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Vanity - Question about my now deceased home computer
02.17.09 | Perdogg

Posted on 02/17/2009 4:21:46 AM PST by Perdogg

I download some music this morning and when I removed my USB connector to my Sony MP3 player my computer went dead. I tried a hard boot, but the computer is not booting up.

I am assuming that "she's dead, jim", right? The fan won't start and my zip drive has conniption fits when I start try to start her up. My CD rom won't open either.

Is there any way I can recover the contents of my hard drive? How do I dispose of the computer and get rid of the personal information.

Is this a good computer?


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1 posted on 02/17/2009 4:21:46 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

When you say “fan” do you mean the power supply or the fan that cools the CPU?


2 posted on 02/17/2009 4:23:07 AM PST by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. Now they're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: Perdogg

Sounds simple.....new power supply. One with no dust bunnies !


3 posted on 02/17/2009 4:23:12 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Perdogg

S3


4 posted on 02/17/2009 4:23:18 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: George Smiley

Yes.


5 posted on 02/17/2009 4:24:08 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: palmer

I bought my computer in November of 2002, I guess it’s time to get a new one, right?


6 posted on 02/17/2009 4:25:04 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg
SpinRite from Gibson Research might be able to recover data from a malfunctioning hard drive, if that is the problem. However, the hard drive itself might be fine. Perhaps the power supply went belly up or the circuit the computer is on tripped.
7 posted on 02/17/2009 4:26:17 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Perdogg
Looks fine...ditch the "Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 64bit "
XP Office, if possible.
8 posted on 02/17/2009 4:27:52 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: Perdogg; hiredhand

Assuming the hard drive itself is good, once you acquire a replacement, if it’s not a laptop and has room for a second hard drive, you should be able to take the old hard drive and hook it up as a “slave”, and then copy anything you want to from it to the “master” that’s the primary in the replacement computer.

Once that’s done, do a “wipe” (do a search on “disk wipe”, here’s one sample: http://www.cezeo.com/products/disk-redactor/ )on the old drive, then “beat the tar” out of it with a large hammer.

Or, you could just leave the “old” drive installed and point the Windows swap file at it, taking some of the load off the primary drive.


9 posted on 02/17/2009 4:28:06 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Perdogg

It sounds like it’s a power issue and not a hard drive issue. 2002, you would probably enjoy a new computer and you can get a really good one for a few hundred dollars now. (Dell is under $300 at Walmart) Geek Squad at Best Buy or a computer repair shop should be able to take your hard drive out (let them so you don’t fry it with static, they have the right flooring for that) and move the information and data to your new computer for not a high charge.


10 posted on 02/17/2009 4:28:24 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: 6SJ7

The power to the computer is fine. The green light on the back of my computer comes on then goes off.


11 posted on 02/17/2009 4:28:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: DuncanWaring

thanks!


12 posted on 02/17/2009 4:28:53 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg

Funny timing?

You can always add the current hard drive as a second hard drive on your new computer. Then read or transfer the information.

Make sure you didn’t pull the power cord loose or something simple like that. Weird things happen. I’ve seen my share.


13 posted on 02/17/2009 4:28:54 AM PST by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: Perdogg

Speaking generally?

Get a unit like this one ( there are several makers of them ):

http://www.newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php
Universal Drive Adapter

Pull your hard drive, hook up the adapter, and borrow a friend’s computer to find & copy your files.

Or, you could get another PC and connect the old HD as a slave or secondary drive, and poke around for your stuff.

Another idea would be to blow out the case ( to get rid of dust ) and try a replacement power supply.


14 posted on 02/17/2009 4:31:58 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: Perdogg
I tend to agree with the previous post that the symptoms reflect a power supply failure. If your PC is not a laptop then it is a relatively simple fix. If your are tool handy, cost should be about $40 for the power supply and an hour of your time.

If you desire to replace your 2002 PC which is somewhat elderly, I would make a deal at the local dealer to transfer the data from the old Hard Drive to the new PC for no or minimal charge.

15 posted on 02/17/2009 4:32:09 AM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I couldn’t agree more. 64-bit Vista (ANY edition) is a P.O.S.


16 posted on 02/17/2009 4:33:21 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Perdogg

Most likely a power supply or cabling issue. Check the internal power connection from the power supply to the motherboard, make sure it’s seated properly. Look for a model number on your motherboard and google it.

I had a motherboard that did a similar thing to me, and it turned out that if you unhooked all external connections to it, pulled out all the RAM (except for one piece), then powered up, powered down, replace one item, power up, etc, etc, then it would work fine again.

Weird issues can crop up out of nowhere like that. It happens, unfortunately. And, unlike what some other fools are saying, your OS has nothing to do with it.


17 posted on 02/17/2009 4:33:46 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Perdogg

If the PC won’t power up (a box fault) then open the case, remove the hard-drive and - when you have brought a new computer - plug it in as a secondary or “slave” hard-drive. You should then be able to read the data fine.

If the PC will power up but it fails to enter Windows (or whatever your operating system is) correctly, probably due to corruption on the hard-drive - then I recommend buying “SPINRITE”. It’s not free, but it is not expensive and it is a superb little application which will serve you well through life. Stick the Spinrite application on a floppy or other bootable media, and use that to cure your hard-drive.

Hope this is helpful.


18 posted on 02/17/2009 4:33:47 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: DuncanWaring
"you could just leave the “old” drive installed"

And also use it to backup the primary drive.

It took years but I have retired all my tape systems. I do backup to multiple external devices (USB and NAS) but I'm all disc backup media finally (old habits die hard).

19 posted on 02/17/2009 4:35:14 AM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: tgusa
64-bit Vista (ANY edition) is a P.O.S.

Odd. My 64-bit Vista Home Premium is outstanding. Far superior to my XP systems.

20 posted on 02/17/2009 4:35:51 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Perdogg
The green light on the back of my computer comes on then goes off.

Depending upon the PC Manufacturer, this is not indicative that the power is fine, it may merely be saying that the AC Power is on. The fact that you do not hear the power supply fan, integral to all PCs except for the Mac Cube types, makes it likely to be Power Supply death, especially given the suddenness of the problem.

21 posted on 02/17/2009 4:37:14 AM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: tgusa
I couldn’t agree more. 64-bit Vista (ANY edition) is a P.O.S.

yup, agreed w/ that...

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22 posted on 02/17/2009 4:37:21 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c you're paranoid, doesn't mean "they" aren't out to get you.. :^)
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To: Perdogg
7 years old in computer years is a tad long in the tooth.

It sounds like your power supply blew. It happens. You have a few choices. Get a new PS and install (it's not that hard) in your existing system; buy a new system, (I don't know anything about the brand you inquired about, but the specs look good enough.) and put your old harddrive in there as a second drive; refurbish old system as suggested, but put it into use as a separate data store, or auxiliary system, or give it to your kid (if you have one) to play around on.

23 posted on 02/17/2009 4:39:31 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Perdogg
The power to the computer is fine. The green light on the back of my computer comes on then goes off.

Can you hear the fan running when you turn on the PC? When you say the green light comes on then goes off, is that instantly?

The power supply may be fine, but the power cable may be bad. Or, there may be a loose cable within the box itself. To check for a loose cable, unplug the box from the outlet, then open the box. Be careful as you don't want static to discharge, ruining components within the box. As for a power cable, they're inexpensive and any computer store should have them available. That's the first thing I'd try.

24 posted on 02/17/2009 4:39:41 AM PST by bcsco (Illinois politicians should be read their Miranda rights when sworn in to office...)
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To: Perdogg
Of course, you could just use your back up files to restore to a new computer....

Assuming that you do back ups.

Most people don't, until they get burned.

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It would be the power supply. It could also be a problem with the motherboard.

If it were the drive that was bad, the machine would still try to start, and you would hear a low grinding type sound as the BIOS tries to communicate with the hard drive.

Can you boot from a CD/DVD drive or 3.5 floppy drive? If so, try putting a bootable disk in and see if the computer boots from the disk. If it won't, then the problem sounds to be the power supply or motherboard.

If that is the case, you (or your technician) can probably reclaim the data on the hard drive to a new computer.

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Computers are relatively cheap. Local tech charges $99 minimum to even open a case. New computers from Tigerdirect.com, for example, are as cheap as $299.

I bought my last system without keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc., to save a few $$$$.

Weigh the cost of repair against the cost of a new one.

25 posted on 02/17/2009 4:40:20 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Perdogg

Did you remove the USB drive from the back or the front of the computer?

Yes, there is a difference. The back one is on the motherboard and the front one is connected to the motherboard. It may be a short.


26 posted on 02/17/2009 4:46:29 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I run both XP Pro and Vista 64-bit Business. No problems with XP; Vista crashes at least once a day (although it recovers automatically without data loss) and I basically run Office 97 and Open Office on both, nothing too stressful. My Latitude D630 has the innards to supposedly be able to handle 64-bit Vista including 4 G RAM. Never should have ‘upgraded’ from 32-bit Business. I’m very disappointed w/ 64-bit Vista; glad it works OK for you, though.


27 posted on 02/17/2009 4:47:28 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: tgusa

How do I get a computer without Vista?? Macs are too expensive.


28 posted on 02/17/2009 4:52:07 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: AppyPappy

From the front.


29 posted on 02/17/2009 4:54:56 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg
How do I get a computer without Vista?? Macs are too expensive.

Ask for XP. Seriously. I bought 14 HP boxes last week with XP on them. I'll be buying another 50 or so in the next month. All will come pre-loaded with xP.

30 posted on 02/17/2009 4:56:27 AM PST by Malsua
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To: lainie; PennsylvaniaMom; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Tax-chick; TexasCajun; sarasota; ...

Join the computer talk!


31 posted on 02/17/2009 4:56:32 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Malsua

Will XP support Office 2007?


32 posted on 02/17/2009 4:57:12 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg

Open the computer and find where the USB port connects to the motherboard. If it is loose, push it in. If it isn’t, disconnect it.

Make sure you follow the right wire.


33 posted on 02/17/2009 5:00:09 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Perdogg
How do I get a computer without Vista??

You can buy a system that has no OS and install WinXP on it. This does take some techno know-how, as they will supply you with some kind of DOS -- disk operating system -- but you may have to format and install it on the blank hard drive.

Or, many computer dealers were selling 'VISTA' machines with the 'XP' downgrade available.

Do you have a tech you use or someone you know who has good basic computer techno knowledge? That could influence your decision.
34 posted on 02/17/2009 5:00:15 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Perdogg

Yes. I am running it now.

I prefer Vista 64 though.


35 posted on 02/17/2009 5:00:59 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Perdogg

If you look closely at the motherboard, it should tell you which connection is the USB. It’s usually in little writing on the board.


36 posted on 02/17/2009 5:02:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

thanks, I will probably buy a new computer. I got a ding on my windshield last week and tried to fix it myself. LOL!


37 posted on 02/17/2009 5:03:49 AM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg

I just bought a computer last night on line for my mother. I wanted to get something with limited stuff packed onto the hard drive and ended up going with a model at
Tigerdirect.com

I purchased this item: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3403941&CatId=4036

100% made in the USA and their support is excellent. I could spend less and get more stuff but I get to start out with a pretty empty hard drive and put MY stuff on it and it will be plenty fast.


38 posted on 02/17/2009 5:05:42 AM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Democrat socialist liberal scumbags.....how did we let this happen!)
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To: Perdogg

Clear fingernail polish.

If you can get the computer to come up, you can get your files into a USB drive.


39 posted on 02/17/2009 5:06:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Perdogg

Your computer needs several different levels of power. It’s quite possible to have one or more of those levels just right but another be really off. Power supplies are notoriously fickle.


40 posted on 02/17/2009 5:09:00 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Perdogg
How do I get a computer without Vista?? Macs are too expensive.

Dell online still has them available with XP...

41 posted on 02/17/2009 5:10:14 AM PST by bcsco (Illinois politicians should be read their Miranda rights when sworn in to office...)
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To: SES1066

Agree......newer ATX 2.0 power supplies will not supply voltage to the mombo if voltages are not stable to other peripherals. Built in safety feature to keep from smokin’ te mombo.


42 posted on 02/17/2009 5:10:33 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

Here’s the same computer for the same price with more RAM and a bigger hard drive

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4395999&CatId=2658

I would go for something better than 6100 graphics if you could. Radeon 3xxx or ATI 70xx graphics will enable you to do home theatre if you ever decide to do it.


43 posted on 02/17/2009 5:11:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Squantos

Probably.

About once a year I disconnect the box, take the cover off, take it on the porch, and approach it - very slowly.

With my Briggs & Stratton blower.

Plug it back in, power it up, verify that all the cards and connectors are seated good, and get back online!


44 posted on 02/17/2009 5:12:23 AM PST by djf
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To: djf
Interesting I would not have thought of using my blower but I did put my keyboard in the dishwasher one time. The keys had gotten where they stuck a little and washing in the dishwasher fixed it right up.
45 posted on 02/17/2009 5:16:42 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Perdogg

Good question. I think Dell still offers laptops with XP if you specifically request it. You should also be able to locate a LICENSED copy of XP on eBay - read the description carefully though. I’m toying with switching over to Linux but it’s a bear to learn - have yet to locate a really good learning tool for Ubuntu, which I have on an older hard drive. Macs are great if you’re independently wealthy which I most definitely am not.


46 posted on 02/17/2009 5:18:02 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: djf; Perdogg

I would be afraid I was pushing the dust into the fins of the CPU heatsink. I use a vacuum.

Here’s an example of what I meant by graphics

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4355333&CatId=2658

This has a Radeon 3200 graphics processor built in. I was able to play some pretty stout games on this GPU (at low levels) on my kids computer. It should be able to do home theater if you ever decide to go that route.


47 posted on 02/17/2009 5:18:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Perdogg
Will XP support Office 2007?

Yes.

As others have said, it sounds like your current power supply has left for greener pastures. It's quite possible one or the other voltages(12v/5v)has failed in the supply. This allows some signs of life yet the machine won't start. It probably is time to get a new computer though.

48 posted on 02/17/2009 5:23:19 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Perdogg

some pc’s won’t start up if the fan isn’t working. if you have pets in the house, or some hair has gotten caught with the dust on the fan blades they may not be turning. try cleaning it out first.


49 posted on 02/17/2009 5:26:24 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: AppyPappy

Good price.

Never used an Acer box, though. Most of my stuff is Asus, Gateway, or Toshiba.

Always had very good luck with the Asus stuff.


50 posted on 02/17/2009 5:27:50 AM PST by djf
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