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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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To: CFC__VRWC
heliocentrism is considered to be just as much of Satan as the ToE is around here

frothing-at-the-mouth hyperbole placemarker.

Can you give specific quotes from representative freepers that heliocentrism is Satanic?

...and actually, it's not geocentrism that's wrong. It's egocentrism.

(Sorry to bring up Obama in a nice crevo food fight.)

Cheers!

251 posted on 01/28/2009 7:38:23 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: YHAOS

Never been to DC, and there aren’t any winners in a crevo thread, just survivors. All you people watching out there - welcome to FreeRepublic!


252 posted on 01/28/2009 7:39:01 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: CFC__VRWC; metmom

Ummm, you got all ass-backwards, it’s metmom not playing your silly game, besides Einstein, I’ve yet to see you try to reason with coytoeman for his “burnings at the stake”, “inquisition”, and “theocracy” hysterics each and every time your cult was so much as challenged with a sneeze of doubt or dissent.

Get a clue and a grip.


253 posted on 01/28/2009 7:39:35 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: grey_whiskers

My point exactly. It’s easy to say you speak for God or know what God wants.


254 posted on 01/28/2009 7:40:50 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Perhaps, for those looking for words to twist, I should have phrased that as, "It's easy to say you speak for God or say you know what God wants."
255 posted on 01/28/2009 7:42:34 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: CottShop

I understand the banning now now since I perused the entire thread, and of course your post to me.

Personally, I like contention out here. I do not mean disruption for the sake of it, but I appreciate that often times reasonable people will disagree.

I really hope that I never get banned again from FR.com because it is simply my favorite on line place to be.

I tend to lurk more than I post, and I post a lot.

Regards.


256 posted on 01/28/2009 7:42:55 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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To: Radix
I learned that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the lack of AIDs research funding and that he was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands. A lot more than Science is being promulgated in those liberal enclaves.

Based on my understanding, which is limited since I was born 1981 and haven't given much attention to HIV/AIDS history, President Reagan did drag his feet on acknowledging HIV/AIDS.

That inaction may have indirectly delayed scientific research (via Federal funding).

However, I wouldn't hold President Reagan personally responsible for any of those deaths. The science - again, based on my limited knowledge of the subject - was still evolving then.

It sounds like the professor in question should have been told to tone down his rhetoric.

257 posted on 01/28/2009 7:43:34 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: tacticalogic; YHAOS; metmom
No problem. Pretty much everybody knows what flame bait and veiled threats look like. I’ll just let the thread speak for itself.

Do you think pretty much everybody is equally capable of recognizing projections when they seem them too?

258 posted on 01/28/2009 7:44:34 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: YHAOS
Looks like you're projecting. But, keep talking.

projecting?

tacticalogic?

Nooooooooooooo....

(next be on the look out for "You're projecting". "I win").

259 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:22 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

MM, to speak of heliocentric vs. geocentric is to speak of the motion relative to the observer. Does the earth turn beneath the stars or do the stars spin around the earth? Is there a way of finding the answer?

Perhaps one of the “we” of “we wouldn’t cram you into that box” crowd could help out here. They are pretty good at cramming so maybe they’re good at explaining ..........


260 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:40 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tpanther
Do you think pretty much everybody is equally capable of recognizing projections when they seem them too?

Pretty much, particularly if they don't have emotional attachments to the issues.

261 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:52 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; YHAOS
Ain't nobody going to wet their pants over some anonymous poster on an internet chat forum telling them what they better say or not say about what happened on a thread.

But now socks...

262 posted on 01/28/2009 7:48:44 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB
The question he asked - is Sarah Palin a Creationist? - is valid. That was never settled.

The secondary question -- whether someone being a creationist should disqualify them from public office -- is very troubling to a ...Free Republic.

Nice try at sweeping bigotry under the rug.

You need to address the question in context: to what extent would her creationism (if present) inform her policy and appointment choices to such an extent that it would really screw the country? And if they would, why can't we ban liberals from public office?

Learn to think your *own* positions through several layers deeper (and without retorting by strawman or ad hominem, otherwise you may occasionally come across as a liberal mouthing memorized platitudes, even after they have become non sequiturs to the point at hand.

Cheers! Cheers!

263 posted on 01/28/2009 7:48:49 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tpanther

If there were teeth, that could be blood, but it isn’t.


264 posted on 01/28/2009 7:49:58 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Gumlegs
You're missing the implication. I'll speak up.

Do you yourself really believe, accept at face value, adhere to, accept, or affirm the claim that "God was with the Nazis [as they claimed of themselves]"?

If not, why not?

If so, why?

265 posted on 01/28/2009 7:53:01 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Gumlegs

We’re not all Catholics, Gumlegs. A Pope is just as fallible as the rest of us in this fallen world, as far as I’m concerned. I greatly admired Pope John Paul II, and believed him to be a Godly man, though.

As far as the fey little “oh, please,” you tell me how parents can raise children in their faith, with all of officialdom in opposition to doing so.


266 posted on 01/28/2009 7:53:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: CE2949BB
which is limited since I was born 1981

Oh! You're a child.

I have hope that you will grow out of your intellectual swashbuckling stage in time.

Cheers!

267 posted on 01/28/2009 7:54:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CE2949BB; metmom
Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming, "It's not science! Junk science! Make it go away!" doesn't address the problem and doesn't convince voters.

Except of course when it comes to the cult of darwinism, it works just fine then metmom.

268 posted on 01/28/2009 7:54:53 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB; tpanther
Accepting the reality of the science doesn't mean you're rejecting God (in the case of evolution) or that you want to dictate what kind of car a person drives (in the case of climate change).

Likewise, accepting the reality of God doesn't make you anti-science like cm used to accuse everyone who disagreed with him of.

You're attempting to frame this in a "cultural war" context, which simply isn't valid.

It is a culture war and science is the weapon of choice with which to bludgeon Christianity with. It's being used to push religion out of schools in the name of science. It's been used to make out Christians as being ignorant and anti-progress.

The culture war is between the ideology that's hijacked science and Christianity.

It would do good for you guys to see that and rescue science from their grip. Evos refusal to do so only reinforces the idea that evos are throwing their chips in with the liberals/atheists/God haters.

You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that you are not also liberal/atheist/God haters if you don't speak up against the abuse and misuse of science instead of justifying or excusing what they do.

269 posted on 01/28/2009 7:57:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
You don’t “ping” someone who’s already here.

Well, I guess you needed to correct me on something. Glad you found it.

270 posted on 01/28/2009 7:59:22 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: RegulatorCountry; Gumlegs

Jesus Himself speaks of creation and the creation of Adam and Eve.

Or was Jesus a liar, Gumlegs?


271 posted on 01/28/2009 7:59:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
Never been to DC, and there aren’t any winners in a crevo thread, just survivors.

OK, if you say so. But, if you’ve never been to DC how do you know there are no winners? (I’ll avoid the obvious rejoinder)

272 posted on 01/28/2009 8:00:42 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

We done?


273 posted on 01/28/2009 8:01:33 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom

I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Please, cite examples.


274 posted on 01/28/2009 8:01:43 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: YHAOS

Been here over 10 years. Haven’t seen any yet.


275 posted on 01/28/2009 8:02:16 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
We’re not all Catholics, Gumlegs. A Pope is just as fallible as the rest of us in this fallen world, as far as I’m concerned. I greatly admired Pope John Paul II, and believed him to be a Godly man, though.

You didn't really pay attention, did you? I pointed out that I I posted the Pope's piece because it demonstrates how one can be serious about one's religion -- you will allow that the Pope was serious about his religion, won't you? -- and still accept that the Theory of Evolution is science.

As far as the fey little “oh, please,” you tell me how parents can raise children in their faith, with all of officialdom in opposition to doing so.

They can see to their childrens' religious instruction. Are there police stationed at your church refusing to allow the congregation to enter?

276 posted on 01/28/2009 8:03:49 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: tacticalogic
Been here over 10 years. Haven’t seen any yet.

So you *admit* you're a loser? ;-)

Cheers!

277 posted on 01/28/2009 8:05:18 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Somehow, try as I might, I just can't see God as being with the Nazis. Of course, I can't see some of the self-appointed Bullhorns for God here as speaking for Him either.

God told me so Himself.

278 posted on 01/28/2009 8:07:07 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: grey_whiskers

I’ll claim to be a survivor. :)


279 posted on 01/28/2009 8:07:28 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Gumlegs; wendy1946; wagglebee; metmom; Jim Robinson; tpanther; little jeremiah; Sam's Army

Shame on you for exhibiting the errors of a senile old man.

His departure from God’s word must now be an embarrasment to him in the presence of the Lord, and hopefully he is unaware of what you are doing here.


280 posted on 01/28/2009 8:07:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Gumlegs
Without the sarcasm, then, how *did* you decide God was not with the Nazis?
281 posted on 01/28/2009 8:08:21 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CE2949BB; tpanther
Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming, "It's not science! Junk science! Make it go away!" doesn't address the problem and doesn't convince voters.

No it doesn't convince the voters. That's why the evo/atheists end up suing creationists and Christians into silence in the public school system, because they couldn't convince the voters and get their own way otherwise.

282 posted on 01/28/2009 8:09:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CE2949BB

You should get your head examined because it was you that brought Sara Palin up in the first place and politics and so on...


283 posted on 01/28/2009 8:09:36 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB

I was not long out of high school at the time. No one knew what GRID (and that’s what they called it, then) was at the time. He didn’t delay any research. He could not have acknowledged an unknown. He and Nancy were very good friends with a victim of the disease, Rock Hudson.

You’re being too credulous regarding a leftist myth.


284 posted on 01/28/2009 8:09:37 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: tacticalogic
"Been here over 10 years. Haven’t seen any yet."

Oops!

285 posted on 01/28/2009 8:12:04 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

You figure you’re going to win something?


286 posted on 01/28/2009 8:12:53 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
"We done?"

Yaaawn.

287 posted on 01/28/2009 8:13:26 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Looks like it.


288 posted on 01/28/2009 8:13:53 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom; All

Creationism, since it is based on the Christian Bible, doesn’t have a place in the public school system. The public school system, which must educate children of parents who belong to many different faiths and none at all, must remain neutral.

There isn’t anyone stopping you from sending your child(ren) to a private, religious school or homeschooling.

Dressing Creationism up in scientific jargon - that is, Intelligent Design - doesn’t convince the scientific community or judges, either.

Show me an atheist that supports Intelligent Design and you may be able to convince me that ID isn’t dressed up Creationism.


289 posted on 01/28/2009 8:17:23 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

Dover.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District


290 posted on 01/28/2009 8:18:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gumlegs
Are there police stationed at your church refusing to allow the congregation to enter?

You name one of the few respites remaining, and think you've scored a point.

And, do you honestly believe that Pope John Paul, II uncritically accepted the entirety of ToE, without exception? I can assure you he did not.

291 posted on 01/28/2009 8:19:12 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: metmom

I’m familiar with the Dover case. Creationists attempted to smuggle Creationism into a public school and had their asses handed to them.


292 posted on 01/28/2009 8:20:03 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: tacticalogic
"You figure you’re going to win something?"

Every day I wake up breathing, I've won. Every time people reveal themselves and don't know it, I've won all I need to. I'm not greedy and I'm not prideful. I'm mostly grateful.

293 posted on 01/28/2009 8:20:12 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: CE2949BB
Show me an atheist that supports Intelligent Design and you may be able to convince me that ID isn’t dressed up Creationism.

Atheism sort of precludes a designer, unless you're talking space aliens or something. See Scientology.

294 posted on 01/28/2009 8:21:39 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: CE2949BB
Creationism isn't exclusive to Christiainity, nor do Christians universally subscribe to a single creation doctrine.

Christianity has a place in public education, along with other religions as philosophy, where IMHO, it proves to be head and shoulders above the other religions of the world. But it is not science.

295 posted on 01/28/2009 8:22:12 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: YHAOS
Every day I wake up breathing, I've won. Every time people reveal themselves and don't know it, I've won all I need to. I'm not greedy and I'm not prideful. I'm mostly grateful.

That qualifies you among the survivors.

296 posted on 01/28/2009 8:23:07 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
You’re being too credulous regarding a leftist myth.

That seems to be a weakness of the evos for everything from that to the flat earth accusations against creationists to the creationists wanting to take us back to the dark ages.

297 posted on 01/28/2009 8:25:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Are we going to go over this, all over again? I thought you and I settled this.

Maybe you can work Creationism into a comparative religion class - Christians believe X, Muslims believe Y, Buddhists believe Z - or as part of the history of science - as an example of primitive beliefs on the origin of earth/life - but you can’t teach it as science because it isn’t science.

Period.

Deal with it.


298 posted on 01/28/2009 8:26:18 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

Then you do have an idea of what I’m talking about after all.

I thought so.


299 posted on 01/28/2009 8:26:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CE2949BB
Maybe you forgot how badly Sarah Palin was mocked - rightly or wrongly - for her supposed Creationist beliefs? Whether or not she is a Creationist (that's open to debate), she was mocked and belittled for being a Creationist. You can't expect the American people to elect a person to a position of power when they believe something that is rejected by mainstream science. Same goes for climate change. Instead of rejecting the reality of climate change, the debate should be on the political response. It's impossible to have a voice in a political debate when you refuse to acknowledge the reality that led to the debate. Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming, "It's not science! Junk science! Make it go away!" doesn't address the problem and doesn't convince voters.

I know why Sarah was mocked as the mocking MSM proudly proclaimed that the overwhelming majority of 40 and under COLLEGE educated crowd were Bama supporters. Animal Farm is reality, the most 'fittest to survive' are the ones more equal than the rest. Enjoy your victory.

Now the scientific methodology became precedence by the Supremes as only acceptable dogma in their houses of worship around 40 + years ago. And the taxpayer taking to fund your houses of worship has produced the perfect election. You all wanted God out of your means and methods and so you now have it, be happy.

The majority of Bama followers are NOW going to get to live under that scientific methodology.

And as Bama proclaimed you all would get back to 'real' science, most likely it will require 'hate crimes' legislation to punish and retrain anybody who knows and stands against a crack pot theory of primordial soup.

Kinda like Daniel getting tossed in the proverbial lions den.

300 posted on 01/28/2009 8:27:02 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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