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The terrible US Senate will get only worse if DC admitted unless Texas goes nuclear
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Posted on 02/07/2009 6:13:48 AM PST by bestintxas

The recent betrayal of the GOP by liberal Northeast Senators Collins and Specter has crossed a line that cannot be redrawn. Conservatives have lost the Northeast US, period.

We have to cut our losses and move on.

This will entail doing whatever we can to preventing the Dems in power to allow DC statehood, a move that clearly violates the constitution. Small details like that do not matter to Dems.

The move which will lessen the influence of so many small, liberal Northeast states is with us as described in the Wall Street Journal. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005511

It is time for the state of Texas to go nuclear and exercise its rights in order to return sanity to the Congress of the United States.


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1 posted on 02/07/2009 6:13:48 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

Any Republican that crosses the line must be notified that they are going to be voted out. Start finding good candidates to run against them now. Flood their telephone lines and tell them what you think of their duplicity. They’re worthless and, even worse, traitors.


2 posted on 02/07/2009 6:16:42 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: bestintxas

What do you mean by Texas going nuclear. Succession?


3 posted on 02/07/2009 6:17:27 AM PST by Bailee
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To: bestintxas

It would take a constitutional amendment as there are so many prohibitions against making this former small piece of maryland into a state. I could understand if they wanted to let them vote for Maryland’s Senators but even that is unconstitutional.


4 posted on 02/07/2009 6:18:38 AM PST by Roamin53 (Islamists kill more people each year in the name of religion than the Inquisition did in 350 years!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

see wsj article

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005511


5 posted on 02/07/2009 6:19:24 AM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: bestintxas
Divide it into five states.

That was an option before admission. Now Texas is under the same Constitutional restrictions every other state is. If she wants to divide then she need the approval of both houses of Congress.

6 posted on 02/07/2009 6:21:47 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bailee

In its constitution, Texas has the right to cut itself into, I think, 4 states. That however, was prior to the Civil War. Succession and the end of the Civil War may have changed that and it will never happen anyway.


7 posted on 02/07/2009 6:22:03 AM PST by Mercat (God doesn't call me to be successful. God calls me to be faithful. Mother Teresa)
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To: bestintxas

If they try this it’ll wind up in court. And unlike all the Obama truthers and their bogus lawsuits, in this one the states will have standing and the Supreme Court will have original jurisdiction.


8 posted on 02/07/2009 6:22:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: bestintxas

I think when Texas first joined the Union, it was written somewhere that Texas reserved the right to break into six separate States, should they choose to.

Of course, not all six States will vote Republican.


9 posted on 02/07/2009 6:24:11 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: bestintxas

So, we can divide Texas into 4 or 6 (or as many as ?) states, thus increasing the number of senators of a certain persuasion to defeat the trend toward socialism. Only problem with that is that the Dems can do the same with a state like California or New York where there is a large populace and they are not our political friendlies.

No, my solution is the easiest solution; starve the governments of their lifeblood. So many ways, so many days.
Without the income stream they’d have to make cuts, deep cuts.


10 posted on 02/07/2009 6:26:42 AM PST by CARTOUCHE (two roads diverged and I chose the one less travelled by)
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To: Bailee

Did you mean secession?


11 posted on 02/07/2009 6:30:44 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: bestintxas
I am starting to think I WILL live see secession tried again. My thought is, it will be Texas, New Hampshire or Hawaii that will try it.
I have read of secessionist groups in both Hawaii and New Hampshire. Different reasons for both groups, but with the same results in mind.
Time will tell.
12 posted on 02/07/2009 6:32:05 AM PST by Tupelo
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To: bestintxas

Let’s make D.C. a state. Then we buy it.


13 posted on 02/07/2009 6:32:20 AM PST by sphinx
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To: bestintxas

Don’t you mean “nucular?”


14 posted on 02/07/2009 6:35:45 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Texians - beyond your expectations.)
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To: All

The problem is controlling the large boarders of Texas. Texans would need a standing army, not just an unpaid militia. How do you have a married man leave his obligations behind? Some form of military pay would be needed. Where would the money com from?


15 posted on 02/07/2009 6:37:47 AM PST by securityman
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To: bestintxas

I heard Specter was going to retire and Collins should do the same. They were barely republicans to begin with and have become reliably less so the longer they’re in office. Has the NE ever had a real Conservative? Would they know one if they saw one?


16 posted on 02/07/2009 6:40:06 AM PST by GBA
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To: sphinx

DC is like a 3rd world country
you can’t buy it, you can only rent it


17 posted on 02/07/2009 6:40:21 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: GBA

Specter is done after this term supposedly. Collins is up for reelection in 2014. She should be voted out then.


18 posted on 02/07/2009 6:43:06 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Bailee
What do you mean by Texas going nuclear. Succession?

I live in Texas and that sounds just fine with me.

Problem will then be, liberals will want to move here and ruin the state.

Not that it hasn't been ruined already by ILLEGALS and the likes of Austin.

19 posted on 02/07/2009 6:47:14 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: securityman
Where would the money com from?

Well, we do have a LOT of oil down here.

20 posted on 02/07/2009 6:49:26 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Any Republican that crosses the line must be notified that they are going to be voted out. Start finding good candidates to run against them now. Flood their telephone lines and tell them what you think of their duplicity.

And should htey somehow win a primary, I don't want to hear about hwo we then have to vote tehm back in, as we heard with Specter five yeras ago. Find a thrid-party candidate who can draw in the conservative votes. He or she might actually win and even if you get a one-term Senator, that's six years of good votes.

21 posted on 02/07/2009 6:50:13 AM PST by TBP
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To: SwinneySwitch
"Don’t you mean 'nucular?'"

New Clear

22 posted on 02/07/2009 6:51:37 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Roamin53
I could understand if they wanted to let them vote for Maryland’s Senators but even that is unconstitutional.

Not if the land (excep for a small area around the Federal enclave) is retroceded to Maryland, but that requires Maryland's approval and so far, even deep blue Maryland hasn't been willing to take that mess back. After all, it already has Bawlmore.

23 posted on 02/07/2009 6:52:06 AM PST by TBP
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To: Bailee

Texas atthe time of its admission retained the right to divide itself into up to 5 states. If it did that, probably 4 of them would be OK.


24 posted on 02/07/2009 6:52:53 AM PST by TBP
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To: silverleaf

I’m half serious about buying it. DC is rapidly gentrifying. Folks who haven’t visited in awhile are amazed. Were DC to become a state, I think it would be the patriotic duty of every freeper to establish residency and use DC as your voting address. JimRob for Senate!


25 posted on 02/07/2009 6:53:27 AM PST by sphinx
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To: bestintxas

NO !!!!

1 big state, chopped to 5 smaller.
outcome would be:

state #1 has Dallas =(dem state)
state #2 has Houston =(dem state)
state #3 has SA/Austin =(dem state)
state #4 has Midland Odessa =(repub state)
state #5 has El Paso =(?) (dem state)

and former big Texas would lose all its swagger in politics.


26 posted on 02/07/2009 6:53:44 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Mercat; PhiKapMom
Five states, an increase of four. Presumably an increase of sane Senators by eight. (Okay, call it... a gain of six to allow for one Dem to slip in, increasing their count by one.)

You Texans won't mind if I come visit your message board for awhile, will you?

27 posted on 02/07/2009 6:53:55 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: CARTOUCHE

They wouldn’t dare split California, because Southern California is quite red. Usually only LA county goes blue, and I think this last time Ventura and Imperial did too, but not by much. Personally I would love to dump the Bay area and let the rest of the state elect some conservatives.


28 posted on 02/07/2009 6:54:36 AM PST by oldleft
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To: Tupelo

Maybe we’ll ge tlucky and New England will secede, as they talked about doing in the early 1800s. There has been a small movement to ahve the New England states secede from teh US, have the maritimes secede from Canada, and join them together in a new country. Call it something like the Republic of Arcadia.

Hey, Chris Dodd can finally be President!


29 posted on 02/07/2009 6:55:23 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

Meant to say Acadia, not Arcadia.


30 posted on 02/07/2009 6:56:05 AM PST by TBP
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To: urtax$@work

I’ll see your point on SA/Austin, but not Dallas or Houston.


31 posted on 02/07/2009 6:56:32 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: GBA
I heard Specter was going to retire and Collins should do the same. /i>

That would definitely be good news.

They were barely republicans to begin with and have become reliably less so the longer they’re in office.

I believe The Specter started out as a Dhimmicrap, and I think his wife was a Dhimmicrap official in Philly.

Has the NE ever had a real Conservative? Would they know one if they saw one?

Well, there was Bob Smith. I'd love to see Senator Smith make a comeback.

32 posted on 02/07/2009 6:58:57 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

And our wise forefathers reserved the control of all public lands in Texas to the state, and did not had it over to the federal government. So what happened in Utah last week — development of domestic energy supplies blocked — can’t happen in Texas.


33 posted on 02/07/2009 7:00:04 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: ExTexasRedhead; bestintxas

We need to annex Mexico, move the border to the Red, and export labor to the rest of the country.


34 posted on 02/07/2009 7:02:17 AM PST by SouthTexas (Danger, Danger .. Will Robinson)
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To: bestintxas
First of all, folks, it's "secession." Not "succession." Look it up.

Second of all, secession, in the Civil War sense, is not the answer. Look at what's happening in Arizona, New Hampshire, Washington, and several other states. It's in the "Declaration of Independence":

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

If this trend continues and builds steam, the Federal Gov't will lose that consent, and all of their power will account for nothing.

You can try to scream from your house to D.C., or you can stand on the desk of your local State Senator, Governor, and even your Mayor, to drive this forward.

This is where it's at.

35 posted on 02/07/2009 7:03:53 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: bestintxas

I’d like to see Pennsylvania split into 2 states, Philadelphia and the rest of the state.


36 posted on 02/07/2009 7:10:50 AM PST by eCSMaster
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To: securityman

Oil. Texas has a lot of oil.


37 posted on 02/07/2009 7:13:40 AM PST by coon2000
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To: napscoordinator
Specter is done after this term ...

If he lives through it. Who will Rendell pick as a replacement, huh?

38 posted on 02/07/2009 7:13:58 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Future Snake Eater
“Secession”

Sorry but I don't see how declaring state sovereignty solves any problems.

Nuts at County and State level just as corrupt as at the Federal level.

More people voted in last election in my area than registered. Local Sheriff in jail for corruption neighboring county sheriff in jail for accepting bribes.

and your right secession is also not the answer.

39 posted on 02/07/2009 7:30:58 AM PST by Bailee
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To: Bailee

Local problems can be far easier to solve than the distant ones in D.C.


40 posted on 02/07/2009 7:32:54 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: urtax$@work
and former big Texas would lose all its swagger in politics.

After giving America LBJ, GHWB and GWB, that might not be a bad thing.
41 posted on 02/07/2009 7:40:05 AM PST by mkjessup (You are either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE dammit!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Disagree smaller or closer does not mean eaiser to solve.

One man one vote quits working when 51% of the populations wants what the other 49% has.

Add on top of that voter fraud.


42 posted on 02/07/2009 7:42:10 AM PST by Bailee
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To: Fishing-guy
Regardless, Texas will not be subjected to this rabble!
43 posted on 02/07/2009 7:44:48 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Future Snake Eater
"Citizen Input" to local problems has a different "flavor". The tar and feathers doesn't have to be carried quite as far!

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

44 posted on 02/07/2009 7:51:24 AM PST by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)")
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To: Bailee

If memory serves, from when my children studies this ...

1) Texas gave up the right to secede when it was re-admitted to the Union after the Civil War. (However it had the right to do so prior to the Civil War/War Between the States)

2) Texas can split into five separate states by virtue of the document (Congress) when re-admitted to the Union.

3) However, there is Article IV, Section 3 of the US Constitution that says how existing States can divide. Constitutional challenges?

Many questions in my mind though.

Would it be politically viable to be five states in the Union instead of one? Possibly chaos would ensue with the division. Would the majority of Texas citizens vote for this? Possibly not, with the influx of liberals into the State since 1990’s. Each State would be roughly the size of ... Arkansas ... and where would the mineral rights be predominantly located? Within one new state.

Secession would be the best answer, becoming our own nation again. Then visitors would need passports and Congress could not control our assets. But, alas ... this is not to be.

Just me rambling.


45 posted on 02/07/2009 8:27:01 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Bailee

” Sorry but I don’t see how declaring state sovereignty solves any problems.

Nuts at County and State level just as corrupt as at the Federal level.

More people voted in last election in my area than registered. Local Sheriff in jail for corruption neighboring county sheriff in jail for accepting bribes.

and your right secession is also not the answer. “

No...a responsible government set up at the top level can prevent most of the corruption that the locals live for. One example: voter ID plus inking fingers...as third world countries do when they want to have fair elections. Lots of options when you no longer of courts or RINOs to deal with.


46 posted on 02/07/2009 8:59:29 AM PST by BobL
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To: bestintxas

The real nuclear option is to simply pull out (along with a few other states). Once Obama’s done with his work (census included), there is no way that this country will be allowed to elect conservatives again...pretty much what happened to Europe.


47 posted on 02/07/2009 9:06:22 AM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: Bailee

You’re assuming I’m only referring to voting. Our country wasn’t freed from tyranny by voting. It was a minority movement.


48 posted on 02/07/2009 9:45:28 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: unixfox

If secession happens, you can bet that a lot MORE conservative will move there than liberals. I sure would (and would probably be granted citizenship as I was born in Texas (though I haven’t sadly lived there since I was a baby ;)!


49 posted on 02/07/2009 9:58:43 AM PST by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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To: wastoute
"Citizen Input" to local problems has a different "flavor". The tar and feathers doesn't have to be carried quite as far!

Exactly.

50 posted on 02/07/2009 10:47:26 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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