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Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
AP ^ | 25 minutes ago | By DEB RIECHMANN

Posted on 01/19/2009 10:37:26 AM PST by DBCJR

WASHINGTON (AP) — In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; bush; immigrantlist; pardon; ramoscompean
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1 posted on 01/19/2009 10:37:27 AM PST by DBCJR
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To: DBCJR

Good, ‘bout time!


2 posted on 01/19/2009 10:41:09 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: DBCJR

YES!


3 posted on 01/19/2009 10:41:29 AM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: DBCJR

It’s about time! Thank you Lord! Prayers answered!


4 posted on 01/19/2009 10:41:32 AM PST by notaliberal
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To: DBCJR

GREAT news!!


5 posted on 01/19/2009 10:43:24 AM PST by CarolTX (Onward through the fog)
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To: DBCJR

GREAT news!!


6 posted on 01/19/2009 10:43:37 AM PST by CarolTX (Onward through the fog)
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To: DBCJR

I’m doing the same dance I did when John McCain picked Sarah Palin.

Every once in a while, they do something not just right, but TOTALLY RIGHT!!


7 posted on 01/19/2009 10:44:43 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: DBCJR

Halleuyah!!

I guess a comuting of a sentence is not as good as a pardon, but welcome in deed!!


8 posted on 01/19/2009 10:44:57 AM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: DBCJR

Wow, that is amazing, I had to be sure this wasn’t some kind of satire. I am happy for those gentlemen.


9 posted on 01/19/2009 10:45:35 AM PST by mel (Obama- show me the BC)
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To: DBCJR

Finally!! I’m so happy for them, sorry they had to serve as long as they did. It’s not as if he pardoned FALN terrorists so his wife could get more votes.


10 posted on 01/19/2009 10:46:08 AM PST by Aliska
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To: mel; AgThorn; autumnraine

While I am a believer that “Justice delayed is justice denied,” I am very well pleased that this reidculous blyte against our nation has ended. How do we ask law enforcement agents or military to put their lives on the line when we do this to them?


11 posted on 01/19/2009 10:49:13 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

Who was the judge who sentenced them ? That’s what I want to know.


12 posted on 01/19/2009 10:49:32 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Eaker

Ping

I had hoped, but didn’t think he would do it.


13 posted on 01/19/2009 10:49:33 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DBCJR
Hailllleeeuiouiiia!!!!!!!!!!
14 posted on 01/19/2009 10:51:48 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: libh8er

I don’t know, but the Federal prosecutor was Bush’s pick to go down there for this purpose. The fact that the case was prosecuted and that Bush “commuted” vs pardoned tells you something about Bush. I am an avid supporter of George Bush but he got it VERY wrong here... and a few other places... not near as bad as the MSM lied about.


15 posted on 01/19/2009 10:54:19 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR

Very Good news...now how about Scooter?


16 posted on 01/19/2009 10:54:51 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: DBCJR

Thank you, President Bush. I suppose better late than never.

God bless Ramos and Compean. Their prayers have been answered.


17 posted on 01/19/2009 10:55:26 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: DBCJR

The pardon vs commute...I heard on the radio several days ago that the President could not pardon those two but could commute. Maybe someone with the knowledge of the law regarding these two issues could discuss this. I know one is forgive the conviction and the other finishes the sentences but the conviction stands...but why could the President not, by some law, pardon these two?


18 posted on 01/19/2009 10:57:50 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: celtic gal

Fox News is saying that Bush saw what Libby said as being untruthful, therfore, saw him in a different light. I don’t know if this means he missed the bus on a pardon or commutation or not.


19 posted on 01/19/2009 10:58:08 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: celtic gal

A pardon wipes his slate clean. A commutation says they served their sentences, still guilty, still on their record.


20 posted on 01/19/2009 10:59:49 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

President Bush should NEVER have prosecuted them. The prosecutor was specially picked by Bush and this reflects Bush’s desire to “play ball” with the Mexican Government who was calling for action. They saw this as an act to close our borders, i.e., enforce our laws. This was NOT Bush’s finest hour, as reflected in a commutation vs a pardon.


21 posted on 01/19/2009 11:03:02 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: DBCJR
They should have been pardoned. Now they wont be able to get a job at McDonalds because of a felony conviction. The only thing a commutation means is that the government won't have to give them three hots and a cot.

Georgie you come up short again...

22 posted on 01/19/2009 11:05:23 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: DBCJR
"A pardon wipes his slate clean. A commutation says they served their sentences, still guilty, still on their record."

I don't know about anybody else, but if I was an employer in that area, I would bend over backwards to see to it that these men had good jobs. The idea that they will be "marked" by their experience and that no one would hire them would only apply if a business owner were a leftist democrat.

23 posted on 01/19/2009 11:06:25 AM PST by redhead (Get ready to step into the Era of Hopey Changeness)
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To: DBCJR

Bush did the right thing. If they had not tried to cover up what they had done and were convicted, they should have been pardoned. As it is, shooting the guy shouldn’t have gotten them fired. Hiding evidence and trying to cover up what they did is not excusable. Commutable, but not pardonable...

Once again, Bush makes the right call.


24 posted on 01/19/2009 11:06:48 AM PST by Hootch (Another perspective)
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To: DBCJR

Great news!!!


25 posted on 01/19/2009 11:09:49 AM PST by Ros42
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To: thackney

Bush surprised me!


26 posted on 01/19/2009 11:10:28 AM PST by Eaker (I am Going to Give B. Hussein O. The Very Same Respect the Media Gave George Bush.)
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To: Eaker

“Bush surprised me!”

I’m not surprised. I was expecting this. Prayers are answered. Thank God.


27 posted on 01/19/2009 11:13:37 AM PST by DaltonNC
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To: DBCJR

But what about Scooter Libby who has been completely screwed over?


28 posted on 01/19/2009 11:15:40 AM PST by aruanan
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To: celtic gal

From what I understand from the article on Fox News, a pardon is typically requested 5 years after the prison term has ended. Since these guys are getting out in March, they’ll have to request a full pardon from President Palin.


29 posted on 01/19/2009 11:17:19 AM PST by Softballmom
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To: DBCJR

Thank you God!

Thank you Mr. President!

Please pray they remain safe until they are out of that place.


30 posted on 01/19/2009 11:20:10 AM PST by jdietz ("There's small Revenge in Words, but Words may be greatly revenged" Ben Franklin)
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To: Eagle Eye

My sentiments exactly.


31 posted on 01/19/2009 11:22:06 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Softballmom

That would be great.

Good news.


32 posted on 01/19/2009 11:23:42 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: DBCJR
Lot of people got their lives ruined by this piece of stupidity.

When "W" was firing prosecutors for being screw-ups he somehow overlooked Sutton.

We won't forget Sutton ~ he's out of politics RIGHT NOW FOREVER.

33 posted on 01/19/2009 11:26:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DBCJR

Wonderful news. :o)

Thank you, President Bush!!!

I knew he’d do it.


34 posted on 01/19/2009 11:28:00 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Hootch

thank you for the common sense response. :o)


35 posted on 01/19/2009 11:31:09 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: DBCJR

The first time I ever heard about this case, I knew something had gone terribly wrong with the country. Bush’s failure until now to release them merely confirmed my worst suspicions.


36 posted on 01/19/2009 11:31:24 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Tomorrow begins our descent into Hell.)
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To: Softballmom

thanks for that added info!


37 posted on 01/19/2009 11:32:03 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: DBCJR
What? No white envelope pardons? No sudden contributions to the Bush Library? No extended relatives suddenly lobbyists for drug dealers and thieves and terrorists?

Oh, wait, that was Clinton and will be Obama. Well, hide the kids, the moral deviates are back in charge.

38 posted on 01/19/2009 11:33:34 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: DBCJR

An article on Breitbart said it would take about two months for them to be released after this.

Is this true, and if so, why does it take so long?


39 posted on 01/19/2009 11:36:52 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: DBCJR
Unless I'm mistaken this isn't nearly as good as a full pardon.Sounds like Bush is doing things in half measures...as usual.
40 posted on 01/19/2009 11:42:46 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama's worst fear is that the fat Governor will sing!)
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To: Softballmom
From what I understand from the article on Fox News, a pardon is typically requested 5 years after the prison term has ended. Since these guys are getting out in March, they’ll have to request a full pardon from President Palin.

I think I've heard pretty much the same thing.But my understanding is that any President can legally grant a full pardon (or a lesser degree of clemency) to *anyone* at *any* time after the commission of *any* Federal offense.

41 posted on 01/19/2009 11:48:29 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama's worst fear is that the fat Governor will sing!)
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To: Hootch

You are absolutely right! Communting their sentence was the appropriate thing to do.


42 posted on 01/19/2009 11:49:44 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

President Bush should NEVER have prosecuted them. The prosecutor was specially picked by Bush and this reflects Bush’s desire to “play ball” with the Mexican Government who was calling for action. They saw this as an act to close our borders, i.e., enforce our laws. This was NOT Bush’s finest hour, as reflected in a commutation vs a pardon.


43 posted on 01/19/2009 11:49:56 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You’re probably right. I was just doing some wishful thinking with regards to which President should pardon these guys.


44 posted on 01/19/2009 11:50:41 AM PST by Softballmom
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To: ShandaLear

President Bush should NEVER have prosecuted them. The prosecutor was specially picked by Bush and this reflects Bush’s desire to “play ball” with the Mexican Government who was calling for action. They saw this as an act to close our borders, i.e., enforce our laws. While I remain a Bush supporter, this was NOT Bush’s finest hour, as reflected in a commutation vs a pardon.


45 posted on 01/19/2009 11:51:14 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: IrishCatholic

I will NEVER forget where I was when the cigar story of the Lewinski Scandal hit primetime news. I was seated in a pastor’s living room with his wife and two young daughters present. I excused myself and went to the restroom for about 20 minutes, I was so embarrassed.


46 posted on 01/19/2009 11:54:39 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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But do they get any back pay? Are they reinstated for their jobs?

I’m celebrating for them. Johnny Sutton is a donkey’s rear end and Bush’s continued support for him is unforgivable.


47 posted on 01/19/2009 12:41:52 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The American Form of Government . . . http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm)
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To: DBCJR

thanks w


48 posted on 01/19/2009 12:43:48 PM PST by usshadley (crying racism--the new "last refuge of the scoundrel")
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To: HighlyOpinionated

No, they don’t get backpay. They are STILL guilty. A commuted sentence simply says their sentence has been served. This was not a pardon.


49 posted on 01/19/2009 12:52:55 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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Thank You Mr. President!


50 posted on 01/19/2009 12:58:29 PM PST by WellyP
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