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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny

>SPECIAL REQUEST!!!!

COULD WE TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HOW TO SURVIVE, WHEN THE LAST PAYCHECK HAS BEEN SPENT???

WHERE WILL YOU GET THE FOOD TO FEED THE KIDS???<

Hi, I’m reading this thread with great interest. I’m in the Denver area and one good thing to look into where you live are the church-run food pantries. Our church has a food pantry open every two weeks. It is stocked by our members with canned goods, canned meats, dry goods, cereals etc. Also, some farmers and groceries leave fresh vegetables there for the taking. We feed about 100 families. Call around to local churches and they can point you in the right direction.

We also belong to a network of churches that house homeless families. Each church provides shelter and meals for one week each quarter, and then the next church takes over. The network also provides help with finding permanent housing and jobs. It’s not the best situation for a family to have to sleep in a church classroom, but it beats sleeping in your car (and we church ladies are pretty good cooks, so the food’s pretty good). Call churches. You would be surprised what help they can provide.

Thanks for the great thread!


701 posted on 02/11/2009 5:07:14 PM PST by keepitreal (Obama brings change: an international crisis (terrorism) within 6 months)
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To: CottonBall

Now, that’s a great idea. (I will likely end up at the store wearing my plastic bag, however...) <<<

If you are having arthritis problems, sleep in a sleeping bag, with a sheet of plastic over you, it helps and is even warmer than the electric blankets are.

I learned that one from one of my clients, I was amazed to find a common sleeping bag on her bed, in the perfect home that was a picture to see.

So she explained its uses for the arthritis.

LOL, the man who came to service my oxygen machine, had to ask, I didn’t think to ask him last time if he told anyone else how well it worked.

A safety pin would work, but I am lazy and the clothes pin was handy.


702 posted on 02/11/2009 5:14:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

PREPARE. . . . .because you care about your loved ones<<<

Good advice.


703 posted on 02/11/2009 5:15:24 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TnGOP

Unless the bird stole it right out of the packet it is open pollinated and should come up true.


704 posted on 02/11/2009 5:22:04 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: DelaWhere

I cook most of my meat in the crock pot or the oven, and use beer and old strong coffee, along with spices.

LOL, the other day I goofed and used water and that was the most tasteless meat that I ever ate, even tho the spices were used.

When we raised pork and the hams were not cured, I cooked them in coffee and that “Liquid Smoke” that comes in the square brown bottle and they were good.

LOL, yes I also used spices and garlic and pepper.


705 posted on 02/11/2009 5:23:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Cal may have snow on the roof but there remains a fire in the boiler. ;)<<<

Fantastic news!!!


706 posted on 02/11/2009 5:25:00 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: JDoutrider; TenthAmendmentChampion; DelaWhere

Geez, guess I be a newbie! My family didn’t get here till 1703... <<<

As I am 3/4 Cherokee, I guess that means my family was here waiting to welcome you all.

[No, I couldn’t resist...LOL]


707 posted on 02/11/2009 5:28:10 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere
Mmmmm Key Lime pie... I think while the bread is rising ... Hmmm no limes - but a bag of lemons

I tried another experiment on the pie. I had the limes given to me about a month ago. Put 'em in the juicer cause I didn't have time to mess with 'em. Refrigerated the juice. Wasn't sure if it would taste like a fresh pie... but was just fine.

708 posted on 02/11/2009 5:34:06 PM PST by Wneighbor
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To: DelaWhere

Today, Uncle Johnnie couldn’t do that. He would have to pay minimum wage, pay payroll taxes and have his housing inspected. Must be that Ronald Reagan was right - ‘Government is the problem.’<<<

Your post is correct on all points and when the liberals get real hungry, the fancy laws will be ignored too.

I have taken jobs in my day that were not to my liking or did not pay for the amount of work I put in and managed to survive.

When times were hard in the mid 1950’s and I had a baby to feed, dumb me, lied about my age, got a job as a bartender at 5th and Market in San Diego.

As I never was a drinker, I was a good clean and sober employee.

Then, my mother and aunt came to visit me and found out that one of my duties at work was showing young Italian men who showed up with a small suitcase, how to get in the basement and mom and aunt Bess, had a fit and made me quit.

I had managed to peek into the basement, it was a 100 year old type building and the basement was full of trash and rubble.

I never did find out what/why those men wanted in the basement or where they went once they were down there.

I quit.


709 posted on 02/11/2009 5:36:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: upcountry miss
Have torn up a lot of field with those rocks being hauled out of the river and to the place I want them, but it is worth the bother of raking the sod back and smoothing it over. So far, I have large rocks at all four corners of the house, a large flat rock as a bottom step at my back door and lots of big rocks in the center of all my flower beds.

OMG!!! I love this! I would love to have rocks around like that. Beds just aren't arranged right if you don't have some rock in them. I don't know one kind of rock from another so I can't say I'm a rock hound, but I sure do like to put them around for yard decor. :-)

710 posted on 02/11/2009 5:39:57 PM PST by Wneighbor
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To: upcountry miss
If I get sounding off on permits, I might be suspended forever.

I'm fortunate, I lived in a house for 17 years in an area where you didn't get permits for anything. Now, I've got this man who *thinks* he has to have a permit for everything. I keep tellin' him if you don't ask and they don't see you doing it then you don't need a permit.

711 posted on 02/11/2009 5:43:56 PM PST by Wneighbor
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To: keepitreal

Welcome to the thread.

Good advise and I am glad the churches are still serving the community in your area.

Thank you for helping with the caring for folks.

On the police scanner for San Diego, I have heard that there is a group that also helps those that want off the street, the Police ask the dispatcher to send them, to those ready/needing the help, right there on the street.

They come with a van and pick them up.

This area is not like that, I am not up to date on the area churches, but know when I worked in a cafe in Kingman, we told them that we would check them out with the cops and if they were ok, fed them....some were gone in a flash.

There was a food pantry, but I haven’t heard of it in a long time.

Our local/large church, in my opinion, was taken over by liberals or something, as the new pastor can’t be bothered with all the special groups and does not have a Sunday evening service.

For some of the casino workers, the evening service was the only one they could attend.


712 posted on 02/11/2009 5:45:03 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: upcountry miss

WOW - that is sure a beautiful area.

Took the whole family up there a couple of summers - Loaded up the old Chevy Vega with Wife, 3 kids, camping gear and a canoe strapped on top. We really had a beautiful campsite with a view across a lake of Mount Katahdin. Then Fundy National Park and then all the way around the Bay of Fundy to the southern part of Nova Scotia.

They almost didn’t get me to leave New Ross Farm in central Nova Scotia. It is an authentically run farm community with all the trades and crafts as they were done in the 18th century. We spent three days there and I was right at home hitching up a team of oxen and plowing, barrel making, foot treadle powered wood lathe and a whole bunch of stuff right up my alley! They give you a chance to actually do those things yourself. Second time up there we spent 5 days there - and man was it hard leaving and coming back to the old grind. It was like Sturbridge Village or Williamsburg but without the commercialization.

As a kid, my parents introduced me to a whole world of wonderful things through an old Book Of Knowledge Encyclopedia. I spent many many days reading about the world and things. It was trying to wrap my mind around a 50’ tide where the water goes from near the top of the dock to being out of sight that made me want to go there. I had to see it and experience it and wanted my kids to see it too.

Anyway, I wonder if we will ever see times again where people like the town clerk (along with the other jobs) are appreciated for all they do and we encourage people to for the good of all rather than for a new ipod, sports car, mansion, etc. I don’t think we will, and it makes me sad.


713 posted on 02/11/2009 5:49:16 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

PEP-C has some pretty good ideas and thoughts that should be passed along too - at least I think they should. ;)

Family Drills

Planning is important, but rehearsal is vital. Rehearsals test your plans and help you to identify flaws in those plans. Rehearsal is simply pretending you and your family have just experienced a major disaster and acting accordingly. The following are some examples of “drills” that you can try:

* Live for a weekend without electricity. You can do this for real by shutting off the breaker (to prevent cheating) or the easy way by just “pretending.” If you decide to run this drill the easy way, set a “fine” for each violation of the rules. Make the “fine” something fun or monetary or both. (But not so fun that everyone cheats on purpose!) This drill will teach you that boiling water over a camp stove or a fire in the back yard just to make your morning coffee can really wreck your normal morning routine. But hopefully the drill will also help you identify missing supplies, bad ideas and be the springboard to a better plan.
* Evacuate your family to another location over a weekend. Visit a friend or book a motel room that’s at least 100 miles away from your current location. Give your family 20 minutes to pack and take off, ready or not. Once you’ve reached your destination, make a list of everything you forgot to bring and then add it to your emergency evacuation bag. Once you’ve settled in at your destination, take a minute to think about and discuss how you would feel if everything you left behind was destroyed in a fire. Or how you would feel if everything below the second floor of your home was damaged or destroyed by a flood. These reflections will give rise to ideas of how you can revise your storage and survival plans.
* Take your family for a drive on a Saturday afternoon in the fall. Pull over in a remote area (as long as its safe to do so) and spend the night there with only the supplies on hand in your car. By morning you’ll know exactly what you should have in your car kit as well as what is rather useless.
* Try eating only your survival foods for a weekend - or, if you’re really brave, do it for a whole week. This is an excellent drill to conduct if you’re ready to rotate and replace your emergency food supplies. It will also help you identify any menu selections you just can’t stand as well as those items you want to add to your stash (including recipes).

These are just a few examples of what you can do as a family to test your preparedness plans. Be creative. Come up with your own unique scenarios. Execute them and then let us know what you did and how it fared. We’d love to add yours to the list for others to try.


714 posted on 02/11/2009 5:56:11 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: JDoutrider
Geez, guess I be a newbie! My family didn't get here till 1703...

LOL maybe we should focus on qualities rather than seniority. ;)

715 posted on 02/11/2009 6:01:51 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: DelaWhere

Mmmmm Key Lime pie...

I think while the bread is rising ... Hmmm no limes - but a bag of lemons - Sounds like I will be making a Lemon Meringue pie instead... Chickens are producing about 20 eggs a day now - gotta use ‘em.

***Had the same situation last year. Really wanted a key lime pie but didn’t have any. I looked outside at our beautiful lemon tree and thought, why not! Used the lemons and it was great. Ya gotta try it sometime.

Wish we had chickens...those that do have them have been “grandfathered.” Anyone moving in around here can’t since 2001 (I believe). We’re outside the city limits but since the city keeps getting closer the county laid down the law. Nothing like a good “home grown” egg.***


716 posted on 02/11/2009 6:04:26 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
COULD WE TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HOW TO SURVIVE, WHEN THE LAST PAYCHECK HAS BEEN SPENT???

I think a lot of that depends on what kind of pre-planning you have done. I own a home that is paid for. (I don't currently live in that one, I rent it out.) No, I didn't inherit, I bought and worked and paid. That place has 1/4 acre of ready garden area and a well.

But, before that last paycheck is spent I have done a lot of prep work, have some things to barter and a store of knowledge. You don't get those on the day you get your notice of no more job.

Not trying to be hardhearted to fellow freepers who have come to hard times, just addressing the question. Forgive me if I sound harsh.

WHERE WILL YOU GET THE FOOD TO FEED THE KIDS???

Well, my kids are grown. But, in my realm of thinking it is possible that the hard times could hit us all. My kids know that they would be welcome to come and work to feed the lot of us. Mind you, they don't come for a free ride and they would not want to.

WHERE WILL YOU LIVE???

I think I answered that but as the next questions assume that perhaps there's a job available someplace else I would live where-ever I needed to in order to get by. If there was a job in another town and I needed to go I could live in my tent or my (paid off) vehicle until I had enough pay to find a cheap place.

WHAT WILL YOU DO NEXT???

Probably I answered that one too. But, I will do whatever it takes to make it be it find other employment, or go to ground and eat whatever I find and barter with skills I have or items of value.

WHERE WILL I FIND A JOB???

I don't know, I'm having trouble finding a job now but I'm also not looking to relocate at this point. Were I to be forced to relocate I would start searching near my children's homes.

WHAT SHOULD I DO TO BRIDGE THE GAP???

Trade upon skills I have. Barter things I have. Manage to live like my grandparents did when they married in 1932.

I'm really sad to hear of Freepers out of work and searching for jobs in this economy. I know it's bad because I have been self-employed for 3 years now. Contracts for jobs are just not out there at this time. I *really* feel for folks that have families to support, mortgages and no stock of necesities. My prayers are with everyone in this situation. I can give tips on how to grow food and a little on how to scrounge food in the wild. I can tell you how to cook it all and make it taste good if you have a little seasoning (which some may not.) If anyone were nearby I could show you how to sew your clothing and any other fabric necesity. I can teach you how to build a fire and bank it so you've got coals in the morning. Unfortunately, these things help no one here so I'll pray.

717 posted on 02/11/2009 6:05:34 PM PST by Wneighbor
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All
I'll know in a few months. The first seeds are going in the starter pots tonight. The first planting will be:
"Volunteer" Tomatoes
Mammoth sunflowers
Straight Eight cucumbers
*Plum Lemon Tomatoes
*Yellow Pear Tomatoes
*Old Virginia Tomatoes
*Super Choice Tomatoes
*Scarlett Topper Tomatoes
Early Snowball A Cauliflower
Spacemaster Cucumber
Danvers Half Long carrots
Great Lakes #118 lettuce
Salad Bowl lettuce
evergreen bunching onion
Copenhagen Market Early cabbage
Barbados Hybrid Broccoli
Calabaza Squash
California Wonder peppers
De Cicco Broccoli

* Is for heirloom seeds

On second thought, that may be the first two plantings. I don't think I have enough pots to do them all.

718 posted on 02/11/2009 6:10:07 PM PST by TnGOP (Petey the dog is my foriegn policy advisor. He's really quite good!)
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To: Wneighbor

LOL, my Key Lime pie that turned into Lemon Meringue migrated to Apple and daughter said - Dad, I really wish you would make another of those Peach pies... (How can a father refuse a request like that from his daughter?) So, we are about to have a slice of Peach Crumb pie... Just as soon as the ice cream maker is finished which is about now!


719 posted on 02/11/2009 6:15:58 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Hi, granny! Sorry you can’t do crafts anymore but I’ll bet you made some great stuff. It seems we’re always more critical of our own work. At least that’s how I am.

I read up to post #713 before answering you and must admit that I never gave much thought to what I’d do when my last dollar was gone. I’m not “pampered” by any means and know what it’s like to do without but not for a long period of time (say 1 year or more). The questions you posed are a real eye opener. I’m glad you posted them. Going to give them some strong consideration.

We had a leak in another house that took a loooong time to fix because they, too, couldn’t find the source. Then, BINGO, one day our handyman found it clear across the other side! Water goes wherever “it” wants to...not where “you” think it should.

Hope it gets fixed for you. Take care.


720 posted on 02/11/2009 6:37:10 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: azishot

1. Pie was great!

2. Couldn’t find anything closer than San Antonio -

* Laws - As of April, 2008
o You can keep chickens in San Antonio with some limits on the number:
+ Five (5) poultry confined to a pen 20 ft. from another dwelling.
+ Twelve (12) poultry confined to a pen 50 ft. from another dwelling.
+ Fifty (50) poultry confined to a pen 150 ft. from another dwelling.

Everybody keeps saying ‘We are a nation of Laws’ Geeesh the Libertarian in me says can them laws!

I always thought a prime example was one Nebraska law that required that when approaching an intersection in an automobile, you were to fire into the air three times and mount the highest ground near the intersection and look for any horses/wagons before proceeding.


721 posted on 02/11/2009 6:55:07 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: DelaWhere

Smiling at you!! You sound like my husband! But truth be told, it’s probably best that we don’t have them because we’re gone almost all summer. Chickens kinda like to be fed. There’s no one around (that I like or trust) to care for them. Plus there’s a guy not too far that sells eggs. I guess I was just getting nostalgic...I kinda miss all the clucking (sigh).


722 posted on 02/11/2009 7:04:34 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

A few tips to go with the preparedness drill:

# Plan your drills so they have value to your family. Look at your emergency plans based on what actually could happen. What would you do in the event of a loss of electrical power when computers were down and you lost phone communication? If you live in a high-crime area, it’s worth having a security drill. Think about what you would do if a water main breaks. At minimum, plan for an earthquake drill, a fire drill and an evacuation drill.
# Pay attention to the number of drills and the timing of them. List the drills that will benefit your family. Then pull out a calendar and schedule these drills over a 12 month period so that each drill is conducted at least once during the upcoming year.
# Assign responsibility for emergency preparedness drills so they get done. Typically, one person will be your family’s “drill” sergeant and that person should execute the drills when they are calendared. That doesn’t mean one person must do all the tasks, but he or she can delegate responsibilities.
# If your neighborhood is organized, piggyback your family drills onto neighborhood drills.
# Incorporate evaluation processes into each of your drills. Come up with recommendations on how to modify your family plans based on what you learn from the drill. If you execute your drills with an eye toward learning you will learn something.
# Just do it.


723 posted on 02/11/2009 7:04:41 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: DelaWhere

P.S. But I know if if I HAD to, I could and would.


724 posted on 02/11/2009 7:06:15 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: All

Outdoor Stoves Recalled by Jetboil Due to Burn Hazard

NEWS from CPSC
U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Office of Information and Public Affairs
Washington, DC 20207

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 11, 2009
Release #09-126

Firm’s Recall Hotline: (888) 611-9905
CPSC Recall Hotline: (800) 638-2772
CPSC Media Contact: (301) 504-7908

Outdoor Stoves Recalled by Jetboil Due to Burn Hazard

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed.

Name of Product: Personal Cooking Systems and Group Cooking Systems

Units: About 15,000

Manufacturer: Jetboil Inc., of Manchester, N.H.

Hazard: A tight valve attached to the stove’s fuel source can allow gas to leak, posing a fire hazard to consumers.

Incidents/Injuries: Jetboil has received five reports of fires resulting from leaking fuel. No injuries have been reported.

Description: This recall involves personal and group cooking stoves often used during outdoor camping. The recalled models include: Personal Cooking Systems in black (PBL075-BLK-(PCS) and camo (PBL075-CAMO-(PCS), Backcountry Gourmet Set (BDLFRY), Personal Cooking System with Companion Cup (BDL001), Personal Cooking System with Pot Support & Stabilizer (BDL002), Personal Cooking System with Coffee Press (BDL003), and Personal Cooking System Java Kit (BDLJAVA) and Group Cooking System (GCS150).

Sold at: Specialty outdoor and general sporting goods stores nationwide and on the Internet from July 2008 through November 2008 for between $100 and $130.

Manufactured in: United States

Remedy: Consumers should immediately stop using the recalled product and contact Jetboil for a repair or replacement.

Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact Jetboil toll-free at (866) 611-9905 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. ET Monday through Friday, or visit the firm’s Web site at www.jetboil.com. Consumers can also email the firm at customerservice@jetboil.com

To see this recall on CPSC’s web site, including pictures of the recall product, please go to: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09126.html


725 posted on 02/11/2009 7:07:21 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: azishot

LOL - I can relate to the clucking... they have personalities and are each different.

We have one rooster that always gets up on a roost in front of the top nests and when you bend down to fill the waterer, he jumps on your back, and as you stand he moves up to your shoulder and stays there the whole time you gather the eggs. Then when you are through, you hold your arm out and he steps over to it and lets you put him back on the roost again. Of course we talk to him and he clucks back in response. My wife sings to them while she feeds and gathers eggs and loves how they respond with a chorus of clucking.


726 posted on 02/11/2009 7:16:03 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: DelaWhere

Excellent family drills.

I have read where several camped in the back yard for a weekend and were amazed at what they wished they had remember to bring.

So few really have the concept of what it is all about and how quickly a bomb or toronado can take away all your supplies.

In the attic is too hot for them and roof may blow off and in the basement it may flood.

There is no place 100% safe for storage.


727 posted on 02/11/2009 7:17:16 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Wneighbor

All good answers and all true.

My brother always told me, “I don’t need to prepare, as all I need to do is get to you and you will be prepared!!!”

He will find that I am not so prepared today, as I was in the past.

He will be welcome, as not only do I love him, but he can FIX anything.


728 posted on 02/11/2009 7:19:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TnGOP

I like your list, many of them I would be planting also.

I would add Swiss Chard and herbs.

For the times that I have needed more pots for starting seeds than I had, I have bought the cheapest of stryrofoam coffee cups, they are cheaper than flower pots.

I poke 3 holes in the bottom with a pencil for drainage and they will last about 3 years.


729 posted on 02/11/2009 7:22:14 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: azishot

The questions you posed are a real eye opener.<<<

I found out how close living on the street could be when I got sick and had to quit work.

I sold the 80 acres at $50,000. less than I had turned down only 5 years before and managed to survive on that, until I got social security.

But it was rough going for awhile.

I can’t imagine going down that path with small kids.

True, I had this place rented, but what was I to do if I did loose the ranch?

Live in the car and eat on the rent money from here?

Maybe.

I was lucky and survived, but it was scary for a few months.

Never mind all the fancy skills, if one is not able to show up for work, you don’t hold a job for long.


730 posted on 02/11/2009 7:27:58 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Incorporate evaluation processes into each of your drills. Come up with recommendations on how to modify your family plans based on what you learn from the drill. If you execute your drills with an eye toward learning you will learn something.
# Just do it.<<<

Excellent advise.

And do teach the young kids to call 911 in a real emergency, I love hearing how very small children manage to get help for their parents who are sick or hurt.


731 posted on 02/11/2009 7:31:22 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; pandoraou812; All

Granny, thank you SO much for your invaluable information at this time. And, thank you for caring enough for all of us, to keep us informed. We love you!

Pandy - if you read any thread on this forum, I implore you to make it this one!

Blessings, to all who are here - who care enough for their families and loved ones, to prepare!


732 posted on 02/11/2009 8:06:08 PM PST by yorkie (Grandmas are antique little girls)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; pandoraou812; All

Granny, and all - Two months ago, I was in conversation with a manager of one of the City Departments. He told me then, that our state would be bankrupt by Feb. He then told me that if the city was without funds, the police department and fire department would not be available for emergency assistance. (IOW, if salaries could not be paid, staff would not be on payroll.) We may be on our own, sooner than we think.

Not to be a gloom and doom gal here - just stating what was told to me by a city employee. Something for all of us to keep under consideration.


733 posted on 02/11/2009 8:12:37 PM PST by yorkie (Grandmas are antique little girls)
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To: yorkie

I made it, thanks! I am busy reading from the beginning. Hugs & prayers ~Pandy~


734 posted on 02/11/2009 8:14:55 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: pandoraou812; nw_arizona_granny

When you get the chance, thank Granny! If it weren’t for her, where would we all be?

Big hugs, Granny!


735 posted on 02/11/2009 8:17:32 PM PST by yorkie (Grandmas are antique little girls)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Along with your drills, prepare on a broader base - your neighborhood like this community who have trained over 1500 citizens...

PC-NET
Pierce County Neighborhood Emergency Teams

PC-NET is a neighborhood-oriented approach to emergency preparedness. It is based on the belief that a cooperative effort between a community and its citizens is the only sure way to prepare for major disasters.

Major disasters stretch city resources to their limits. It is estimated that regular emergency services will be unable to respond to most calls during the first 72 hours following a major disaster, such as a severe earthquake. The number of people who will be needing help, and the inaccessibility of many neighborhoods due to damage and debris will prevent immediate aid.

If individuals and their neighborhoods are prepared to mutually assist each other during thee critical hours, lives can be saved, property can be spared, and emergency services can be freed to respond to the most devastated areas. PC-NET’s overall purpose is to enable neighborhoods to be self sufficient for a minimum of 72 hours following a major disaster. This will be accomplished by:

* encouraging each individual and home to become personally prepared at home
* organizing block groups into seven disaster response teams:
o Block Coordination
o Communications
o Damage Assessment
o First Aid
o Safety and Security
o Light Search and Rescue
o Sheltering and Special Needs
* utilizing the skills and knowledge the neighborhood currently possesses.

While the overall purpose of the PC-NET program is to teach neighborhoods self sufficiency during times of disaster, preparedness efforts must also focus on individuals and families in their homes. A city whose population is prepared at home will see a significant reduction in the need for police, fire and ambulance support.


736 posted on 02/11/2009 8:19:51 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: yorkie; nw_arizona_granny

Thank you very much for this thread. I am at the beginning but I will catch up asap. Hugs & Prayers ~Pandy~


737 posted on 02/11/2009 8:20:07 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: DelaWhere

My parents had chickens until my dad died 10 years ago. We lived in Virginia at that time and I would come out for a visit once a year.

One year my dad had bought some new chicks and I guess they were a few months old when I saw them the first time. Now mind you, my dad grew up on a farm in PA with about every farm animal imaginable.

I looked at one of the chickens and said, “That’s a rooster.”

BIG argument! Anyway, I went home after a week and one day I got a call. Yup, it was a rooster. We laughed about it for a long time. Good memories.


738 posted on 02/11/2009 8:26:30 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Your a survivor, granny. I don’t think any of us know how we will react until we’re faced with a challenge. Our oldest says, “Expect the best but prepare for the worst.”

My parents had a restaurant the whole time I was growing up. I worked there, and I do mean worked starting at 12 years old. Started waitressing at 15. No pampered “boss’s daughter!” Saved money, bought a car, paid for school, etc. I learned from an early age that no job was too menial.

I’m glad to hear you have a brother close by. Take care.


739 posted on 02/11/2009 8:38:22 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: yorkie

OMG! We live in AZ, too. What city? At least we have our own “protection.”


740 posted on 02/11/2009 8:49:46 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: DelaWhere

Excellent post.


741 posted on 02/11/2009 8:51:06 PM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: hiredhand
Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants me or anybody like me in charge.... even for a day.

Now I KNOW we're related in some way! WOOF!

742 posted on 02/11/2009 9:18:39 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Wneighbor

“I HAVE TOMATO SEEDLINGS UP!!! “

Ours are up today, too. I put a bunch of seeds from a Canadian tomatoe my neighbor gave me several years ago. Wasn’t sure if they would grow or not, so I put several seeds in each starter plug. Well it looks like most of them are making it, so I guess I will have to separate them out when they get a bit bigger.


743 posted on 02/11/2009 9:56:41 PM PST by Marmolade
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To: All

http://www.google.com/search?q=survive+job+loss&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+survive+with+no+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=+survive+without+a+job&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=+finding+free+food&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=healthy+meals+for+less&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=Frugal+Recipes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=cheapcooking&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=Grocery+List+in+Lean+Times&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

On this one, add your town to the search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=WHERE+CAN+I+FIND+A+DISCOUNT+OR+LOW+COST+FOOD+MARKET&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=Recipes+Using+Low-Cost+Ingredients!&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=Stretch+Your+Family+Meal+Budget&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=Low-Cost+Food&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=source+of+free+food&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

A few searches to keep us busy, too many for me to check them as they should be checked, please post what you think is good.

granny


744 posted on 02/11/2009 10:07:31 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I always try to remember the example of my Grandfather when considering emergency responses.

My Maternal Grandfather was a very deliberate, considering individual. His older brother was just about his opposite.

An episode that reflected those differences happened one day when they (both in their 70’s) were out deer hunting. On the way back out of the edge of the woods, they took a shortcut across a pasture. They had full permission to be there hunting, but only when they were in the middle of the field did they notice a very large bull in the field they were in. My grandfather’s brother told him to come on, let’s run for the fence. My grandfather grabbed him by the arm and said whoa... First of all one of us would probably have a heart attack, or fall and break a bone. Second, we are both armed and could drop the bull in his tracks if necessary... Third, if we had to, either of us could reimburse the farmer for his bull - So, lets just take our time and walk to the fence and the bull may not even notice us.

They leisurely walked to the fence and the bull never even stopped grazing.

So, our response to any emergency should be to Be Prepared - Have the tools and resources with you - But most importantly - DON’T PANIC.


745 posted on 02/11/2009 10:09:11 PM PST by DelaWhere (I'm a Klingon - Clinging to guns and Bible - Putting Country First - Preparing for the Worst!!!)
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To: yorkie

Blessings, to all who are here - who care enough for their families and loved ones, to prepare!<<<

Those are mighty words that I agree with.

Glad you found us and sorry it took so long to get the ping out to you.


746 posted on 02/11/2009 10:13:06 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: yorkie

(IOW, if salaries could not be paid, staff would not be on payroll.) We may be on our own, sooner than we think.<<<

This is more true than many realize.

It is difficult to know if it is more hype or a fact.

Maybe some of the junk programs will be cut and the needed ones left in place?

For years, my fire department in this area was all volunteer men and women.


747 posted on 02/11/2009 10:15:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: pandoraou812

Good that you found us and thanks to Yorkie for inviting you.

You are welcome here, LOL, all you need to do is join in.

And there are 10,007 posts here that is the #1 of this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?q=1&;page=9901


748 posted on 02/11/2009 10:17:00 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: azishot

Your waitress training is the most valuable training that you have, it has as a rule, found me a job the first day I went looking.

I once figured up the cost of taking a job in an aircraft plant, or remaining a waitress in a neighborhood coffee shop.

My shoes cost $5.99, the black taffeta skirt was $5.99 and the black and white checked blouse $2.99, I wore cheap nylons.

Added to that was snacks and drinks and one good meal a day and then I would have to have nice clothes to work in an office, decided that I could not afford to take the ‘better’ job, and I am a good waitress.

Worked at Sheldon’s for 8 years, met Bill there.

So goes life, you do what is right at the time and some day you will understand it all.

LOL, my brother shows up once a year or not at all, he lives closer to you and this year is building a house for himself, something he wants to do before he dies.

He has beat off a bunch of heart trouble and kidney cancer.

I have no idea how he passed 70 years so quickly.


749 posted on 02/11/2009 10:25:25 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Excellent idea, if you live where people care to survive.

Here survival is going to Laughlin to gamble.


750 posted on 02/11/2009 10:28:39 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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