Skip to comments.Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny
Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? Its an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training
Ive been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe thats why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood
Your site is a good one to have, I bookmarked it.
Thanks for all your work.
Good, you found the old recipe site, so you would have it for us.
Thanks for the link.
but some of us have the understanding, some dont. Ours manifests in a...better communication...is the only word that fitswith animals and plants. Sounds hokey, but I guess you have to be there. My Cherokee side comes from my paternal great grandma. They lived in NC and Kentucky.
And who says we dont fit right? Its everyone else that doesnt fit! LOL<<<
Agree, and still laughing.
A city gal moved a quarter mile from my place in Wellton, she and her uncle would stop in the coffee shop, where I worked and I would tell them something my Siamese cat had said or any of the animals.
Eileen would nod and smile.
A few months later, Eileen came tearing into my yard, in her very old truck, jumped out yelling “My cat talked to me, I thought you were nuts, when you said your animals talked!!!”
We had brought the male Siamese from Oregon with us and he ruled the roost.
Eileen came down one day to tell me another cat story.
Her bed was near the door and in the morning, early, her cats would come to the screen door and meow, she would wake up and let them in to eat, LOL, that means she got to open the door about 6 times.
One morning, she was more alert and thought “wait a minute, I don’t own that many cats!!”, so she put on her glasses and let the cats back out one by one and the last one was my Bambino.....he had learned the code word to get the door opened.
With my white hair, I look Scots, but I can see that I showed my true genes even as a young person, dark haired.
I have always been a gardner.
We had a survival retreat in the 1970’s and it was going well for the folks who bought a lease on an acre or two and it had water, so was a good plan.
Then the owner died and the wife took up with a crack pot and the whole thing fell apart.
Instead of competitive currency devaluations, spiking food prices will likely cause competitive currency appreciation in 2009. Foreign exchange reserves exist for just this type of emergency. Central banks around the world will lower domestic food prices by either directly selling off their reserves to appreciate their currencies or by using them to purchase grain on the world market.<<<
I admit that I read it fast and my mind was made up at once that this came from al gore’s group.
What do they want us to do? Starve with the rest of the world?
Still, it is interesting and I think, if you can, then plant food.
Other countries make water out of the ocean water, why not in California?
Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A. [Phoenix, Arizona]
Interesting, I have heard of several kidnappings in Las Vegas, San Diego and Denver on the police scanners, that never made it into the news.
I am glad that you checked in, as I was wondering where everyone is.
buy a case of paper, we haven’t gotten started as yet and there are so many subjects that I haven’t touched as yet.
You be careful, it is an dangerous area you live in/near.
In the summer, Yucca does not cool off at night, but in Kingman it does in the summer, LOL, in the winter, it is so cold that you can’t tell if it cooled off or not.
I love Yucca in the winter.
Mailed the last post too soon, brain was still in gear.
Where you trained at Yucca, is on the edge of Dutchman’s Flats, and there you will find flat gold, thin ragged sheets almost as big as a dime.
It is over a little closer to the south/west mountains.
LOL talking cats... I have to tell you about our talking sheep...
We used to raise purebred Shropshire sheep and when I was in college, my sister decided she wanted to show them like I used to do. So, they were at Timmonium (Maryland State Fair) and my mother was helping my sister. My mother was crouched down behind one sheep who was on a fitting stand and she was carding and trimming the wool so you had a nice smooth blocky fleece. Anyway as she was working there a little red-headed freckled boy came up and started talking to the sheep - he said “Hey sheep - I’m going punch you in the nose - how would you like that!” My mother couldn’t resist and replied - “Nnnoottt verrrrrry wwellll” kind of imitating a sheep sound. The kid took off running calling his mother and yelling “I found a sheep that can talk” His mother came back with him.
My mother felt kind of bad for ‘fleecing’ the kid into thinking the sheep had talked. So she explained to the mother that it was she and not the sheep that had spoken to her son. The mother replied - “I thought it was strange that HE found a talking sheep.” Not strange that a sheep would be talking but definitely strange that her son would be the one to find one. People!!!
Granny I know you have headphones or speakers, so I thought you might like this:
You can look up the old hymns and they have all the words, in addition to a little player for each tune. My mom loves it.
LOL you must have missed my note about it - maybe it was a FReep mail about my recollections of Yucca... (I then felt that maybe I had offended when you were telling someone about being a prospector.)
I spent 6 weeks at the foot of Hualapai Peak - kind of NW of Yucca. We were playing war games. That was in 1963 in a training exercise called ‘Desert Strike’.
Lots of rattlesnakes, cactus and even flash floods through those arroyos without a cloud in the sky.
I loved the prospectors converted farm wagon/hovel/all-purpose mule powered vehicles. Perfect bug-out setup. (maybe a little slow though).
Well Granny, I turned into a pumpkin about an hour ago, so guess I better hit the hay.
Look forward to catching up in the morning. Hope the weather breaks there for you.
Ouch! 48 killed in plane crash in Buffalo, NY. about an hour and a half ago...
I don’t know if I can keep up with you! More subjects...great! Keep ‘em coming.
Don’t know if you’ve seen it yet, but there was a horrible plane crash in Buffalo, NY @10:20 (our time). 44 people and 4 crew dead. Was reading the posts on FR. So sad.
Prayers for those poor souls and their families.
Take care and stay warm.
P.S. Yes it is a dangerous area and a dangerous world. We are protected. My husband and I are both “protected.”
Texas Recalls All Items From Peanut Plant
Texas orders a recall of all products ever shipped from a now-closed Peanut
Corp. of America plant in Plainview amid a nationwide salmonella outbreak.
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Granny, let me know if you want me to ping everyone from the old thread to tell them that you are back and that the new thread has started here. A couple of weeks ago, I went through the old thread and got the names of everyone who posted a message. I have those names in a file that I just found LOL.
I think we should let everyone know that there is new important info here and that they should come and get it.
The mother replied - I thought it was strange that HE found a talking sheep. Not strange that a sheep would be talking but definitely strange that her son would be the one to find one. People!!!<<<
That sounds like Doug Brown, when he was about 4 or 5, I had spent several years getting a crop of lemons on my Myers lemon tree, they are small and grow well in pots, so were outside my door getting sun.
Doug thought they were just the right size for throwing, so he picked them, and then I drove in and he threw them over the top of the car at me.
OK, that I could understand, but then he came around the car and checked to see if he had hit me..........
Your boy at the fair, was a meanie, who as his mother well knew, would never get talked to by anyone.
It’s so great that you joined FReeRepublic. I love seeing new users on here. I hope you get a lot from it (although maybe you’ve been lurking here for a while). LOL I had to join within a few minutes of discovering this place in 2002. It’s addictive!
Thanks, I will check it out soon, I did open it and bookmark it.
My phonograph quit working, so can’t listen to my records.
LOL you must have missed my note about it - maybe it was a FReep mail about my recollections of Yucca... (I then felt that maybe I had offended when you were telling someone about being a prospector.)<<<
I remember that you were stationed at Yucca, but don’t recall anything that was offensive to me, the truth is damned big rattlesnakes and lots of them, flash floods and so hot you can’t breathe and in the winter so beautiful and healing that you want to stay.
But no worse than the Wellton area.
I tried to move there 3 different times and every time, the deals fell through and on the last one, there was something strange with it and I would still be fighting the greenies and BLM.
I was sure that if I had a burro, I could find all that I was missing as Bill drove by all the spots that I wanted to stop.
BREAKING NEWS: Plane On Fire Lands Safely
A plane with an engine fire has landed safely at McCarran Airport, according to
the Federal Aviation Administration.
MORE DETAILS: http://www.fox5vegas.com/tu/5ExKDvxdH.html
Odd, with your New York crash, above was coming in about 1 or 2 pm, as I heard it on kdwn.com or kdwn radio is what I listen to.
Does make me nervous.
Sleep well and safely.
See post 921 for a plane with an engine fire in Las Vegas today.
Leaves lots of questions.
The news says it hit a house in New York, how sad and heartbreaking, the fire is spreading right now still.
Don’t think that I will get to anything new tonight, as I too am thinking fondly of my bed.
Have a good nights sleep, we have to take on tomorrow shortly.
I did send out a ping a day or so ago, but only to the names on my ping list.
If you want to send to your list, I do not see any reason to not do so, and will even say please do so.
Thank you for thinking of it.
That is odd to have two airplane incidents in such a short time. Hmmmm....
Just pinging you all to the new survival thread on FR. Granny is well and back to posting, hooray!!
Please forgive me if this is a repeat ping. I know some of you have already been here.
Handy Farm Devices And How To Make Them
(very detailed resource published in 1910)
Great Depression Predictions may be too Sanguine
Please add me to you PING list ........ ;)
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Make Your Own Laundry Detergent
Posted By Suzanne McMinn On December 14, 2008 @ 1:05 am In Handmade Soaps, Primitive Crafts & Country Style
Make laundry soap at home! You can! Its easy and frugal and doesnt even take very long.
The ingredients are simple and inexpensiveBorax, washing soda and/or baking soda, and any plain soap such as Ivory.
Borax, washing soda, and baking soda are all natural laundry boosters that help remove soils, fight stains, and freshen laundrybasically, they are soap enhancers.
You can find Borax and the laundry-size baking soda in the laundry aisle at the store, and many places you can also find washing soda there, too, but I had a hard time finding washing soda here.
(Tip: If you live in this areathe only place I found that carried washing soda was Smiths Food Fair in Big Chimney.)
You can find a number of laundry soap recipes (and soap bar suggestions) here. I tried Recipe #3, which includes one-third of a large bar of soap, 1/2 cup Borax, and 1/2 cup washing soda.
I didnt find that it was quite strong enough to suit me, and so with some experimentation, I came up with my own recipe. If youre interested in making laundry soap, I suggest you do the sametry a recipe or two, then experiment and modify until you find the mixture that works for you. Try mine for starters if you like!
I doubled the Borax in the original recipe and used a combination of washing soda and baking soda, as well as doubling the soap. (I didnt want to double the washing soda since that might be too hard on fabrics. I can get the added cleaning power with the addition of the gentler baking soda.) This mixture makes over two gallons of detergent.
How to make Homemade Laundry Soap:
1 regular (not large bath-size) bar of plain soap
1 cup Borax
1/2 cup washing soda
1/2 cup baking soda
Grate the soap. (Soap grates easily.)
Heat 3 pints (6 cups) of water on the stove and add the grated soap. Stir occasionally, until the soap melts.
I use a pint jar and a quart jar for all the water measuring for this recipe as its faster than doing it one cup at a time.
Once the grated soap is melted, add 1 cup Borax, 1/2 cup washing soda, and 1/2 cup baking soda, stirring to dissolve.
I use a large pot, large enough to hold all the water Ill need for my mixture so I dont have to get a separate pail. If your pot isnt large enough to hold over two gallons, youll have to transfer the mixture to a bucket at this point.
Add one quart jar of very hot water to your soap mixture.
Stir well. Add six more quarts of cold water. (If youd like to add some scent, now is the time. Add 10-15 drops. I dont add scentits no big deal to me and would increase the cost. Im happy with my laundry simply smelling fresh.) Stir well again and ladle or scoop the mixture into your container(s).
Ive found that three large plastic coffee containers are exactly right to hold this recipe. They come with handy snap-on lids and one is just right to keep by the washer for daily use.
Use 1/2 cup per large load of laundry. Mixture may gel or clump as it sits, so stir before each use. (I keep a 1/2 cup scoopin a plastic bowl to prevent messon top of my washer to measure out the detergent. I just stir it with the scoop before measuring it out.)
Works for me! And its cheap. For the price of a couple of average size containers of store-bought laundry detergent, I can make gallons and gallons and gallons of homemade laundry detergent. (Its better for the environment, toono steady stream of containers to throw away.)
Its easier to stock up and store the Borax, washing soda, baking soda, and soap bars than cumbersome containers of store-bought detergent, and it only takes 15-20 minutes to whip up a new batch when needed.
If you do any experimenting, Id love to hear about it!
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Thank you for sending the pings.
Welcome and glad you found us.
Thank you for the links and information.
You are on the ping list, which is a ‘once in a while ping’.
Did you find thread #1, it has 10,000 posts in it and is full of important information.
One never knows what we need to learn, for down the road or next month.
I thank all of you for adding to the information here.
Thank you. I have not seen that 1st thread.
Dogs’ miraculous survival lifts spirits in Alexandra
When Peter Dowling saw his wife patting a pillow and calling it Coco, he knew the deadly Taggerty bushfire had broken her mind.
Nina Mortimer’s two dogs were her babies, and on Sunday morning she was told by her neighbours they had not managed to rescue the dogs.
By the end of the day she was in Alexandra Hospital, and Mr Dowling thought his wife was in the midst of a mental breakdown.
He and his wife were away from their house on Saturday, and when they heard about the fires they told the neighbours to take their dogs to safety. The message from their neighbours was “no worries”.
But it was a very different story when they drove into Alexandra on Sunday to meet their neighbours. Mr Dowling said he knew something was wrong as soon as he saw his neighbours’ car.
“I walked past the car and looked in and there weren’t any dogs there and I felt really bad,” he told the ABC.
“I walked into the pub and I looked at them and their faces just fell. They said to my wife ‘we’re so sorry, we just didn’t have the time to get the dogs out.’
“Nina just broke down. She said if the house was probably gone and the babies had died in there, she wasn’t ever going back again.”
Grief can do unusual things to people, and Nina’s mind started playing cruel tricks on her.
She was convinced her dogs were still alive, and when Mr Dowling walked into the relief centre later that afternoon he saw her cradling a pillow in her arms.
“She was saying, ‘The dogs are OK, Coco and Cody are fine, I’ve got them just here’ and she was patting the pillow,” he said.
“I knew she was having a breakdown so I took her to the hospital and on Monday they were booking her into the psychiatric ward.”
Just as Ms Mortimer was being assessed by psychiatrists however, stories began filtering in from Taggerty of a miraculous survival story.
“I got a phone call and the neighbours said there was a rumour going around the CFA there was a house still standing and there were dogs going barking their heads off inside,” he said.
Taggerty residents rushed up to the house to get the dogs out, and what followed not only saved the dogs’ lives but three houses.
“When everyone went up there they found a shed next door that was on fire,” he said.
“And if people hadn’t gone up there and put that out the whole row of houses would have gone up.”
The dogs had been trapped inside the house for over 48 hours as flames engulfed the area, filling the rooms with toxic black smoke and ash. But as Mr Mortimer said: “you wouldn’t have known it.”
“They were fine and they were jumping all over us. We were so relieved and they were so relieved,” Mr Mortimer said.
If the news of her dogs’ deaths pushed Ms Mortimer over the edge, the news of their rescue was the lifeline that brought her back from the brink.
“She’s become a new person, a renewed person,” he said.
“She’s made a lot of new friends, we all have.”
Coco and Cody’s escape has become somewhat of a local legend around the Alexandra and Taggerty region.
“Yesterday a friend from Narbathong came up to me and asked if I’d heard the doghouse story,” Mr Mortimer said.
“Everyone’s calling it the story of the doghouse. I might put a sign up outside saying this is the scene of the famous doghouse.”
I looked back at it and my description of Yucca was'almost' right LOL T'was Gold they were after and I thought it was Silver -
LOL - last time I was there, Yucca consisted of a automobile test track outside of town, a VERY General store/hotel and about 8 or 9 houses. That General Store sold hay for mules, even had a stable and blacksmith, provided assay service for the miners, sold provisions, bar, meals, and even had a number of Comfort Girls who provided for the needs of the silver prospectors. I really liked to see their converted farm wagons which had a back porch that they loaded with hay, had their bed, kitchen, food storage, everything! All pulled by a pair of mules. They would go out prospecting and bring their gleanings in to the store - have it assayed and sell it - bought their provisions for the next trip and then blew the remaining money at the bar and with their temporary partners. When it was gone, they would hitch up their mules and go trailing off into the distance in their search.
You were certainly right as to where the prospectors went - I remember them trailing off toward the West - toward a mountain range that was East of the Colorado river boundry with California.
The wagons they had reminded me of the Gypsy wagons I'd seen pictures of in Romania or Hungary.
Never can figure that one out. City folks want out of the city because they think they'd like what we've got, then the first thing they do is bring their rules and regs right along with 'em.
Really wish I knew how to build rock walls and had the strength to do it.
Me too!!! For me the strength pretty much gets me but I would try anyway. Even just my stacking of rocks along the beds and wherever I want them adds to my place I think. I don't know what I'd do with a whole river full of boulders. We got lots of rocks but they're mostly little. They build up nice though.
Last year, we didn't think we were going to get any greens (we get them from the state prison where my wife works a farm crew). When we finally did, I called Mom and told her we were bringing greens. She immediately took her LAST HELPING of greens that she had frozen and cooked them up. She was saving them for winter, afraid that there wouldn't be any more. THe next day, she had greens 12" deep in her bathtub, both sinks full, and more waiting. We had 6 huge bags that we just couldn't get to. I hated to waste it, so it went to the compost pile.
Thanks, Granny. I don’t have chard on my garden list this year, but maybe I will add it and try it again.
Thanks, too, for this thread and the first one. I haven’t made it all the way though the first one yet, but have had it bookmarked for quite a while. You’re a wealth of knowledge and I thank you for sharing it with all of us.
“A keg of Rum and a sharp cutlass. Yo Ho Ho.”
When the balloon goes up, I’m coming to YOUR bunker, LOL!
LOL I had to stop and think for a second on that.
Since I have 3 two liter bottles of a wine making experiment where you have balloons on top for the air-lock - when the balloon goes up, the yeast is working - when the balloon goes down, the wine is ready!
First thought was hey another balloon wine maker - wonder how it works for them...
Hey, they still let you have a prison farm in TN?
We used to have one in Sussex county but the courts ruled that expecting prisoners to slop hogs, milk cows, fork manure, weed a field were all demeaning, cruel punishments.
Gee, I always was told they built character, responsibility and self-sufficiency.
Makes you question judges judgment when those are banned but picking up the anthropological refuse tossed from car windows along the highway is wholesome and refreshing for the inmates.
If I'm not on that list, please add me. Too much good stuff here to miss out.
Same goes for me!
Dittos, here. Please add my name to the list.
Thanks for the ping 10th; thanks for the frugal dad link and the start of another great thread, granny. (I hadn’t seen this one)
The posts are flying. Thanks to all posters/linkers/researchers/educators. Life/health/survival BUMP!
I guess the request should go to you. Please add me to your list.
Yes, they do! Until a few years ago, this prison was self sufficient. They cut back a few years ago, but it's amazing what all they do. They have a dairy that provides milk to Turner dairies. They grow tons of vegetables, and send overstock to other prisons in the West Tn area. They have a small engine shop where I got 2 craftsman mowers overhauled and painted for parts plus $20. They have a leather shop where we get custom belts, cell holders, whatever you can think up. There is an upholstery shop, they cut and sell firewood, and have orchards.
It would be a great place if it wasn't for the 2600 maximum security inmates...lol. There are even a few good fishing holes, when you can get permission to fish.
My folks made wine that way. Welch’s grape juice concentrate, sugar, yeast, water. Into a big jug with a big balloon on top.
That was some wicked stuff. Sort of like Mad Dog 20/20 when it was done, LOL!
What I was talkin’ about:
‘This expression comes from World War I, when British artillery sent up a balloon to notify gunners to open fire, this visual signal being more reliable than courier or telephone. It was soon transferred to signal other kinds of beginning. ’
LOL - Yep, after waking up a bit I knew what you meant... It was just that first bleary-eyed catching of the balloon that caused me to jump to the conclusion.
Maybe I take that association memory method too far - like when I tried to remember Mrs. Shaw’s name - so I associated it with the weaver that she was (had a beautiful loom) But I could never get my associations right in my mind so I always called her Mrs. Weaver - which brought a scowl from Rev. Shaw - her husband. (Friends - but not my church...)
Hey, maybe it was the Wisconsin that did it - made me think of cheese and that meant that wine went along with it... See how dangerous that association method is... Ms. Wine... or is that Ms. Cheese... Maybe I should just go back to bed - 4 hours sleep was not enough...
That balloon thing was kind of like -
Ready on the right - ready on the left - fire at will...