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What if Republicans became the party talking up the economy, and being optimistic?

Posted on 02/21/2009 4:42:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

"It's morning in America".

Those words, defined greatness, and conservativism for a generation.

"Mr. Gorbachev... tear down this wall!".

What if Republicans, and conservatives, simply were to reject the gloom and doom of the socialist left - and be about real hope.

Liberals are such pathetic whiners. It won't take long for Americans to tire of them, if presented a real contrast.


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KEYWORDS: city; optimism; reagan; shining
Defeatism never won an election.

Conservatives fundamentally are more about optimism. "Can-do".

It is this poster's opinion, Obama and the defeatism which the left is now adopting, are a hugh opportunity.

Carpe Diem!

1 posted on 02/21/2009 4:42:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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2 posted on 02/21/2009 4:43:41 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

They would be making McCain’s mistake....


3 posted on 02/21/2009 4:46:13 AM PST by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: misterrob

McCain’s an optimist?

When did that start??? :)


4 posted on 02/21/2009 4:48:42 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

McCain made the comment about the soundness of the economy or something to that effect as the financial system was blowing up.


5 posted on 02/21/2009 4:49:42 AM PST by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: misterrob

That “fundamentally sound” comment defeated McCain.
No we must attack politically for a year at least.


6 posted on 02/21/2009 4:50:37 AM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error , a big one.)
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To: misterrob

Yeah well. McCain said a lot of things.

Mostly he complains, and rebels.

We need John Wayne.

Strong. Confident. Assured. And optimistic.

McCain is just mostly, a complainer.


7 posted on 02/21/2009 4:51:19 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
No...the repubies need to become the party that grew a set....now is the time for someone within the party to stand up a say what needs to be said....that we are on the brink and the party that brought us here are the ‘Rats. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK and then ATTACK again. False optimism will just be viewed as the same old same old from the spineless party. The time to STAND UP and FIGHT is now!
8 posted on 02/21/2009 5:01:16 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need John Wayne.

No, we need Ronald Reagan (while you're talking about dead people)

Strong. Confident. Assured. And optimistic.

You've just described the Obamination. (of course you left out dead wrong about everything)

9 posted on 02/21/2009 5:01:54 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

Obama pretends to be strong - but reads scripted pap from a teleprompter.

Obama stopped being optimistic. day one.

Now he’s become a whining alarmist. That’s my point.


10 posted on 02/21/2009 5:08:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I think this is just the thing we need. The only caveat I would throw out is we need to be honest. America can be fixed, and our best days can be ahead of us, but to get there is going to require sacrifice and pain. But, we “can-do”. This is a huge opportunity, if we will only take it.


11 posted on 02/21/2009 5:08:56 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: from occupied ga

“We need Ronald Reagan”

That was my thought, but it ain’t gonna happen. But we can get someone just as good. Who? I don’t know, time will shake that out. One more thing, you were right about BO being “Strong. Confident. Assured. And Optimistic.” And he is also dead wrong about everything. Ronald Reagan was all those things as well, except he was right on nearly every call he made. Lord, I sure miss him, and we could really use someone of his caliber now.-—JM


12 posted on 02/21/2009 5:19:10 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Conservatives should resist the urge to talk up the economy. It only helps Obama. Let it tank.


13 posted on 02/21/2009 5:24:33 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Obama stopped being optimistic. day one.

I wonder if we're living in the same universe. The Obamination is portrayed as all of these things by his adoring sycophants in the MSM. The perception is the same as the reality when it comes to politics. Oh and on the bit about strong - getting his socialist spending bill rammed through the Kongress in the face of rising opposition from the peasants shows strength not weakness.

14 posted on 02/21/2009 5:24:36 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

While taking a positive stance should be the way to go, it must be noted that no matter how positive repubs come put, there is enough Dims to completely sabotage anything good that may happen. Not only are the Dims capable of sabotaging thing, they are willing to do whatever damage it takes.


15 posted on 02/21/2009 5:28:05 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Jubal Madison
That was my thought, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Anyone with Reagan characteristics would be cut off from any funding by the Republican (Democrat lite) party so fast that they'd get friction burns.

And the Obamination is just like every other socialist tyrant in history. Full of arrogance, stupidty and the burning desire to force his warped version of society on everyone. Of course to him it is not warped it is perfection because he is perfect (the adoring media tells him so constantly).

16 posted on 02/21/2009 5:31:08 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I just Googled Obama Fear Crisis and I got 11,900,000 results. I’d say he’s overplaying his hand. Huckabee just brushed it off and said the fear card was a weapon in every President’s arsenal. True, but when fear is your primary weapon, it will turn off even the Drones in this country. A strong, optimistic, straight on approach to this current problem would probably halve the magnitude of it.


17 posted on 02/21/2009 5:38:20 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Reagan knew (at least) two things:

1) Our economic capacity was greater than the USSR's - in a war of production, the Soviet Union would fail.
2) Our domestic economic problem was largely Inflation - gov't can fix inflation by raising interest rates.

Reagan could say "It's morning in America" because he knew he could deal with both problems, and make things better.

If our economic problem is global, and if it is primarily Deflation, there is nothing a president can do. In such a scenario, it's 9PM and the idiot president would be declaring "It's morning!" Nope. We have to go through a dark night of the soul first. A Republican would be the best choice to do it, but a happy, smiling, optimistic Republican would be laughed off the stage.

18 posted on 02/21/2009 5:39:02 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: Jubal Madison
I sure miss him, and we could really use someone of his caliber now.

Biggest mistake Reagan made was to pick Geo, Bush as his VP. What Reagan accomplished was squandered by the half witted Bush. Although he and his son were right on both wars and "W" on terrorism on economics they were very little better than the Dims. More rino than anything else. I appreciate President Bush keeping us safe but I'm glad he's gone. We need a Sara Palin or some one at least as conservative as her. More would be better.

19 posted on 02/21/2009 5:55:14 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Why should Reps be optimistic about the economy when we know that TARP, the Porkulus bill, and more spending to come will increase our national debt by huge amounts and saddle future generations with unfunded liabilities that will lower their standard of living?

The Reps need less happy talk and more anger. We are being sold down the river economically and in the process losing our individual liberties on a path to socialism. And our respnse should be some shucking and jiving and singing Oh Happy Days?

20 posted on 02/21/2009 6:03:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: ontap

I agree. Sarah Palin would be good, and I would support her, I think it’s a little early to hitch our wagons to Gov. Palin just yet. I would like to see who is out there. With the current administration and congress, there are plenty of opportunities for a conservative leader to rise up. I’m not putting down Gov. Palin, I just think we can afford to wait and see who else is out there.


21 posted on 02/21/2009 6:05:16 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ontap
Biggest mistake Reagan made was to pick Geo, Bush as his VP.

I was in Cobo Hall in Detroit at the Republican National Convention in 1980 when Reagan announced Bush as his VP choice. After he said, "George Bush," he was drowned out by cheering. However, I wasn't one of the cheerers. I felt even then that Reagan had selected a man who would eventually undo whatever he accomplished.

If Reagan had to have Bush as his VP, he should have groomed a successor, such as Jack Kemp, by giving him a prominet Cabinet position.

22 posted on 02/21/2009 6:11:50 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Jubal Madison

Wholeheartedly agree!!


23 posted on 02/21/2009 6:15:20 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: misterrob; Cringing Negativism Network
McCain made the comment about the soundness of the economy or something to that effect as the financial system was blowing up.

McCain made the point that, althougfh the financial system got itself into a mess, the FUNDAMENTALS of the economy (the American work ethic, free enterprise, American innovation) were still strong.

McCain: Fundamentals are (still) strong

McCain had been championing for the reform of the reckless sub-prime lending practices for years and was correct in his observations. If McCain's warnings had been heeded before this sub-prime mess blew up, the sound FUNDAMENTALS of the American economy and a sound financial system would now still be working together to bring continued prosperity to America.

John McCain Warned Us About Fannie and Freddie

However, McCain was ridiculed for his statement by both the Left and the Right.

So, we now find ourselves with a Marxist groupie in the White House that is working hard to destroy the FUNDAMENTALS of the American economy with each passing day. The FUNADAMENTALS of the economy may never be strong again in our lifetimes.

24 posted on 02/21/2009 6:23:55 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I don't think your idea is bad, it's the approach in implementing it that would make the difference.

We all know that the economy is crumbling. Of that there's no doubt. I personally have friends losing their jobs by the week and it's gotten to the point that I hardly ever open my email anymore because it's depressing seeing friends losing jobs (through no fault of their own) and not being in a position to help them.

But at some point, SOMEONE has to stop talking down the economy.

Obama has been talking down the economy for so long, including after his illegal ascension to the White House, that he seems to be "stuck on stupid" in that the only word that exits his piehole is "crisis" in describing the economy.

Now, I'm not in much of a position to give the Republican's advice. I'm a Conservative. I'm HARDCORE Conservative and I left the party back in 1990 after Bush #1 broke his promise not to raise taxes during that economic recession.

But if I were to give the Republican Party any sort of advice it would be this: stop talking the economy DOWN. Do not use the word "crisis" and stop comparing today to the depression. It's not the same thing fundamentally.

If we are on the virge of having another "Morning in America" then the Republican Party needs to link Obama to Carter. For example, "This is the worst economy since the Jimmy Carter recession.

That statement in fact, is true. We are on the virge of hyper-inflation with the way this administration has been printing up money and piling up debt.

Talking point #1: For all the Democrat's criticism's of Bush leaving a Trillion Dollar Deficit, the Obama Administration has more than DOUBLED it in his first 30 days in office. How did they do that? Expansion of Government spending programs and turning on the printing presses, just like the Carter years. Add it up: $787,000,000,000 in "Economic Screw-The-Rest-Of-Us" Government spending (aka: stealth reparations) + another $250,000,000,000 in "mortgage rescue" (aka: stealth reparations) means more than a TRILLION in Deficit Spending, and additional debt on our children and grandchildren. We haven't even added the approximately $350,000,000,000 to "fund" that debt, bringing the total up to about $1,400,000,000,000 (That's $1.4 trillion dollars) That's Generational THEFT.

Talking point #2: Anyone who's opened a credit card statement in the last month or so has seen their credit card rates skyrocket. I opened up my Capital One credit card statement yesterday and found that for "economic reasons" Capital One boosted my Platinum card rate from 7.9% to 17.9% even though my credit score is above 800 and I pay my bill IN FULL each month. That's double-digit inflation for credit card holders, and we haven't seen rates skyrocket like that since the Carter years. Millions of Capital One card holders got that notice this month from what I've read online, and other credit card companies are about to follow suit. (Watch out Bank of America and Chase card holders, you're next!) Funny thing is, Capital One received $3.5 BILLION in TARP funds, and went ahead and jacked up rates anyway. Talk about screwing their cardholders twice.

Talking Point #3: By the Democrat's own predictions, unemployment is going to reach approximately 10% before the economy gets any better. When is the last time we saw double-digit unemployment combined with double-digit inflation (and hyper-inflation?) That's right, it began in the Carter years.

I'm old enough to remember gas lines for blocks, double-digit mortgage rates, 18-20% CD rates, hyper-inflation and the creation of the "Misery Index" under the Carter Administration. I see so many parallels between today and the Carter Years it's downright scary.

Which brings me to talking point #4: IRAN. We had the hostage crisis under Jimmy Carter, in which 52 American's were held hostage by Iran for 444 days. It was only after Reagan was sworn into office that the Iranian's released the hostages, for fear of Ronald Wilson Reagan. Today, Iran is literally holding the United States and the rest of the world hostage with a rogue nuclear program, and stated intentions to "wipe Israel off the map." We are now seeing a member of the U.N. (Useless Nations in my book) threaten another member of the U.N. and ally of the United States with complete, total, nuclear destruction. The last time we saw this kind of brashness from Iran: This again smacks of the Carter Administration. Iran must be curtailed and stopped, which will not happen under a Democrat administration.

If the Republican's stick to the above four points and link Obama to Carter, I think they'd have a real chance of taking back the House in 2010. The Senate is very questionable due to the fact that the Republican's are still defending more seats than the Dem's in 2010. The Republican's first real chance to get the Senate back may be in 2012. Having said that, simply getting the House back may be enough to stall Obama until the 2012 elections --- if this country has that long.

Just my .02

25 posted on 02/21/2009 6:52:45 AM PST by usconservative (The Obama Presidency is historic alright. Historic in it's abysmal failure in less than 30 days!!!)
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To: omega4179
That “fundamentally sound” comment defeated McCain.

Which really sucks since McCain NEVER SAID that the economy was "fundamentally sound".

McCain said that "the FUNDAMENTALS OF the economy ((the American work ethic, free enterprise, American innovation) were still strong."

McCain: Fundamentals of Economy Are Strong

See Post 24.

Maybe the comment defeated McCain because even our own side does not seem to be able to tell the difference between the plural noun "fundamentals" and the adverb "fundamentally" and then pulls phrases such as “fundamentally sound” out of thin air.

Maybe the comment defeated McCain because even our own side twists McCain's words around to claim that McCain said that the "economy is fundamentally sound", a ridiculous statement, instead of pointing out that McCain actually said that "the FUNDAMENTALS of the economy (the American work ethic, free enterprise, American innovation) are still strong", a true statement at the time it was said.

If the Financial Fairy waved her magic wand and changed the past so that the idiotic mortgages of the past six years had never been been issued and responsible businesses could still get business loans at the local bank, would our free enterprise American economy be healthy now?

If the answer to that question is "Yes", then McCain was correct, and the FUNDAMENTALS of the American economy were still strong at the time.

If the answer to that question is "No", then McCain was wrong and the fundamentals of the American economy such as free enterprise and innovation and private initiative needed to be replaced by socialist fundamentals as Obama is trying to do now.

26 posted on 02/21/2009 7:09:02 AM PST by Polybius
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To: usconservative
We all know that the economy is crumbling. Of that there's no doubt. I personally have friends losing their jobs by the week and it's gotten to the point that I hardly ever open my email anymore because it's depressing seeing friends losing jobs (through no fault of their own) and not being in a position to help them.

But at some point, SOMEONE has to stop talking down the economy

That, as Hannity pointed out this week as he choked while praising the man, is Bill Clinton.

Clinton to Obama: Talk optimistically on economy

27 posted on 02/21/2009 7:19:06 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
I don't get to listen to Sean Hannity much, so I didn't get to hear that, but my over-riding point is simply this: Link Obama to Jimmy Carter.

This isn't the worst economy since the Great Depression. By saying it is, it sends people into a panic state (for lack of a better term) because they don't have a reference point or 'memory' of the Depression. Fear of the unknown drives more fear. We have to connect the 'fear' to something more tangible that they can undrestand exactly the type of mess that we're in, and that in fact there is a way out of it. I use the Carter Presidency to demonstrate the mess.

What the majority of American's will have (at least those of us who were at least 10 years old when Carter first took office) is a direct memory of how bad the Carter Presidency was: Double-digit and hyper-inflation, the 'misery index', gasoline rationing, Carter on TV wearing a cardigan sweater telling people to 'turn their thermostats down' and the hostage crisis.

Those are the people that the message and the talking points I outlined were geared towards. That's the majority of the population whether they voted for Obama or not.

I've heard so many Obama voters express regret for voting for that POC, in that they said they didn't know what they were getting when they voted for him. Linking him to Carter is a way for them to visually connect for them exactly what they did. When I've used the 'talking points' I outlined in my post above, it's been a pretty powerful tool for people to connect the dots and understand exactly the mess we're in.

I think using Carter as a backdrop for Obama works. At least it has in the conversations I've had with Obama voters that actually do remember the Carter years. I think linking Carter and Obama together is a powerful weapon, and the GOP should do it. I really do. But then again, I'm not a member of the Republican Party and haven't been since 1990 so they're free to continue falling down the blackhole they have been since the 2006 elections.

Again, just my .02

28 posted on 02/21/2009 7:32:39 AM PST by usconservative (The Obama Presidency is historic alright. Historic in it's abysmal failure in less than 30 days!!!)
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To: usconservative
I don't get to listen to Sean Hannity much, so I didn't get to hear that, but my over-riding point is simply this: Link Obama to Jimmy Carter.

"The worst economy since Jimmy Carter" is one of Hannity's favorite and most repeated talking points.

HANNITY: We've had tough economic times. Barack Obama has been saying this is the worst economy since the Great Depression. I would argue it's probably the worst economy since Jimmy Carter, because Ronald Reagan inherited a loss of, what, 10 million jobs. Inflation was 12.4 percent. Interest rates in America, if you can believe it, 21.5 percent.

29 posted on 02/21/2009 7:44:19 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We need to send the optimistic message that our conservative fiscal principles *will* stimulate the economy *after* obama’s depressing Marxist economic superstitions send it tanking worse than it is now.


30 posted on 02/21/2009 9:28:49 AM PST by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: paulycy
"The worst economy since Jimmy Carter" is one of Hannity's favorite and most repeated talking points.

Damn, I really didn't know. In any case, I'm glad a Conservative with a mic and a big audience is getting that message out. (And I'm sincerely glad it isn't just me that thinks Obama = Carter.)

31 posted on 02/21/2009 12:51:44 PM PST by usconservative (The Obama Presidency is historic alright. Historic in it's abysmal failure in less than 30 days!!!)
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