Posted on 01/11/2009 9:18:59 AM PST by FreeManN
Berg could file for injunctions with the SCOTUS indefinitely. It doesn’t give the case any merit.
The biggest fear of the Supremes is not what you posted, in my opinion. It is rioting in the streets that would make the sixties look like a garden party.
I think there would be incredible civil unrest, rioting, god knows what if this election were overturned.
I really am reassured when I hear that the USSC is afraid to follow the constitution because of some perceived mob threat.
Oh, you got me! And I use his "bitter clingers" speech as my ringtone.
Think about it.
If nothing else, Zero the Antihero's continued refusal to lay his cards face up on the table for all to see has ensured and resulted in the SCOTUS, not to mention how many lower courts, being tied up with having to address the matter. This takes time, resources, people, and MONEY. More so, every minute spent dealing with this issue, or non-issue as the csae may be, takes that same time, resources, people, and MONEY away from other cases.
It makes no sense to do what 0 has done and continues to do, UNLESS he—to borrow from his own phrazemology—”HAS SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.”
I laughed this off at first. But the longer it has dragged on and the more I've watched how 0's peeps have scrambled to head off any new cases and/or movement forward on the old/pending cases, I am convinced there is something here.
What it all comes down to is all sides are playing poker. The ONLY players in the game who have had to show their cards are those who have CALLED 0bambi’s BET. WTH? He gets to keep playing the same hand but never has to show his cards, while everyone else starts with new cards from a fresh deck, and it is for them a new hand and round? Huh? That makes no sense. I've yet to hear the dealer (courts?) say “YOU WIN, 0bambi.” It's always, “You LOSE, challenger.”
IF I understand what I am seeing, then the courts have NOT declared Zed the winner. They have only told the challengers that they have yet to win. MAYBE they are doing all they can to hint at the fact that they know 0 has a losing hand, but the challenger(s) has/have to come up with the cards to beat it? Could it be that they are saying by their actions "DON'T STOP; KEEP TRYING?" Maybe. The SCOTUS will need this to be airtight and buttoned up, if they can be expected to rule against 0bami. This is the big dance, guys and gals. The ramifications of a ruling against 0 would set this country and the world on its ear. For that reason alone the SCOTUS will not move forward unless and until it is a slam-dunk certainty that this guy is not only ineligible but guilty of crimes (perjury, tampering, conspiracy, et al) that will lead to criminal prosecution and prison. Yes, the charges have to be that egregious and the outcome has to be that certain and. Otherwise, no dice.
The Kenyan is playing cards that he was never dealt. Given how this has gone and continues to go, the challengers can beat him only if they can lay all 52 cards on the table. At that point 0's cards become the “Emperor's NO Clothes.”
Too many people here have been watching Superman ( Truth, justice & the American way). That all went out in the 60's when the Commies gained control thru schools, churches, media, movies,etc. Today everything is total corruption. Nothing is going to happen with this fakeroo. Power takes precedence over the law.
Mob? I don’t think so. Half the country voted for him. I don’t think fear plays a part,,pragmatism may or realpolitik or whatever. It would take more, breathtakingly more, courage on the part of this court than I have seen in my lifetime.
Half the population on a tear would be something we haven’t seen in this country since the civil war.
In a funny way it reassures me that the court would proceed very very delicately given the consequences.
Same with me. I laughed it off at first, now I'm convinced. Also the lawsuits will escalate once he is actually sworn in. It will be easier. Everything he does or tries to do citizens can band together and file lawsuits and they will. There are many waiting to be filed right now.
They have done something. If these cases were an "API fantasy" why put the cases on the docket? They didn't even have to move the cases to conference.
We have seen riots in several major cities before. Half the country will not riot. Most will get up in the morning and go to work, at least those dems who have a job.
The lower courts have only stated that the complainants did not have standing or have said nothing. IMO, they have merit alright.
Is that sorta like needing to get George Washington's signature on it? Nothing is going to happen. Now if the 62 million that voted against Barry were to be know to riot, then we might here the case. The pacifist will get s*%# on.
SCOTUS has been watching this for a while, and they learned a thing or two from Fitz, when he yanked the bait and sprung the trap when it became clear to him that he was about to catch something much bigger than he had set out to catch and far larger than his trap could contain and he could deal with.
IF the Zedi warbler is dumb/arrogant enough to take the oath and assume the office, knowing that he is ineligible and a fraud, then he is as guilty as he can possibly get of as much as he can possibly be guilty of. They don't want—NEED—to catch him with his hand in the cookie jar; they want—NEED—to catch the whole of his inglorious be-haloed self deep enough inside the cookie jar so that there is plenty of headroom left over when they slam the lid shut.
A. The amount of time justices have spent pondering these frivolous cases can probably be measured in minutes.
B. No court has ordered Obama to produce his birth certificate. At any rate, they'd have to order Hawaii to produce the vault BC as it is the state's property, not Obama's.
C. Even if produced, Berg's followers would just claim it's a forgery.
D. Even if proven authentic, Donofrio's followers would claim it doesn't matter due to his Kenyan father's lack of American citizenship.
E. Should SCOTUS rule in the affirmative on Obama's natural born status, they'll just be accused of legislating from the bench.
Where would it end with the conspiracy crowd? The people who want to believe that Obama isn't eligible to serve as President will never be convinced otherwise.
He will never gain standing. Whatever the merit it is not going to ever come through Berg.
Americans were not prohibited by the US from going to Pakistan, it is just that at that time visas to Americans were not being granted by Pakistan.
The chief reason his BC* from HI would be sealed is that he was legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro when Mama Stanley Dunham married the fellow.
* If indeed there is one. This fellow is a very slippery character, note please, that on his Illinois Bar Registration, he claims to have never been known by another name. This is very weird.
If you think they will not rubber stamp Obama...oh well.
Once the SCOTUS throws it down to a lower court, then he’d have to file that stuff with them. Ask the resident constitutional scholars like Congressman Billybob about whether the case has merit before you go down that troll path. There’s a big sign: “Going down this path makes you a CoLB troll”. You’re likely to end up on lj’s list of CoLB trolls.
How is it frivilous? It has been ruled that he has no standing to bring the issue forth.
***First: That could be due to the fact that damages were “theoretical” until Obama became Pres Elect. The case has not been thrown out due to lack of standing since that time. Second, if he could not ever have standing, the case (along with the other 3 that have been forwarded) would never have been forwarded. Third, the fact that they’ve been discussing this stuff in conference shows that it is not frivolous, and your reply does not address this, which is typical of a troll who seeks to misdirect.
All he has to do is make an application with the Supreme Court to have his Writ to request a conference. It is not referred or forwarded by any other court.
***This does not make sense. You might want to elaborate on it.
He can not do it. Thats why. But it will be swept under the rug along with the rest of the shreds of the Constitution. With this bunch it is a dead duck.
We have seen riots in several major cities before.
***Like she said, it would make the 1960’s look like a garden party.
Half the country will not riot.
***But they’ll support those who do.
Most will get up in the morning and go to work, at least those dems who have a job.
***Most = 50.1%. That leaves a quarter of the country to riot. Some who look at that math are in BLOAT mode. It turns out, zer0bama is the best gun salesmen in the last 40 years.
No he has them hidden in a boys life magazine in his bathroom.
As for the 62 million voters? I am not so sure.
Break that 62 million down.
Take away the non-dim “I am giving the finger to the GWBA administration” voters.
Take away the non-dim “I am sending a message to the Republican Party” voters.
Take away the non-dim “I am going to punish the GWBA and/or Republican Party” voters.
Take away the non-dim “There's no way in H3ll I am voting for John McCain” voters.
Take away the non-dim “There's no way in H3ll I am voting for Sarah Palin” voters.
Take away the non-dim “There's no way I am voting for McCain AND Palin” voters.
Take away the non-dim “I am voting for something other than the status quo, even though I cannnot tell you what a satus or a quo is, or what that something I am voting for is” voters.
Take away the non-dim “I am scared I'll lose my Medicare, Social Security, government subsidized ____________” voters.
How much of that 62 million figure remains?
We can take away some more if we need to.
A lot of really good people voted for Zed for a lot of really bad reasons, including a lot of people who saw him as the least bad among really bad choices.
The party-line dimmiecrat bread and circuses crowd voted for a good time on the promise of someone else’s dime. They're going to learn a hard lesson in party planning in a couple of weeks, when they experience firsthand just how much fun one can have for how long on a ten-cent promise.
Riots are not a major concern.
bo’s support is a myth. He got the votes of supposedly 20%? of US population, not 50%. Much of the supposedly 20%? was fraudulent. His supporters are gutless liberals, drug addicts, and the ignorant dregs of our society, non of whom will riot. His radical-islamist supporters may riot, but that is what Gitmo is for, to put the terrorists in permanent incarceration where they are no threat to mainland USA.
No, the Supremes are not concerned about riots if they declare bo ineligible. Their major concern is a certain terrorist attack on Washington if bo gets control of the CIA, the Military, the Justice Dept. etc.
I’d never say never. The Supreme Court could take the case because they have broad discretionary powers for review for reasons they see a probable constitutional crisis taking place.
(Lafayette Hill, PA – 01/09/09) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States and his case, Berg vs. Obama, [is in the U.S. Supreme Court with two (2) Conferences scheduled on 1/09/09 & 1/16/09] announced today that the U.S. Supreme Court has “not” made a public decision yet regarding his case. Berg said, “I am making these remarks because of the ‘wrong’ statements circulating that the case of Berg vs. Obama in the U.S. Supreme Court has been dismissed. We checked with the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday afternoon, January 9th and “no” decision has been made. We will have to wait until at least Monday for the decision regarding what took place at the Conference on January 9th.
So there ya go....we have to wait until Monday, the 12th.
I wouldn’t get my hopes up, nor would I send Berg any money.
If nothing else, Zero the Antihero’s continued refusal to lay his cards face up on the table for all to see has ensured and resulted in the SCOTUS, not to mention how many lower courts, being tied up with having to address the matter.
A. The amount of time justices have spent pondering these frivolous cases can probably be measured in minutes.
***Bull shiite, trolldrewd
B. No court has ordered Obama to produce his birth certificate. At any rate, they’d have to order Hawaii to produce the vault BC as it is the state’s property, not Obama’s.
***And your point is?
C. Even if produced, Berg’s followers would just claim it’s a forgery.
***Many would. And Polarik would examine it with his jaundiced eye, sell his book and make money off it. Lucky for him. Exactly how does this further your point that the courts WOULDN’T be tied up? It doesn’t.
D. Even if proven authentic, Donofrio’s followers would claim it doesn’t matter due to his Kenyan father’s lack of American citizenship.
***Again, how does this further your point? It doesn’t.
E. Should SCOTUS rule in the affirmative on Obama’s natural born status, they’ll just be accused of legislating from the bench.
***By trolls like you. I can live with that.
Where would it end with the conspiracy crowd? The people who want to believe that Obama isn’t eligible to serve as President will never be convinced otherwise.
***It ended with me when zer0bama produced his CoLB online, for everyone to see. But...wait. IsraelInsider produced compelling evidence that it was a forgery. So did Polarik, et al. Maybe zer0bama should never have produced that forgery. Where will it end? Good question. A better question is: How does that further your point? You troll all over these threads and lately your posts have grown addlepated and schizophrenic, trolldrewd.
I think that’s enough evidence to put you on the CoLB troll List. I’d welcome you to FR, but you’re just a troll.
Just release the damn BC. Until that time no one will convince me otherwise that he is legit.
Absolute utter nonsense.
Tin foil or not, if a person who is elected President of the United States of America is not required to produce an original birth certificate, our justice system is broken beyond repair.
If the USSC does not respond to this, and require an original birth certificate of the elected person, as required by law, then what other more important requirements or laws are they willing to ignore?
I think we should burn the constitution and then just do whatever the majority of voters want. Maybe we can vote for Hugo Chavez next time.
I have no idea what that means. I don’t see how stating the obvious makes me a troll.
What is it with you 0bama Trolls?
It wasn't a birth certificate.
It was a certificate of live birth. His sister has one too, and every one knows she was born in Indonesia.
Sheesh.
I was making the point that that is what I THINK he thinks, as putting it to rest.
Berg et al. are barking up a tree. I’m sorry you are offended by that observation. Go ahead, send him your money.
Join the club. There's a lot of us on LJ's list. I dunno. Maybe there's gonna be a great Day of Reckoning or something? Who knows...
You’re just parroting the standard troll lines we see again & again, arguing from silence and other classical fallacies, ignoring substantive questions that throw your position into a harsh negative light. Standard troll stuff. That stuff is “stating the obvious” in trollville.
one could hope...
Ah, such fond memories of the bugzapper thread when a bunch of RINO trolls committed freepercide. But, we digress. Back to your trolling.
We’re well on our way to that. There are some who are more dangerous than Hugo Chavez.
LOL! :D To be perfectly honest, I don’t care what it means. It seems people don’t like having their notions challenged. And God forbid if they are challenged you must be labled as some sort of traitor. Give me a damn break!
In case people don’t have the website http://www.obamacrimes.com/ Berg is seeking your funds. Please help the cause.
He has made reference to the long form BC, but refuses to release it.
If the COLB put it to rest, there wouldn't be any court cases right now.
Even he knows this.
I stand by my accusation that you are an 0bama Troll.
To me it is more of an amusement how people can be played by Berg on their hopes. Ring a bell?
You can stand by anything you wish, just please try not to stand next to me.
When Jim wants to turn this forum --a forum that he's spent more than a decade building into a formidable internet voice for spreading conservatism, into Conspiracy Tin-Foil Republic, he's welcome to zot my account.
What's funny is I haven't even had as much as a single post removed by the mods. Every last post I've written in regards to this conspiracy is still standing. Can you say the same? Didn't think so.
“I’m wondering that too...has any of this even happened?”
It really does not matter here in the Matrix.....
Donofrio was denied cert because it limited the issue to intent of Founders re: NBC.
Berg hasn’t yet been granted because he did not have standing until the demorats foolishly rammed through bo’s certification in Congress. Now Congress has no jurisdiction over bo’s ineligibility. It is in the hands of the Supreme Court and Berg now has standing as do all the people harmed by bo’s fraud.
But perhaps the strongest cases are Lightfoot and Keyes. That is what the SC has been waiting for, the strongest case on which to rule.
If the SC does not find bo ineligible then the next round of Military cases will go to the SC. This will NOT end until bo is ruled ineligible to be POTUS. It is as simple as that.
Some ignorant obots have made a big deal about the fact that no case has been granted cert. herefofore. The ignorant obots talk about the Supremes scheduling cases for conference as a mere courtesy. NONSENSE! If the Supremes have been courteous it is to bo. They are giving him the chance to resign and not go to prison for countless crimes of dishonesty.
The supremes take an oath too, are they supposed to just forget it and go with what ever Howdy Dowdy and the Mickey Mouse club say, just this one time??
I am not a Bergite, or an Anti-Bergite.
This is about a man who would be POTUS, trained from the start in Chicago politics, hiding something that shouldn't need hiding.
An observant person with a sense of smell can always tell when there is a bad potato in the bag, and 0bama is a bad potato.
You either wish not to notice the smell, or you are bad too.
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