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Freep a Poll!(Should a Soldier serve if he doesn’t think the President is legitimate?)
Military.com ^ | 2-25-09 | military.com

Posted on 02/25/2009 2:42:45 PM PST by dynachrome

Should a Soldier serve if he doesn't believe the president is legitimate?

Yes, a Soldier takes an oath to serve the nation and President Obama was duly elected. 1st Lt. Easterling is just trying to get publicity and he should be court martialed.

If a Soldier in good conscience does not believe the president is constitutionally eligible to serve, he should not execute his duties and is right to protest the president's orders.

Easterling should continue to honor the dignity of his men by executing his orders as given. He should pursue other avenues to challenge the legitimacy of the president

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Hmmmm. I don't have an answer for this one, but obamalamadingdong could solve this real fast.

(Poll link halfway down story)

1 posted on 02/25/2009 2:42:45 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
Interesting poll. Link is halfway down the story.

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2 posted on 02/25/2009 2:44:15 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: dynachrome

Let’s hope that this sentiment spreads in our military like wildfire.


3 posted on 02/25/2009 2:45:23 PM PST by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: dynachrome

I hope this young man does not die in 0bama’s illegal war.


4 posted on 02/25/2009 2:45:47 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: dynachrome

He should have written his Congressman for Sure . . .but when American Citizens do not have standing in the SCOTUS . . .someone has to step forward who DOES have STANDING !
There is an old Navy law that protects military from court marshall on this protest.


5 posted on 02/25/2009 2:46:40 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: dynachrome

I think that each soldier would have to let his own conscience be his guide on this one...


6 posted on 02/25/2009 2:46:45 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: dynachrome

It’s a tough question and there is something missing.

Seems to me that a president has a greater duty to prove himself to the men who serve under him.


7 posted on 02/25/2009 2:47:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: dynachrome
Easterling is just trying to get publicity and he should be court martialed.

Oh Yes! And during the course of the Court Martial Zero would finally be compelled to produce a legitimate BC!

8 posted on 02/25/2009 2:48:16 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: dynachrome
The question is worded wrong. It should read:

Should a soldier if the person occupying the White House cannot or will not produce a birth certificate proving he is an American citizen?
9 posted on 02/25/2009 2:48:27 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: datura

10 posted on 02/25/2009 2:48:34 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: dynachrome

THE SOLDIER SERVES THE REPUBLIC. NOT THE STINKING PRESIDENT.


11 posted on 02/25/2009 2:49:08 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama's initials stands for: One Big A$$ Mistake Amerika!!)
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To: dynachrome

Correction:
Should a soldier serve if the person occupying the White House cannot or will not produce a birth certificate proving he is an American citizen?


12 posted on 02/25/2009 2:49:28 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: RetiredArmy

And their oath is to the Constitution.


13 posted on 02/25/2009 2:50:18 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: dynachrome
10-4. We swear to defend the Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, both foreign and DOMESTIC!!!
14 posted on 02/25/2009 2:51:18 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama's initials stands for: One Big A$$ Mistake Amerika!!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

“Zero would finally be compelled to”

Interesting take on that. Hope it does not get that far.

Zero needs to put up or step down and move to Kenya.


15 posted on 02/25/2009 2:51:50 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: dynachrome

Exactly. I served the nation, not one man. NO COMMANDER had absolute authority, the Constitution did.


16 posted on 02/25/2009 2:52:20 PM PST by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: dynachrome

Can’t find a poll.


17 posted on 02/25/2009 2:53:07 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: dynachrome

Poll FReeped


18 posted on 02/25/2009 2:54:00 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Halfway doen in the story in blue letters:

“Poll: Should a Soldier serve if he doesn’t think the president is legitimate?”


19 posted on 02/25/2009 2:54:56 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: cripplecreek

He should OlBS to kiss off. Obama is no more qualified to be presiden than Yogi Bear. Until he proves his citizinship he is just another big mouth Ya Hoo. The only problem is he belives the B/S he is spewing. Yes we can, pitch him out.Also that Ground Pounder didn’t swear to uphold old B/S he swore to obey the president, so far that temporary resident of the white house is just B/S


20 posted on 02/25/2009 2:54:56 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: dynachrome
Many of the same people who elected Obama in 2008 spent the 'sixties & early 'seventies trying to convince me not to follow orders. They seem to be running the country today.
If I'd still been in, I would have refused Kosovo/FRY and taken the consequences.
Since SCOTUS has determined that no one else in the USA has standing to question our supremely secretive first bozo, maybe they'll have to admit that national defense gives it a bit more weight..?

I'm fine with turn about in this instance and I hope the Lt. isn't simply steamrolled.

21 posted on 02/25/2009 2:55:02 PM PST by norton
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To: dynachrome

Yes, the oath is to protect and defend the Constitiution, not the Present of the US.


22 posted on 02/25/2009 2:56:52 PM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: norton

I’m mostly bothered by the total absence of any concern for the duty of a president to the soldiers he commands.


23 posted on 02/25/2009 2:58:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: RetiredArmy
The soldier should serve with the same rules as does the President. Would the Army, OSI, or CID, accept Obama’s birth records?
24 posted on 02/25/2009 3:00:26 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: cripplecreek

I think he was hinting about a draft, don’t you?


25 posted on 02/25/2009 3:06:28 PM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: dynachrome

You’d have to be willing to stand a courtmartial & (probably) be convicted.


26 posted on 02/25/2009 3:07:06 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: dynachrome

Yes, a Soldier takes an oath to serve the nation and President Obama was duly elected. 1st Lt. Easterling is just trying to get publicity and he should be court martialed.
32%

If a Soldier in good conscience does not believe the president is constitutionally eligible to serve, he should not execute his duties and is right to protest the president’s orders.
22%

Easterling should continue to honor the dignity of his men by executing his orders as given. He should pursue other avenues to challenge the legitimacy of the president.
46%


27 posted on 02/25/2009 3:14:25 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: dynachrome

Should a Soldier serve if he doesn’t believe the president is legitimate?
Yes, a Soldier takes an oath to serve the nation and President Obama was duly elected.

Well hold up a minute......
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

The FIRST thing that the soldier is swearing to is to support and defend the United States Constitution. At this point NO ONE knows the truth of Barack Obams birth status as it relates to the US Constitution. So things are not a clearcut or black and white as they should be....


28 posted on 02/25/2009 3:15:24 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: RetiredArmy; 2ndDivisionVet; Free ThinkerNY; dynachrome; SouthTexas; Texas Fossil; flat; ...

Go out to Arlington Cemetery and one will hear American patriots rolling in their graves at the national disgrace that is the White House and the US Congress today. Liberal’s thumbing their noses at their sacrifice all the while destroying this nation.


29 posted on 02/25/2009 3:19:23 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“things are not a clearcut”

True, and o-bozo could correct it in 30 seconds. Why won’t he?


30 posted on 02/25/2009 3:21:42 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: dynachrome

What an amazing push poll.


31 posted on 02/25/2009 3:22:34 PM PST by Krodg
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To: freema

Sound the ping and call to arms ma


32 posted on 02/25/2009 3:28:11 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...
As noted upthread, the first part of the oath is to support and defend the Constitution. Perhaps our military should provide an armed escort for Obama to get a certified copy of his original birth certificate. Why are he and 'chelle sucking up to the military so hard? [And yes, that was quite the play on words, wasn't it ! ]

I especially liked Attorney Mathew B. Tully's [of the Washington, D.C.-based firm Tully Rinckey PLLC] comment at the end: ""And on TV last night I saw the chief of staff of the Army salute President Obama, so there are a lot of people who believe he is the president," Tully said.

Yet one can't help, with all the innuendo of threats Tully throws around in this article, but wonder whether Tully is part of BO's certifigate legal team.

1st Lt. Scott R. Easterling apparently didn't get the message:


33 posted on 02/25/2009 4:40:35 PM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: RetiredArmy

Exactly, and God knows there is a target-rich environment of domestic enemies of the Constitution.


34 posted on 02/25/2009 4:47:45 PM PST by clintonh8r (Librerals are more dangerous to liberty than terrorists.)
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To: 3D-JOY; airborne; ALlRightAllTheTime; AnAmericanMother; AprilfromTexas; armymarinemom; BillF; ...

Ping!


35 posted on 02/25/2009 5:13:12 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen ARE not political. We serve the Republic. We serve and defend the Constitution and the United States, regardless of who or what sits in the Oval Office.


36 posted on 02/25/2009 5:41:04 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama's initials stands for: One Big A$$ Mistake Amerika!!)
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To: Albion Wilde

I served under Nixon and Carter...

I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to obey those in command over me all the wayh to the top ...the Commander-in-Chief...

Both Nixon and cater were born in the United States to US citizen parents...

They were Americans, over the age of 35 and I guess they fulfilled the 14 year residency thingy...

I didnt vote for either...

I was not yet an American citizen when Nixon ran for re election...

And I refused to vote for Democrat Jimmy Carter when I was...

I was never faced with this unthinkable travesty...

Who woulda thunk ????


37 posted on 02/25/2009 5:46:42 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Done.


38 posted on 02/25/2009 5:58:44 PM PST by SouthTexas (Can I have my house back that I lost in the 80s????)
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To: Albion Wilde
Thanks for the ping Albion. First, I have not read the comments on the thread so may be repeating.

The soldiers take an oath to the nation. If we all recall, just awhile back there was talk that Obama was going to change that and have the Military pledge its oath to the President!!

Haven't heard more on that.

39 posted on 02/25/2009 6:18:46 PM PST by potlatch
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To: freema

done.


40 posted on 02/25/2009 6:19:55 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to obey those in command over me all the wayh to the top ...the Commander-in-Chief... I was never faced with this unthinkable travesty... Who woulda thunk ????

God bless you and thank you for your service, TN! No, this situation is unbelievable.

41 posted on 02/25/2009 6:20:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: potlatch
..just awhile back there was talk that Obama was going to change that and have the Military pledge its oath to the President!! Haven't heard more on that.

OMG.

42 posted on 02/25/2009 6:21:38 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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To: dynachrome
Done.

5.56mm

43 posted on 02/25/2009 6:22:17 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: potlatch; Albion Wilde

Hey potlatch!

I looked into that a bit...found this:

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-hitler-oath/

which linked to this:

http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/01/military-to-pledge-oath-to-obama-not.html

Interestingly, the infowars page also says BO’s 2nd oath was taken ‘sans Bible’.

Don’t know what to make of any of it, but thought it was worth investigating.


44 posted on 02/25/2009 7:42:11 PM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: freema
[ “A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President, and no longer to the Constitution,” Chang writes.]

So, the second link infers that it is a ‘satire piece’. I don't recall where I read it now but knowing what we know about Obama it would not surprise me to learn it's true.

I also remember reading long ago that Obama wanted a ‘second’ group of some sort - equal to the Military and that sounded frightening.

I did know he didn't use a Bible when taking the second oath. If that was a ‘set up’ Justice Roberts would have to have been involved in the deceit.

It's like “Alice In Wonderland” keeping track of what Obama does. Thanks for your research Freema.

45 posted on 02/25/2009 7:55:45 PM PST by potlatch
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To: dynachrome

The truth won’t be verified until he is out of office, but then it will be the talk in all the soup kitchen and welfare lines.


46 posted on 02/25/2009 8:58:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: Albion Wilde; ExTexasRedhead

Thanks

I enjoyed reading the thread so far.

Yes, I know one Arlington resident who would be very upset by this development. I often think he would be so very upset by recent events in this country.


47 posted on 02/25/2009 9:19:33 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: 4Speed

When a service person writes his congressman or woman..their files are flagged and the Headquartes will know they did this..it can be career ending.


48 posted on 02/25/2009 11:04:03 PM PST by celtic gal (I think the democRATs should change their logo from a jackass to a RAT with a long tail.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Yep..the oath we take is to support and defend the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.....
In Germany eventually all the people were required to swear and oath of allegiance to Hitler...the day we have to swear an oath to the President is the day the military personnel should stand fast and refuse that unlawful order.
49 posted on 02/25/2009 11:07:38 PM PST by celtic gal (I think the democRATs should change their logo from a jackass to a RAT with a long tail.)
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To: potlatch

It was reproted that the plan for all military to take an oaf o 0bama was a hoax. That said, with the shadow govt he is trying to build with all his czars and taking things directly to the WH, don’t be surprised if this were to come to pass.


50 posted on 02/25/2009 11:13:51 PM PST by celtic gal (I think the democRATs should change their logo from a jackass to a RAT with a long tail.)
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