Skip to comments.Hitler vs. Obama (Historical similarities)
Posted on 01/19/2009 8:55:43 AM PST by crazyshrink
During the summer of 1920, Hitler chose the swastika, an ancient symbol historically used by many cultures, to be the Nazi Party emblem. By 1921 he had secured virtually total control of the Nazi Party. During that time Hitler also plotted to overthrow the German Weimar Republic by force. On November 8, 1923, he led an attempt to take over the local Bavarian government in Munich, in an action that became known as the "Beer Hall Putsch."
The coup was ended after a brief gunfight with Munich police. Himmler, Goering and Hess also participated in the putsch. Hitler was arrested and charged with treason. He successfully used the subsequent trial to gain publicity for himself and his ideas. Following his trial, he was sentenced to five years in Landsberg prison, but served only six months.
During his prison term, Hitler began to dictate his thoughts and philosophy to co-conspirator and cellmate Rudolf Hess, which became the book Mein Kampf (My Struggle). It became the blueprint for Hitler's political plans. In Mein Kampf, he contended that Germans should expand east, liquidate the Jews and turn the Slavs into slave labor. Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's political and economic problems.
While in jail, Hitler realized he would have to take control of Germany by legal means, not through revolution. He increased the size of the Nazi Party, even though the government had banned it. Hitler's Brown Shirts terrorized political opponents on the streets, which discouraged political competition. During that period, Hitler also created the infamous Schutzstaffel (SS), which was initially intended to be Hitler's bodyguard under the leadership of Himmler.
National politics - 1929-1934
The collapse of the American Wall St. stock exchange in October 1929 lent fuel to a worldwide depression, which had hit Germany especially hard. All loans to Germany from foreign countries dried up, German industrial production slumped, and millions became unemployed. Unemployment in Germany had reached 43 percent by the end of 1932.
Those conditions were fertile ground for Hitler and his Nazi campaign. The Nazis became the second largest party in Germany. Hitler also began to win over the support of both the army and the big industrialists, the latter contributing substantially to Nazi Party finances. Both groups hoped Hitler would return Germany to its former pre-World War I status and glory. He assured top army leaders that the Nazis would reject the punitive Versailles Treaty and rearm Germany.
I think most people have seen similiarities. I’m glad someone has compiled them in one place.
Thanks for posting.
For the last 8 years, according to the anti-war crowd, GW Bush was the next Hitler......history was never a strong point for code pink anyway......
What strikes me is that at least Hitler had the courage to fight for his country in WW1 while Obama thought about joining the military before befriending left wing terrorists.
Both are ass clowns,.
You’ve titled the post Hitler V Obama, yet the text of the post is entirely about Hitler. The provided link is also without word of the promised similarities. Maybe you should have titled your post “Hitler”.
I’d have been interested in seeing some analysis on Hitler’s similarities to Obama. Most anyone knows the simple similarities. But if all you’re doing is leaving it for me to draw my own, what good was your post?
That is one thing that I have noticed with the left. They act “jealous” when they perceive that the right is “stealing” their true objectives before they can do them. Always the cynics and always promoters of victimization and “catastrophy” in order to use the catastrophies to further advance their causes.
I question the source and reasoning of/for association.
I deliberately chose not to write a vanity using my own thoughts to compare them. Most people dislike vanities.
As fellow conservatives, I believe each of us can readily think on our own and see the similarities of Obama and Hitler for ourselves. I simply provided a brief historical overview of Hitler’s rise to power from which to draw our own conclusions.
This would not be the case for the leftists amongst us. They would simply act like teenagers and scream, yell, and debase the comparison and the contributors.
That was the first thing that struck me, Obama didn’t join the military.
Of course I still think this had something to do with his citizenship issues. Especially during his college years.
I guess I go under the assumption that those who are ignorant of history are often bound to repeat it.
“That was the first thing that struck me, Obama didnt join the military.”
Or did he? Could one consider his time in the Muslim school in Indonesia as a sort of “military”?
I find it amazing Paulson allowed the final monetary collapse to come just before the election.
Always the cynics and always promoters of victimization and catastrophy in order to use the catastrophies to further advance their causes.
This has always been part of the socialist methodology. It is not new to Obama and our radical left. They cannot provide anything positive or constructive (true validity) so they must use a sick relativism via victimization and crisis to further their perverted pursuit of power.
Keep a real close eye on this “administration” AND THE CONGRESS. You will see and hear plenty of it -— recognize it and those that use it and remember it, write letters to GOOD Congressmen, and make your list for 2010 and 2012.
It seems you are assuming Paulson is the one who had this power. If I recall correctly, Sen. Chuck Schumer was questioned about the timing of his release of info on the first collapse of a big bank which opened the MSM parade of pessimism on all banks.
“I guess I go under the assumption that those who are ignorant of history are often bound to repeat it.”
You may use Santayana for brevity sake.
I’ll start (for convenience, I’ve used the present tense):
Both are fundamentally fascist in their outlook on the interaction between state, capital, labour, and individuals.
Both are psychologically scarred by their abnormal and abusive upbringings.
Both, if Jeremiah Wright is any indication, believe in a master race and are deeply ensconced in issues of race as the key to political mastery.
Both are relatively thin.
Both arguably manipulated economic issues and exacerbated political tensions to ensure their rise to power. Hopefully Zero will be unsuccessful in using these issues to maintain his grip on power.
Both depend upon fear and intimidation of political opponents (e.g., Zero’s numerous lawsuits against people who criticized him during the campaign).
On the other hand, there are important differences. For example, Zero smokes and appears to eat meat. Thank goodness we don’t have a vegetarian in the WH.
Feel free to chime in with others.
Fair enough, FRiend.
Posting crazy Internet chain email like this might lead people to think you need to see a shrink. You can do better.
Obama stated that he is going to change the world, but first he has to change this country. I believe he is more of an International Socialist like Stalin than a National Socialist like Hitler.
I’m sorry, I see no comparison at all. And I consider myself a conservative who is able to think, and draw his conclusions, on his own.
I have never seen/read/heard of Obama wanting to exterminate anyone. Other similarities or comparisons are merely attempts to make oneself feel better about him/herself.
As for having served in the military as being a determining factor for leading us (I’m an active duty Navy Senior Chief currently in Iraq)...that’s hardly the case. Few presidents in recent history served actively. Fewer still in times of war. And, still fewer who served are in Congress and/or the Senate.
The “right” howls when Bush, or any other “conservative” is compared to Hitler, Stalin, or any other lunatic from the past by the “left”. Why should we, those same “conservatives” feel we have the right to draw such comparisons? Sorry...I just don’t see them. Just my two cents, all are free to think/feel and draw their own conclusions. Those of us in uniform do our best to see to that. Stay safe. God Bless...
Did you give any serious productive thought to what you posted before you posted it? I direct your attention to the word allowed.
The finality of the monetary collapse was "allowed" by many politicians for many years. A reasonable case exist that that the monetary collapse began with the "Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.
“Feel free to chime in with others.”
I’d prefer to have some more information concerning the article source.
I’m not comfortable with the statements made in the article nor with the correlations made (regardless of who they may be made of/about since I’ve seen similar done to many)
That was the intent of my post, nothing more, nor less.
Both are relatively thin.
LOL....that’s very weak.
Thank you for your service to this country!!!
Your post (#20) is exactly why I chose NOT to make this into a vanity post by including my opinions.
You shared your opinion and I totally respect it.
The more I ponder his abilities/lack thereof, I suspect his placement has been to groom the black community into accepting a future merging of Canada, the US and Mexico.
Had a Hispanic/Latino come before the merging, a large political sentiment of resistance would remain in the black community.
Granted it’s lunatic fringe, but I suspect there do exist a lot of powerful people who would reason in that fashion to promote his Administration.
“Both..believe in a master race”
Obama is half white, half black....hehe what the hell man.
“Both are relatively thin.”
For the love of God I don’t even know what to say to that. I really hope your post was satire because if it wasn’t, you are batshit crazy and need therapy and meds.
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer
ping for a laugh later.
Coming soon to Amazon: “Mein Audacious Kampf!” by Barak Hussein Obama and Bernadette Dorne
Chapter One `How We Got the Whiteys to Stop Infecting Us With AIDS’
Chapter Two `I Appoint Comrade Bill Ayers to Secretary of Defense’
Chapter Three ‘My Pastor Leads The House in Prayer (Five Times A Day: “Allah Damn America”)’
Chapter Four `Night of the Long-knives’, Removing Guns and Sharp Objects From the Yahoos
Chapter Five `My Own Civil War’
(Ed. note. Th-th-th-th-that’s all folks!)
“A must read!” Maureen Dowd
“Too many big words, but I like! I like!” Kathleen Parker
“Couldn’t put it down in the bath-houth ... “ Frank Rich
“I saw the book was worth a look, it really cook so I jus’ took ...” The Most Reverend Jesse Jackson
Here is the link to the source of the historical info:
It is the same link provided when one clicks the “Internet” listed as the source of the article.
Thanks for asking for the clarification.
I completely agree that we all have our own opinions but, the title of your post, as noted earlier, implied that there would be direct comparisons with which to make conclusions. That wasn’t the case.
While we’re all free to draw our own conclusions, those same conclusions should be based on facts and figures. Not on our own perceptions and personal biases. Direct comparisons require direct facts, the old “apples to apples”, to back them up. The left has never done that, hence our revulsion when such comparisons are made. We, the “conservative right” can never expect the “liberal left” to stop making such illogical comparisons until we ourselves do. Facts win out everytime...except in this election.
The main difference: Hitler had a brain. Totally evil. But a brain.
One of my “hobbies,” I guess you could say, is studying Nazi Germany and the World War II period. As I was doing so online these last few days, I have been struck by the similarities between the rise of Zer0 and the rise of Hitler, one similarity being most of the MSM. Nothing negative could be written, or said, about “The One.”
Scary. Very scary.
A great, if there could be such a thing, history of Hitler. Where’s the one of Obama for comparison? There’s no clarification here, other than proving what you wrote about Hitler is fact. That was never in doubt as far as I was/am concerned.
Both Hitler and Obama can speak in soaring oratory except Hitler would not have needed a teleprompter. Hitler was able to write a few words on a piece of paper and do a whole speech from that (a gift he shared with Lenin). Obama needs his speeches written out for him and he is an embarrassment without a prepared text.
“While were all free to draw our own conclusions, those same conclusions should be based on facts and figures. Not on our own perceptions and personal biases.”
I supplied the “facts and figures” from the History.com website. A site I don’t see as too biased or with a political agenda.
I deliberately left out my own comparisons to avoid what you describe as “our own perceptions and personal biases”.
It is impossible not to include “our own personal perceptions and personal biases” in our interpretations of the article. That is why it was left to the discretion of the readers to form thier own opinions. And based on the responses, that is what has happened and that is what my interest was...other opinions, biased as they are.
And yes, I agree, in hindsight I could have improved the title by putting a question mark (?) after the the title to make it more clear.
#423 Paragraph a: The first person to mention Hitler loses the argument.
Please, if you would, post some of the similarities. I’m not a student of history, but have read a bit. I would like to see/read them so I can draw my own conclusions with some rational thought behind them.
Jeez...I can’t believe it actually appears as if I’m defending Obama. I hope my wife doesn’t read this or I’ll never live it down. I must be more tired than I thought after having to get up at 0230 to watch my Steelers beat the Ravens live vice on replay. On that note...good night all. I look forward to signing in tomorrow to read some cold, hard facts. Or, some close similarities.
I admit to assuming folks on FR were quite aware of Obama’s biography so as to be able to make comparison’s with what I posted.
Since that may not be the case, here is a link to one:
I have not read this bio and make no claims about its accuracy or content.
Thank you for your courteous reply.
Prior to my initial post, I did go to the site (as you subsequently posted).
My query still remains as to the validity of this site (not to slight you in any way btw).
It appears that this site is a travel site, either for, of or about the state of Oregon (other?), sanctioned or not.
Perhaps I’m mistaken or too tired, but I still ? the source.
Whether I agree or not with the associations made, I prefer to have some better degree of source citing.
Again, I thank you for your reply.
The facts and figures from the History.com website were all on Hitler. It would be nice if there were there a similiar site wrt Obama. And there may be in a few months/years.
You’re absolutely right. Even after reading everything, facts, figures and everything else, we’ll still have our own perceptions and personal biases. Myself included. I guess that’s just one of the great things about living in our society. Or as my mom would say, “My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts.” Stay safe...
Now that’s a good comparison!
Here are a just few of the things I noted in my own comparison:
Hitler...Swastika, symbol of cultural unity
Obama....Revised version of presidential seal b/4 inaugeration
Hitler...orator on crisis in his country
Obama....orator on crisis in his country
Hitler...youth corps, etc (brownshirts, SS, Gestapo)
Obama....new org. of his campaign volunteers, etc., urging gov’t svc.
Hitler...studied ways to overthrow German gov’t from within
Obama....studied with communists, Muslims, socialists,
Hitler...had key people with him from early on and brought to power with him
Obama....has key people with him from early on and is nominating them for key positions of power
Hitler...got industrialists, MSM to support him
Obama....democrat led congress giving billions to banks, etc., donating millions to his causes, i.e Soros, etal., MSM “ga-ga” over Obama
Hitler...arrogant and “god-like” perception of himself
Obama....arrogant and “god-like” perception of himself
Hitler...orated on “change” for the “victims”
Obama....orates on “change” for the “victims”
Heh. Nice try. Look into it as I do and draw your own conclusions. And if wifey reads your posts and shuts you out (if ya know what I mean) just mark it up to the Zer0 factor, and deal with it. It’s for the common good, after all - HopeyChangey! (Here’s where you do the ‘Spock’ thingie with your hand)
Congratulations to the Steelers. Hope the Cards win the SB and they keep the Steelers from surpassing the Cowboys in SB wins.
His first name comes from the word that means “blessed by God” in Arabic.
In the Kenyan town where his father was born, the long-brewed “Senator” brand of beer has been nicknamed “Obama.”
U.S. Senator from Illinois since 3 January 2005.
Won a Grammy for Best Spoken Word for the CD version of his autobiography “Dreams From My Father” (2006).
Lives in Hyde Park (Chicago).
On “Late Night with Conan O’Brien” (1993), he revealed that President George W. Bush nicknamed him “Bama” and “Rock”.
The movie he saw on his first date with Michelle Obama was Do the Right Thing (1989).
One thing to notice was that the loyal democracy loving Germans had a conundrum when they saw Hitler coming to power. Some managed to get into exile and help revive the GDR when Hitler was removed, through massive force that was unavailable to the loyal democratists. The other choice was to fight from within, placing their love of democracy higher than their love of Germany.
A better historical analogy was Caesar crossing the Rubicon, signaling the end of the Roman republic.
Here’s a hypothetical I posted at Intrade, which generated some insightful conversation.
Here’s a set of hypotheticals for you. Let’s say you’re a loyal Roman republican with 5 buddies watching Caesar cross the Rubicon with his army, and you know full well what that means for the Roman republic. What is your duty at that point?
Let’s say you’re a loyal German who believes in democracy and you see Hitler making tanks instead of VW’s as he has promised the peepull. What is your duty at that point?
Let’s say you’re a loyal american constitutionalist and you see a marxist usurper cheating his way to the presidency, you file a lawsuit and it gets thrown out of SCOTUS within a week of the inauguration. What is your duty at that point?
I know, I know... no one ever really addresses a good hypothetical. Here’s an example: If the sky were green, would more people have green eyes? Many people say stuff like, “of course the sky ain’t green” or they go into the physics behind why the sky ain’t green or they ask you why you aren’t in with the yellow-eyed crowd or they say green-eyed people are just monsters or all kinds of things, but they never really address the hypothetical. So I shouldn’t hold out any hope that you’d be different.
But at least I’m on record with trying to stop this constitutional travesty and if I wander back to my farm in the highlands rather than continue the fight through further futile Roman Empire politics, that’s my business. The only guy who survived in that movie of ‘300’ was the one whose job it was to tell the history.
Roger, those I can follow. Sorry, I wasn’t looking at things from that perspective. Thanks...
We, the wife and I, draw our own conclusions...and sometimes we even agree! And she doesn’t like Obama either...that’s why she’d be surprised I sounded like I was defending him.
Hell, I’m out here in Iraq...I’m already as shut out as I’m gonna get for a while. And with that, I had a totally different reading the first time with “do the Spock thingie with your hand”.
Sorry, Steelers get #6! They would have had it in 2005 if Neal O’Donnell hadn’t thrown away SB 30 to the Cowboys.