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Posted on 02/25/2009 8:45:42 PM PST by txroadkill
Need Freeper Help. I have a 3 yr old cocker spaniel that has really bad ear infections. I knew it would probably be an issue when I got him but for the first 2 years he never had any problems. Now, however, he has had re-occurring infections and now the vet says that his ear canals have calcified to the point that they need to be scraped out, a procedure that will leave him deaf. Does anybody know of a better solution?
Possibly H202, dog will probably hate you for it, and if you want to understand why pour a little into your ear.
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We use an old family recipe on our ears. You may want to try it on the dog.
Mix half and half peroxide and sweet oil or olive oil.
Insert 6-8 drops in the ear and massage the ear to work it in.
This has cured our kids ear infections for years and years. It should help, I don’t think it would hurt a dog especially if we use it in infants ears.
Mix half and half peroxide and sweet oil or olive oil.
Get another opinion, We have a 4 year old Pomeranian/Maltese mix and he has had pain in his ears before, they gave him drops. Never heard of scraping, I’d get another opinion before doing anything drastic. That procedure sounds like too much work for something minor as an ear infection
Tea tree oil might be helpful, but be very cautious and research it’s use thoroughly beforehand. Quite the effective, natural antibiotic and antifungal, but topical only. Dilute it in warm water for an earwash. Can be fatal if ingested, especially at full strength. It’s derived from melaleuca. Another potential drawback would be strong odor.
My wife (a former vet tech) is telling me you should definitely seek a second opinion. Also see if the ears can be cleaned often enough to prevent the necessity of scraping.Basically make scraping the very last resort.
Ol’ Yallar was a Ridgeback we rescued from...long terrible story of abuse, so won’t go there. Had ear problems as you describe. The Vet told us about the scraping, but insisted it was a last resort option. He gave us a bottle of VET Solutions Ear Cleansing Solution for dogs and cats. Put a few drops per ear, and stand back as the dog shakes its head and the stuff flies allover. Do it outside LOL. (actually no LOL, I’m serious, do it outside.) It worked for the old dog whom has in years since departed this World. Miss him terribly.
We’ve had over 30 dogs the 31 years we’ve been married, but only one was a Cocker. We heard they were susceptible to ear infections, but we lucked out with our guy. Another rescue as was Ol’ Yallar, but actually all of them were either rescue, or they just found a pair of suckers in us.
So my recommendation is to get the dog to another VET for a second opinion, and tell the Vet it’s a second opinion, and you really want to try an alternative first if he tells you the same thing as the first Vet. Better to try than to commit the dog to deafness for the rest of his life IMO, but do what ya gotta do.
I would always suspect yeast if the dog has been on any antibiotics prior to having this disorder.
Ask the vet if it’s safe to clean a dog’s ears out with hydrogen peroxide. I know it’s safe for humans and it works well on cerumen. Not sure if it’ll dissolve calcifications, though.
Are they outer ear or middle ear infections? Is your vet treating it with ear drops or oral meds?
Many times a chronic infection that won’t clear up with antibiotics is actually a fungal infection. Antibiotics may appear to help because there are opportunistic bacteria who will join the assult.
A culture would tell the tail, but a trial with antifungals/antibacterials would work as a cheaper test.
Your dog may also have resistant bacteria that won’t respond to typical medications. Again, you may get a bit of an improvement, but the infection won’t go away.
Peroxide (50/50 with warm water) helps, too. Twice a day for a week.
No matter what, I’d get a second opinion.
www.onlynaturalpets.com (also call them for advice)
(I spent $3K on vet visits to no avail when my cat fell ill with a bad crystal problem. The vets said surgery was the last option. I researched natural remedies after exhausting all traditional therapies. These two sites provided a gold mine of information. Today my cat is totally healthy and has not needed surgery or another vet visit after using the “natural” treatments recommended at these sites.)
I concur, this is a great site and the information has been very helpful for me and my pets.
I would definitely get a second opinion. If it’s bad enough to require veterinary help, then follow their instructions.
Here are general techniques for cleaning a dog’s ears which I have used after extensive research. Remember that every case is different and follow your vet’s instructions over anyone else’s. This is not a good system for dogs with open sores in their ears:
Buy a couple condiment bottles with narrow spouts. In one bottle, mix hydrogen peroxide (the weak stuff from the pharmacy) and alcohol 50/50. In the other, vinegar and alcohol 50/50.
In the bath tub where you can rinse any overflow off the dog when you’re finished, point the tip of the peroxide/alchohol spout towards the dog’s ear canal. A dog’s ear turns downward, so you need to make sure you’re pointing the liquid in the right spot. BE CAREFUL NOT TO CRAM IT IN!!!!! You don’t want to injure the dog. Fill the ear to overflowing. Don’t let the dog shake it out unless it’s in real distress. You want to fill both ears up and massage the ear canals the best you can from the outside for a count of 60. Let the dog shake it out. Then repeat with the vinegar/alcohol, really flushing out the ear canal. No massage is necessary with the vinegar.
The peroxide cleans out the crud and disinfects the ear. The vinegar rinses the crud out, disinfects the ear, and resets the pH to fungus unfriendly levels. The alcohol disperses the water in the other chemicals from the ears and disinfects.
You should check before the ear washing to see if the dog has a fungal infection. You can tell by the smell. Healthy dog ears don’t smell bad at all. If the ears are infected, then after your dog’s ears have dried out, put in a few drops of antifungal medicine from your vet and massage the ears for a count of 60. If you have no medicine from the vet, you can use athletes foot cream, vagisil, or other antifungals.
I would advise against tea tree oil. It’s very powerful, absorbs immediately into the skin, and could harm your dog.
there’s an old fashioned remedy for built up ear wax and ear infections... try using an ear candle. A lot of health food co-ops stock them, try a natural food store. No pain at all involved. It’s basically a hollow wax/paper tube which you light at one end.
I did this before my dog had TPLO surgery....
Good luck with your pooch and that type of surgery sounds like it should be the very last resort.....I like the idea of H2O@ and sweet oil......you might want to ask the breeder of your pup......
My poodle used to get ear fungus infections after I bathed her.
I’d treat her with a micazole lotion the vet supplied. It took about a week-10 days to clear it up . But it leaves a white gooey residue that I wanted to wash off, starting the infection process all over again.
Now I squirt Otirinse (from vet) in her ears twice a day for 2-3 days after her bath and it dries them up. Prevents the fungus and softens the wax.
Also pluck her ears.
(they need to invent Nair for ears :)
Good advice on the thread. One thing I would add. If this is an ongoing problem, have the dog’s thyroid checked. Also, consider food allergies. Either of those two things can cause recurrent ear infections that are difficult to clear up.
I would definitely get a second opinion. After reading the links about calcification it does sound more serious. I hope his hearing can be saved!
I’ve been seeing every one’s suggestions for ear washes.
My 2cents worth..When you make your dilution use warm water.
Cold water hurts and may be part of the problem with dogs objecting so much.
The other thing is 1/2 strength will go flat pretty quickly so don’t mix it up in advance.
If your dog is a chow hound, then a 2 person operation may be in order to ease the proceedure by distraction. Have them hold a treat in a tight pinch and let the dog nibble while you are doing the ear wash.
Just might distract her/him enough for you to do it without too much objection and it associates a juicy treat with letting you work on her ears.
My guy fits perfectly with my family, he has the same personality as we do, he enforces the pecking order (he assumed a higher rank than my children and they seem to be OK with it), and is extremely smart. He learns commands with little effort and understood house training on day one when we got him. I can count on one hand the number of accidents he had when training him and all of them were our fault for not letting him out.
I have never heard that deaf cockers get mean!!!! I have a blind one and she certainly can take up for hereself with our other one, but she is not mean.
I recommend a new vet.
BTW...the format on my former post was messed up. I do use Power Ear, but the rest of the post I got from Google. Power Ear does work for us though.
Also get some sort of ear wash/ear drops.
The ear infections/fungus are very common in the dog breeds with long floppy ears. I keep an eye on my girls for the musky odor that signals fungus . . . and my vet gave me something called Zymox. It's sort of a cluster-bomb ear treatment - cortisone, anti-fungals, a mild antibiotic, and enzymes. It comes in drops, spray, and wipes.
I've found that combining the Zymox with a hypoallergenic food with skin conditioners keeps the problem at bay.
And I would DEFINITELY get a second opinion. Call your local vet school and ask the dean about his top honor graduates who are practicing in your area. Or go hang out at a dog show and ask the pros who they use.
I have 3 cockers and have had ear problems.
PLEASE ask a vet before using hydrogen peroxide. In humans, HP causes very serious problems if you have an infection coming on (learned this the hard way)
If deafness is inevitable, then it would be better than the pain your dog is feeling now.
I currently have three cockers, have had cockers since 1979. Cockers do NOT do well on anything that contains grains, and my three do not do well with anything chicken, either... As long as I don’t feed grains or chicken their ears are fine... but if you do have ear problems follow the recipe on the Zim Family Cocker site — it works GREAT! There is some very good foods that don’t contain grains you can get for your dog... I feed a raw diet with a grain-free kibble for their breakfast.
No, never use hydrogen peroxide in their ears.
Most cocker ear infections are yeast. Which is why I never feed grains to my cockers. Grains turn to sugar in their systems and yeast loves sugar.
I would never use Tea Tree Oil on my dogs and people should know it can kill cats.
I used to use blue power all the time, but lately have had much better results from the Zim Family recipe that contains Betadine.
It's the stuff that keeps their gut healthy with good flora/bacteria. If the dog has been given antibiotics or steroids....they usually suffer from an overgrowth of yeast....which results in stinky ears and gas.
I use Dinovite which is a supplement you can order on the net without a prescription. It's in powder form and I mix it with a small amount of wet canned food. You give it every day. I also add fish oil capsules on top.
I have two dogs (mutts) who had severe flea allergies and the waxy ears. Their fur fell out and they chewed themselves.....no matter what flea product I used. The vet wanted to start them on prednisone....but I've had such bad results from that in the past with other dogs... I decided to do a little research on more natural products. It took about 3 weeks of a daily regime before I began seeing real results. Their hair came back and they stopped the chewing......plus, the ear problems disappeared. It's worth a shot!
I use it, diluted, on my daughter's pug, about once a week.
If you want to be extra safe, just use vinegar/water solution. I use the vinegar solution twice a week.
I also use vinegar and water in a spray bottle as a leave-in rinse before towel drying (twice a week bath). Vinegar is a wonderful chemical. It disinfects, it resets the pH, and it is an astringent which helps dry her out, which discourages fungal growth.
That dog has gone from being a smelly, oozy, nasty little beast who would scratch herself to bleeding to being a luxuriously fluffy, clean dog in two months of Jeff Chandler dog therapy. People actually like to pet her now, her ears are clean and no longer stink, and she hardly itches at all.
Yeah, it sounds good, but why take the chance?
Oh, and daily fish oil pills have helped eliminate the allergy inflammations, too. Omega 3, you know.
I do let him get a fuzzy face and ears because it makes him look cute.
I ran across that recipe many times in my research and all the feedback was very positive. I was going to try it next if the peroxide and vinegar solutions didn't work, but they did.
Lady -- our B&W was a show dog until we got her.. .she had the full show coat and it was AUGUST!!!! she had lived up in the mountains...poor thing, first thing we did was give her a hair cut. What we do is leave their legs about two or three inches long, their ears long and the top knot and shave everything else. In the summer when we are boating every week we shorten their legs to about an inch and half long.
She's out hug bug... well all three are, but she is a velcro dog with my husband. She is also out tomboy cocker.. loves the water... you can see, Daisy (our ASCOB) is not fond of water, she is a princess and doesn't like to be dirty... Lady OTOH ~LOL~
Missy is a hunter, she will look for lizards all day long.
Fish oil capsules are excellent!
We have a mobile groomer who comes here once a month and grooms my three, but when we did it I always rinsed them with apple cider vinegar. Our’s seldom get the ear problems, but in the summer when they are in the water a lot we use the Vinegar recipe on the Zim Cocker site once a week after we come off the lake. It has vinegar, alcohol, boric acid and betadine in it.
We are sooooooooo lucky we don’t have fleas out here! but years ago when we lived down in Irvine and our dog played in the park we had real issues with them, including our cat. I found brewers yeast and garlic really helped — didn’t know back then cats were not supposed to have garlic — we also fed her ground up organ meats and heart.. the fleas left her alone after than and she had the most gorgeous black coat...