: JoeProBono

Anyone over 15 still reading comic books has issues.


6 posted on 01/09/2009 11:05:32 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: JoeProBono
"Do comic books lean left?"

It depends on how they're placed on the bookshelf. Try using a brick or something to keep them leaning more to the right.

7 posted on 01/09/2009 11:05:34 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: JoeProBono
Spiderman hangs out with Obambi, they killed Captain America, they neutered Superman into a wishy-washy international hero and GI JOE is not an American soldier anymore, but an acronym of a Brussels based international "super secret elite force" fighting against fantasy villains.

Draw your conclusion.

8 posted on 01/09/2009 11:06:38 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light!)
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To: JoeProBono

Is Urkel the new version of Plasticman?


9 posted on 01/09/2009 11:09:59 AM PST by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Stan Lee hasn’t been associated with Marvel for years. Obama-Spider-Man special writer David Colton is the man who gets credit for this.


10 posted on 01/09/2009 11:10:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: JoeProBono

comic books and the people in the industry, yes.

did you miss x-men 3, the movie? you didn’t pick up on the hard association between mutants and homos?

the whole civil war thing was bs. and now they tore up peter and mj... definitely lame (yes, i catch up with the happenings once a year or so... comical rocks)


11 posted on 01/09/2009 11:12:27 AM PST by sten
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To: SolidWood

I’m waiting for them to turn Green Lantern and Green Arrow into eco-crusaders. . . .


12 posted on 01/09/2009 11:16:46 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: JoeProBono

http://accstudios.com/


13 posted on 01/09/2009 11:16:56 AM PST by FrPR
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To: JoeProBono
I always thought putting real-world figures into comic books was a sign of the writers' laziness. The characters in comic books inhabit alternate worlds. Could 9/11 have happened in a world populated by the likes of Superman or S.H.I.E.L.D? Would the same people be in power in a world where the Earth routinely comes under attacks by cosmic menaces like Galactus and Darkseid?

Comic book writers do things like this out of laziness and a desire for intellectual masturbation. But, it rarely leads to good stories.

14 posted on 01/09/2009 11:18:32 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: JoeProBono

Now that I think of it, 0bama and Spiderman have a lot in common. In no particular order...

1. They’re both young an inexperienced with where they are in life.

2. Both were injected with poison in school.

3. People have/will die when he makes bad decisions.

4. Both give the press exactly what they want, but boy do they pay for it.

5. Are you kidding? Just look at those muscles!


15 posted on 01/09/2009 11:18:42 AM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: JoeProBono

Yes, for the most part, comic books do lean left.

It has gotten worse since adults buy most super hero comic books these days.

I used to be a heavy DC buyer and a bit of a Fawcett collector. Every so often I would leaf through or purchase a Superman comic book. In recent years, an obvious Rush Limbaugh parody was really seeking acceptance by the more sophisticated newshounds, Clark and Lois Kent (they were married at the time). He brought them doughnuts.

Lex Luthor was trying to blackmail a lesbo D.A. (or something) who was obviously public minded.

Luthor was changed from a mad scientist to an evil businessman/power broker. Captain Marve;’s nemesis Dr. Sivana was also changed into a businessman (ol’ Shazam’ll zap somebody for that!)

Now, it has gotten worse over the last few years, but it was already pretty bad in the ‘70’s. Lois Lane became a bit of a feminist (not much of a strecth), and shared a pad with diverse roommates. Harmless enough. Jimmy Olsen grew out his hair and dropped the bow tie. Not a bif deal. But “pollution” was responsible for the end of the Superman robot fleet (except for some Fortress of Solitude guard duty).

One of the last issues of Green Lantern/Green Arrow portrayed a lightweight eco-terrorist in a Christ-like manner, spread cross style on an airplane. (He also had a full beard and was wearing no shirt, in case the effect was too subtle.)

There was one issue of Superman that was considered almost Randian,and also received lots of negative feedback and some positive. That was when the Guardians of the planet Oa called Superman up and told him he had to let people do more for themselves. It seems that whenever Superman ran into , say a Mexican town hit by an earthqquake or something, the people would want him to not just rebuild all the houses (child’s play for him, as long as the border patrol doesn’t stop him from moving supplies), but also to make them better. they accused him of retarding man’s progress, and that they should do the extras themselves.

There was another issue where Superman and Batman (in World’s Finest) underwent a philosophical debate. Supes was arguing that man was innately good, and Batman that he was innately evil. They come upon a seeming primitive paradise. I forget how it turned out.

There was also another cool issue where Superman was stuck behind the iron curtain without his powers.

Businessmen have been portrayed negatively from Action #1, with a munitions manufacturer trying to stoke wars between South American countries so he can sell to both sides. I don’t mind that as long as there are also crooked politicians, space aliens, street thugs and gangs and foreign dictators (both left and right if they insist) to balance the load.

The comic books were propaganda tools in WWII, but were (for the most part quiet during Korea and Vietnam. In part of necessity. Superman’s powers had gotten so ridiculous that any serious war could only be waged under his suffrance.)

Most of the comic writers and editors are urban NYC types. That affects things.

What about Marvel? that comic company whose heroes are always riddled with angst of one form or another? Stan Lee is, and always has been a hard lefty. ‘nuff said.


16 posted on 01/09/2009 11:20:20 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JoeProBono
Do comic books lean left?


17 posted on 01/09/2009 11:20:46 AM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Badeye
Anyone over 15 still reading comic books has issues.

Read Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Maus, Sandman, the Marvel Civil War or Identity Crisis (just to name a few) and you'll know otherwise

18 posted on 01/09/2009 11:20:56 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Salgak

19 posted on 01/09/2009 11:22:19 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: FrPR

20 posted on 01/09/2009 11:24:09 AM PST by JoeProBono (Apparitions are in the eye of the beholder)
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To: sten
the whole civil war thing was bs.

It was kind of thoughtful and touched on some real issues in those worlds- I mean, these masked vigilantes have been running around for decades blowing up large chunks of Manhattan. I'm surprised they've been given free reign for so long.

But it looks like they're going to undo everything by making it all a Skrull plot.

21 posted on 01/09/2009 11:24:41 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Salgak
Green Arrow's always been openly left-wing, in contrast to the Barry Allen Flash or Hawkman, who were always shown as conservatives.

And there are about 5 human Green Lanterns, with varying personalities (the youngest is pretty left-wing)

22 posted on 01/09/2009 11:26:44 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: JoeProBono

23 posted on 01/09/2009 11:27:25 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Salgak
I’m waiting for them to turn Green Lantern and Green Arrow into eco-crusaders. . . .

Wouldn't be a shock with Green Arrow. He's been an outspoken liberal for years. Even ran for mayor once, I believe.

24 posted on 01/09/2009 11:28:52 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Badeye
Anyone over 15 still reading comic books has issues.

Only if he has more than one. If he has only one comic book, he has but a single issue (better make it a 100 Page Super Spectacular or an Archie Double Digest).
25 posted on 01/09/2009 11:28:58 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JoeProBono

The recent big series like Ultimates and Avengers and Hulk have many elements of “the US is being warmongers”.

The whole “SuperHero Registration” thing played it up too, although 50% of the heroes took the side of the govt.

Mostly it comes out in little comments, but there is still are characters like Iron Man and others who seem conservative and for business.


26 posted on 01/09/2009 11:30:03 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: JoeProBono

Doesn’t our constitution let the writers lean any way they want?


27 posted on 01/09/2009 11:31:35 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Wouldn't be a shock with Green Arrow. He's been an outspoken liberal for years. Even ran for mayor once, I believe.

In his case, it might be a shtick to keep on Black Canary's good side. Black Canary must have the least practical costume ever created. In her secret identity she has long black hair. As Black Canary she puts on an even longer blonde wig. and wears high heeled boots and fishnet stockings. The bad guys are staring at her so she can let out her one lame-o super power, the Sonic Whammy.

On the other hand Green Arrow's alter ego also has a blond William Tell van dyke beard and a perfect physique. That teensy mask that GA wears cannot disguise the obvious resemblance.
28 posted on 01/09/2009 11:33:07 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JoeProBono

Not only do comic books lean left, the whole world leans left. What Conservatives need to realize is that they are a very small minority in the world and in America.

Those with true Conservative principles probably amount to fewer than ten percent of the American population (even a lower percentage of the world population). Of course, most people don’t really care about politics or political principles. That’s why it is so important Conservatives keep themselves in the public eye and constantly reassert their Conservative principles and state why Conservativism is the superior political and economic philosophy.


29 posted on 01/09/2009 11:36:16 AM PST by FFranco
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To: JoeProBono

They completely lean to the left. Visit the web sites and blogs of some comic book creators and will find some of the most insanely liberal people on the planet. I was on one of them during the election, arguing against the Palin smears. I was told that I need to factually substantiate that the “facts” about Palin were not true. When I pointed out that no one on the blog had produced any evidence in their favor, the response that I got was that the accusations against required no proof because they were common sense.

Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are sources of hard information to these people.

What’s always been interesting to me is how the increasingly liberal leanings of comic creators has impacted their product. Superhero comics are inherently a conservative genre. There are good guys and bad guys. The bad guys do morally bad things. The good guys fight for moral values like truth and justice. Those elements fit in perfectly with a conservative world view. They are a problem for liberals, who are into moral relativism and shades of gray.

The result, I believe, is the train wreck that you have in the world of comics today. The good guys are populated by anti-heros like Wolverine and the Punisher. Guys who were formerly on the side of the angels are making deals with the devil. (See Spider-Man.) Moral certitude has been replaced with agonizing through a universe of moral ambiguity. And the bad guys aren’t really bad. They’re just misunderstood. They’re just fighting for something different. A lot of them have turned out to be decent guys who end up reforming.

Comic books used to be fun escapism when I was a boy. But then, the liberals who made them were conservative by today’s standards.


30 posted on 01/09/2009 11:37:08 AM PST by Shadowfax
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To: Citizen Blade

Sorry, but nope.


31 posted on 01/09/2009 11:37:14 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Fair enough point.


32 posted on 01/09/2009 11:38:38 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Marvel Comics has always been leftist, nothing really new to this other than the MSM decided to report on it.


33 posted on 01/09/2009 11:39:02 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Citizen Blade

Green Arrow has always been a flaming leftist, As a fan of Green Lantern, I have always hated the crossovers that have brought his whiney butt into my comics.


34 posted on 01/09/2009 11:40:13 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Badeye

What makes you think comic books are only for kids, or the immature? There are certainly comics aimed at kids, but there are also plenty of comics on the market that deal with adult issues and themes.


35 posted on 01/09/2009 11:41:18 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Tzimisce

Didn’t the Media investigate and clear themselves of Media bias?


36 posted on 01/09/2009 11:41:58 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: JoeProBono
Do comic books lean left?

Not all.


37 posted on 01/09/2009 11:43:33 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: JoeProBono
This may be a good time time to unload my collection from years ago. I've been hoping for a boost in value but wasn't expecting much in the current economy. My grown son is not interested, he wants my ‘67 Pontiac.
38 posted on 01/09/2009 11:44:07 AM PST by existtoexcel
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To: Dr. Sivana
Black Canary must have the least practical costume ever created.

I have to disagree:

Maybe it's practical if she's moonlighting at Scores, but she's going to fall right out of it as soon as she starts fighting evil.

39 posted on 01/09/2009 11:46:09 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: JoeProBono

I have a bunch of copies of LIBERALITY FOR ALL as well as Libarro World, which is sort of an insert.

Funny thing is the notion of a “Senator Franken” or “Senator Caroline Kennedy” could be right out of these dystopian works - published just a few years ago...


40 posted on 01/09/2009 11:50:10 AM PST by FrPR
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To: stuartcr
Doesn’t our constitution let the writers lean any way they want?

As you no doubt already know, our Constitution prohibits the Congress from enacting any legislation which penalizes these writers for writing whatever they want.

The Constitution is utterly silent on the topic of private citizens criticizing the writers, on any grounds those private citizens choose.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are enjoyed by all citizens, not just professional writers.

A "Fifth Grader" should be capable of understanding that simple fact. Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

41 posted on 01/09/2009 11:53:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Citizen Blade

(chuckle)

You say so....


42 posted on 01/09/2009 11:54:49 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, I agree that freedom of speech and freedom of the press are enjoyed by all citizens, not just professional writers.


43 posted on 01/09/2009 11:55:56 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: JoeProBono

I never really got that impression, and I’ve collected and read them for years.

guns
violence
big, oversized boobies on hot chicks.

Never really saw a liberal bent.

However, libs love to reinterpret them.
I saw one guy on TV say that X-Men and mutants represented homosexuals struggling for acceptance in a hostile world.

Of course, then there was the gay Canadian mutant Northstar.
What a fag.


44 posted on 01/09/2009 11:58:45 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: stuartcr
I agree that freedom of speech and freedom of the press are enjoyed by all citizens, not just professional writers.

I hope you can see, then, that your question was both idiotic and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Good day, sir.

45 posted on 01/09/2009 12:04:22 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
I saw one guy on TV say that X-Men and mutants represented homosexuals struggling for acceptance in a hostile world.

The X-Men were sort of a civil-rights analogy back in the 1960's, with Professor X as MLK and Magneto as Malcolm X.

Over time, they've sort of become representative of any oppressed group.

Of course, then there was the gay Canadian mutant Northstar.

The've made Colossus gay in the Ultimates universe. In DC, the new Batwoman and Question are lesbians (Rene Montoya as the new Question is one of my favorite new characters that DC has focused on in the last couple of years).

46 posted on 01/09/2009 12:12:11 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: stuartcr
Doesn’t our constitution let the writers lean any way they want?

Yes, and it also allows others to criticise them for it. Get it?

47 posted on 01/09/2009 12:17:51 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: FFranco
Not only do comic books lean left, the whole world leans left.


48 posted on 01/09/2009 12:37:09 PM PST by Skid Marx
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To: JoeProBono
Wolverine is pretty much a Libertarian Canadian, and the Punisher is certainly Conservative...


49 posted on 01/09/2009 12:38:34 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: JoeProBono

This particular book is just a PR move by Marvel to sell more books. It has really nothing to do with partisan politics other than taking advantage of the Cult of 0bama to sell books. They’ll probably bump their Spider-man numbers all told by 50k to 75k in the $3.99 40 page periodical format.


50 posted on 01/09/2009 12:42:13 PM PST by A message
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