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Ancient rock art baffles experts[UK]
Telegraph ^ | 15 Jan 2009 | Matt Ford

Posted on 01/15/2009 3:19:11 PM PST by BGHater

Matt Ford scours the countryside for enigmatic rock carvings left by our ancestors.

While some people dream of the warm sun of southern Spain for their retirement, David Jones chose high fells, the sharp teeth of a gale and the quest to find 5,000-year-old artwork. "I decided to build a new life when I retired," says the former IT marketing specialist, as a bitter wind whips through his hair. "I wanted the last third to be quite different from the first two thirds. I walk a lot, I work with charities, and I do this."

"This" is joining more than 100 other Gore-Tex-clad volunteers scouring the moorland of north-east England, searching for traces of the enigmatic and weirdly beautiful carvings our ancestors made on stretches of flat rocks and boulders. The project is a collaboration between English Heritage and Northumberland and Durham County Councils. So far, more than 100 previously unknown carvings have been discovered, featuring a mysterious mix of concentric circles, interlocking rings and hollowed cups. They are broadly dated between 4,000 and 6,000 years old.

"Sometimes you do need the eye of faith to spot them," he says. "I could come up here seven or eight times and not see anything, and then suddenly, in a different light, a panel would be revealed right in front of me." Together with a group of volunteers we wade knee-deep through the heather of Barningham Moor, Co. Durham in search of one of the volunteer's most impressive discoveries, with the wind tearing in from the west, swirling curtains of fine rain.

No stone unturned: rock art in Northumberland

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancients; godsgravesglyphs; neolithic; rock; uk
Find England's Rock Art on the web at archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/era

See Also:
FR-Perthshire Rock Art Sheds Light On Scotland's Prehistoric Past

FR-New Prehistoric Rock Carvings Discovered In Northern England

1 posted on 01/15/2009 3:19:12 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


2 posted on 01/15/2009 3:19:56 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Cronos

Take a look at some of this stuff. You were posting materials the other day from the Indus that looked just like this stuff ~ but this is a bit older!


3 posted on 01/15/2009 3:21:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: BGHater
Ancient rock art baffles experts[UK]

Yeah. In the UK these days, an On/Off switch baffles experts.

4 posted on 01/15/2009 3:27:00 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

both settings in the UK are mostly off.


5 posted on 01/15/2009 3:29:54 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: BGHater
Ancient Rock Art Baffles Experts:

It baffles me as well...

6 posted on 01/15/2009 3:35:41 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BGHater

When the original rock art album cover for "Smell The Glove" came out, experts were similiarly baffled:

How much more black can it be? None more black."

7 posted on 01/15/2009 3:36:26 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: BGHater
Hmmm....I guess the aliens were waiting for the Brits to get civilized. Crop circles are much easier to make than rock art.


Crop Circle ca 2002


Rock circle ca 3000 BC
8 posted on 01/15/2009 3:55:11 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: presidio9
"They must be made to smell The glove"

Spinal Tap

I forget, did that come from Mr. Tufnel or Mr st. Hubbins?

9 posted on 01/15/2009 3:59:25 PM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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Over 100 Neolithic Stone Carvings Found In Northumberland[UK]
24 Hour Museum | 31 July 2008 | 24 Hour Museum Staff
Posted on 07/31/2008 10:46:50 AM PDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2054381/posts

Weird Rock Carvings Puzzle Archaeologists
New Scientist | 10-9-2003
Posted on 10/09/2003 11:44:15 AM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/998310/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/neolithic/index


10 posted on 01/15/2009 4:38:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BGHater; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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11 posted on 01/15/2009 4:38:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BGHater; SunkenCiv; All

Thanks for the links. When I saw this before I read where it was my first thought was New Grange, then it seemed that I remembered seeing something similar at Malta. For the heck of it I checked Gloria Farley’s, “In Plain Sight”, but there was nothing similar. If her finds cover 3,000 to 1,000 years ago, and these circles cover 4,000 to 6,000 years ago, that would make sense.


12 posted on 01/15/2009 5:25:35 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: shibumi

“Spiral Dance” ping.

[ya either “get” Phi or ya don’t]


13 posted on 01/15/2009 5:37:11 PM PST by Salamander ( Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: gleeaikin; SunkenCiv
Pinwheels in the sky?IMAGES AT LINK

Surprisingly, comets do not always appear as sweeping brooms in the sky. When viewed at the correct angle and orientation, while the comet is outgassing appropriately, a comet can actually appear as a spiral "pinwheel." Below are some photos and a short movie of comet Hale-Bopp in 1997 when it was in spiral display.

SAHARA

TARXIEN TEMPLE MALTA

TUCSON ARIZONA

14 posted on 01/15/2009 6:05:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks! Excellent.


15 posted on 01/15/2009 6:24:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks to me like is’t proof that “modern art” aint so modern after all.

Art that tells you nothing. Depicts nothing.

I can just hear the carver saying in self satisfied joy. “It’s all about the circle maaaaaan! The circle, dontchu getit?”


16 posted on 01/15/2009 8:32:14 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: muawiyah
Nope, didn't post any rock-paintings pictures. From the indus valley you get: 1. planned cities, 2. advanced sculptures and iron works (the famed Harappan Dancing girl for one), 3. writing

From the northern part of the punjab you have the settings for the writing of the Vedas.

These, while very nice, are rock paintings, from an earlier era and dating to Cro-magnon man. You have the same rock sculptures in Spain, in France, in North Africa, in the Middle East and in Deccan India (Bhimbisara caves) dating to even earlier times.

they also date from 3000 BC which seems a bit off as the first structure at Stonehenge was being built at that time, these must be earlier
17 posted on 01/16/2009 4:40:31 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: BGHater
Well, Jackson Pollock baffles me. I like this stuff better, though :)
18 posted on 01/16/2009 4:50:29 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
I'm reminded of some of the petroglyphs I've seen out West. Like these from Mesa Verde.
19 posted on 01/16/2009 4:53:46 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: BGHater; SunkenCiv

Among the Hopi, who appear to be descended from the Pueblo people (who built Chaco Canyon, Mesa Verde, etc), a spiral is a symbol for a “long journey”. Spirals very similar to the ones described in this article are found associated with most of the Pueblo culture ruins in the Four Corners area.


20 posted on 01/16/2009 6:08:35 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: mewzilla

I’ve been to that petroglyph.


21 posted on 01/16/2009 6:10:50 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: SunkenCiv
The explanation for the prevalence of spiral designs is simple: They are easy to execute.

No surprise that different people at different places used them for decoration — before they developed more complex designs.

22 posted on 01/16/2009 6:16:06 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Cronos
BTW, you and I are "Cro-magnon Man" for the most part. They are the first known Eur-Asian modern humans. Jet planes and atom bombs also date from Cro-magnon Man as it turns out.

Note, those are not ROCK PAINTINGS, the material is CARVED into the rock, just like the same symbols are carved into the rock on some of the background stuff in things you've posted. This stuff is several thousand years older.

I think you may not realize how widely traveled ancient people could be when they didn't have massive ice fields in their way.

Did you notice the "crop circle" formations for some of 'em?

23 posted on 01/16/2009 10:26:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Fred Nerks; Cronos; All

Thanks for the images. Do you have date on the Tucson carvings? Someone suggests that these might be Cro-Magnon. While we are probably descended in a significant degree from CM, CM culture is considered to be 20 to 30,000 years old. These kind of spirals were showing up in Britain a lot later than that.


24 posted on 01/17/2009 4:55:50 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

No, can’t help with dating, sorry. There are several more examples of petroglyph spirals at the link in my comment.


25 posted on 01/18/2009 2:29:53 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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