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Posted on 02/25/2009 8:45:42 PM PST by txroadkill

Need Freeper Help. I have a 3 yr old cocker spaniel that has really bad ear infections. I knew it would probably be an issue when I got him but for the first 2 years he never had any problems. Now, however, he has had re-occurring infections and now the vet says that his ear canals have calcified to the point that they need to be “scraped out”, a procedure that will leave him deaf. Does anybody know of a better solution?


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1 posted on 02/25/2009 8:45:42 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: txroadkill

Second opinion?


2 posted on 02/25/2009 8:47:48 PM PST by Blogger (Christians- Remember Nineveh.)
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To: txroadkill

http://www.caminoanimalclinic.com/library/ear_infections.html


3 posted on 02/25/2009 8:49:31 PM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: txroadkill

Second opinion

Possibly H202, dog will probably hate you for it, and if you want to understand why pour a little into your ear.


4 posted on 02/25/2009 8:50:00 PM PST by Brellium ("Thou shalt not shilly shally!" Aron Nimzowitsch)
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To: txroadkill

Many more results here:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ear+canals++calcified&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2


5 posted on 02/25/2009 8:51:49 PM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: txroadkill

Hydrogen peroxide?


6 posted on 02/25/2009 8:52:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." Barry Goldwater)
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To: txroadkill

We use an old family recipe on our ears. You may want to try it on the dog.
Mix half and half peroxide and sweet oil or olive oil.
Insert 6-8 drops in the ear and massage the ear to work it in.

This has cured our kids ear infections for years and years. It should help, I don’t think it would hurt a dog especially if we use it in infants ears.


7 posted on 02/25/2009 8:52:29 PM PST by The Mayor ( In Gods works we see His hand; in His Word we hear His heart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mix half and half peroxide and sweet oil or olive oil.


8 posted on 02/25/2009 8:55:12 PM PST by The Mayor ( In Gods works we see His hand; in His Word we hear His heart)
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To: txroadkill

Get another opinion, We have a 4 year old Pomeranian/Maltese mix and he has had pain in his ears before, they gave him drops. Never heard of scraping, I’d get another opinion before doing anything drastic. That procedure sounds like too much work for something minor as an ear infection


9 posted on 02/25/2009 8:56:54 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: txroadkill

Tea tree oil might be helpful, but be very cautious and research it’s use thoroughly beforehand. Quite the effective, natural antibiotic and antifungal, but topical only. Dilute it in warm water for an earwash. Can be fatal if ingested, especially at full strength. It’s derived from melaleuca. Another potential drawback would be strong odor.


10 posted on 02/25/2009 9:01:20 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: txroadkill

My wife (a former vet tech) is telling me you should definitely seek a second opinion. Also see if the ears can be cleaned often enough to prevent the necessity of scraping.Basically make scraping the very last resort.


11 posted on 02/25/2009 9:09:45 PM PST by Don214
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To: txroadkill

http://www.thepetcenter.com/gen/eartrouble.html

http://www.dermapet.com/articles/art_ther_ear.html

http://www.acvs.org/AnimalOwners/HealthConditions/SmallAnimalTopics/OtitisExterna/


12 posted on 02/25/2009 9:13:20 PM PST by Netizen
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To: txroadkill

Ol’ Yallar was a Ridgeback we rescued from...long terrible story of abuse, so won’t go there. Had ear problems as you describe. The Vet told us about the scraping, but insisted it was a last resort option. He gave us a bottle of VET Solutions Ear Cleansing Solution for dogs and cats. Put a few drops per ear, and stand back as the dog shakes its head and the stuff flies allover. Do it outside LOL. (actually no LOL, I’m serious, do it outside.) It worked for the old dog whom has in years since departed this World. Miss him terribly.

We’ve had over 30 dogs the 31 years we’ve been married, but only one was a Cocker. We heard they were susceptible to ear infections, but we lucked out with our guy. Another rescue as was Ol’ Yallar, but actually all of them were either rescue, or they just found a pair of suckers in us.

So my recommendation is to get the dog to another VET for a second opinion, and tell the Vet it’s a second opinion, and you really want to try an alternative first if he tells you the same thing as the first Vet. Better to try than to commit the dog to deafness for the rest of his life IMO, but do what ya gotta do.


13 posted on 02/25/2009 9:17:43 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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To: txroadkill
I had a cocker with bad "ear infections"... which turned out to be an overgrowth of yeast. She had dark, thick waxy exudate which smelled bad. I put her on probiotics while cleaning her ears with the olive oil daily. Before long, it cleared up.

I would always suspect yeast if the dog has been on any antibiotics prior to having this disorder.

14 posted on 02/25/2009 9:19:48 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: txroadkill

Ask the vet if it’s safe to clean a dog’s ears out with hydrogen peroxide. I know it’s safe for humans and it works well on cerumen. Not sure if it’ll dissolve calcifications, though.


15 posted on 02/25/2009 9:28:17 PM PST by JMS64
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To: txroadkill

Are they outer ear or middle ear infections? Is your vet treating it with ear drops or oral meds?

Many times a chronic infection that won’t clear up with antibiotics is actually a fungal infection. Antibiotics may appear to help because there are opportunistic bacteria who will join the assult.

A culture would tell the tail, but a trial with antifungals/antibacterials would work as a cheaper test.

Your dog may also have resistant bacteria that won’t respond to typical medications. Again, you may get a bit of an improvement, but the infection won’t go away.

Peroxide (50/50 with warm water) helps, too. Twice a day for a week.

No matter what, I’d get a second opinion.


16 posted on 02/25/2009 10:18:55 PM PST by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: txroadkill
Here are good sources for natural remedies.

http://earthclinic.com/Pets/ear_infection.html
www.onlynaturalpets.com (also call them for advice)

(I spent $3K on vet visits to no avail when my cat fell ill with a bad crystal problem. The vets said surgery was the last option. I researched natural remedies after exhausting all traditional therapies. These two sites provided a gold mine of information. Today my cat is totally healthy and has not needed surgery or another vet visit after using the “natural” treatments recommended at these sites.)

17 posted on 02/25/2009 10:29:31 PM PST by kara2008
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To: kara2008

I concur, this is a great site and the information has been very helpful for me and my pets.


18 posted on 02/25/2009 11:28:08 PM PST by RepublicanChick
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To: txroadkill

I would definitely get a second opinion. If it’s bad enough to require veterinary help, then follow their instructions.

Here are general techniques for cleaning a dog’s ears which I have used after extensive research. Remember that every case is different and follow your vet’s instructions over anyone else’s. This is not a good system for dogs with open sores in their ears:

Buy a couple condiment bottles with narrow spouts. In one bottle, mix hydrogen peroxide (the weak stuff from the pharmacy) and alcohol 50/50. In the other, vinegar and alcohol 50/50.

In the bath tub where you can rinse any overflow off the dog when you’re finished, point the tip of the peroxide/alchohol spout towards the dog’s ear canal. A dog’s ear turns downward, so you need to make sure you’re pointing the liquid in the right spot. BE CAREFUL NOT TO CRAM IT IN!!!!! You don’t want to injure the dog. Fill the ear to overflowing. Don’t let the dog shake it out unless it’s in real distress. You want to fill both ears up and massage the ear canals the best you can from the outside for a count of 60. Let the dog shake it out. Then repeat with the vinegar/alcohol, really flushing out the ear canal. No massage is necessary with the vinegar.

The peroxide cleans out the crud and disinfects the ear. The vinegar rinses the crud out, disinfects the ear, and resets the pH to fungus unfriendly levels. The alcohol disperses the water in the other chemicals from the ears and disinfects.

You should check before the ear washing to see if the dog has a fungal infection. You can tell by the smell. Healthy dog ears don’t smell bad at all. If the ears are infected, then after your dog’s ears have dried out, put in a few drops of antifungal medicine from your vet and massage the ears for a count of 60. If you have no medicine from the vet, you can use athletes foot cream, vagisil, or other antifungals.

I would advise against tea tree oil. It’s very powerful, absorbs immediately into the skin, and could harm your dog.


19 posted on 02/26/2009 12:29:46 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: LaineyDee
I have a black lab with black wax in her ears. Sometimes I use a flashlight and q tip to clean them out, but sometimes there is a big hunk that she shakes out...vet looks at them and said it was fine. I assumed it was because she is a water dog that she has thick secretions. No pain involved and no tenderness in her ears...What is probiotics? Can you get it without a prescription from the vet. I would try it on her....my dog groomer put some oil in her ears once and she shook her head for a week because of the oil..(any suggestions would be appreciated.)GG
20 posted on 02/26/2009 1:45:46 AM PST by goat granny
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To: txroadkill

there’s an old fashioned remedy for built up ear wax and ear infections... try using an ear candle. A lot of health food co-ops stock them, try a natural food store. No pain at all involved. It’s basically a hollow wax/paper tube which you light at one end.


21 posted on 02/26/2009 5:56:56 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: txroadkill; AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; apackof2; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; ...
Advice needed doggie ping!!


22 posted on 02/26/2009 11:07:41 AM PST by Peace4EarthNow (Come to know Jesus as your Savior, so YOU TOO can be saved!! - http://www.allaboutgod.com)
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To: txroadkill
Vet Solutions Ear Cleansing Solution
23 posted on 02/26/2009 11:22:28 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: Peace4EarthNow
You were smart to ask FReeper help.

I did this before my dog had TPLO surgery....

Good luck with your pooch and that type of surgery sounds like it should be the very last resort.....I like the idea of H2O@ and sweet oil......you might want to ask the breeder of your pup......

24 posted on 02/26/2009 11:33:23 AM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: txroadkill

My poodle used to get ear fungus infections after I bathed her.
The moisture.
I’d treat her with a micazole lotion the vet supplied. It took about a week-10 days to clear it up . But it leaves a white gooey residue that I wanted to wash off, starting the infection process all over again.
Now I squirt Otirinse (from vet) in her ears twice a day for 2-3 days after her bath and it dries them up. Prevents the fungus and softens the wax.
Also pluck her ears.
(they need to invent Nair for ears :)


25 posted on 02/26/2009 11:51:46 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: txroadkill

Good advice on the thread. One thing I would add. If this is an ongoing problem, have the dog’s thyroid checked. Also, consider food allergies. Either of those two things can cause recurrent ear infections that are difficult to clear up.


26 posted on 02/26/2009 1:12:51 PM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: txroadkill; Peace4EarthNow

I would definitely get a second opinion. After reading the links about calcification it does sound more serious. I hope his hearing can be saved!


27 posted on 02/26/2009 1:14:01 PM PST by potlatch
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To: txroadkill
Google “Blue Power Ear Treatment” I do Cocker rescue and this is what I use. INGREDIENTS: 16 oz. Isopropyl Alcohol 4 Tablespoons Boric Acid Powder 16 drops Gentian Violet Solution 1% Mix together in alcohol bottle and shake well. You will also need to shake solution every time you use it to disperse the Boric Acid Powder. TREATMENT: Evaluate condition of ears before treating and if very inflamed and sore do not attempt to pull hair or clean out ear at all. Wait until inflammation has subsided which will be about 2 days. Shake the bottle each time before using. Flood the ear with solution (gently squirt bottle), massage gently to the count of 60, wipe with a tissue, and leave alone without massage. The dog will shake out the excess, which can be wiped with a tissue; the Gentian Violet does stain fabrics. The SCHEDULE of treatment is as follows: Treat 2 X per day for the first week to two weeks, depending upon severity of ears. Treat 1 X per day for the next 1 to 2 weeks. Treat 1 X per month (or even less frequently) depending on the dog. All of these ingredients should be available at a pharmacy. We have found that, despite the alcohol, the dog will not object to even the first treatment. The Boric Acid Powder soothes the ear. The Gentian Violet Solution is an anti-infection agent. The solution appears to work well on any and all ear problems from mites to wax to canker. After the 2nd or 3rd day, you can clean out the ear with a Q-tip or cotton ball. The success rate for this treatment is 95% to 99%. Those who do not succeed have usually not done the treatment long enough or have not been regular about it. Dogs on the verge of ear canal surgery have been returned to normal with only the regular follow-up treatment to keep the ear healthy. If an infection seems to be remaining in the treated ear after the above course of treatment, you may also have some Pseudomonas bacteria in the site. This can be eradicated by using a gentle flush of raw apple cider vinegar and water (warm). Use 2 Tablespoons of vinegar to one cup of water, 2 X per week. Remember it is for external use only and be careful not to get into the eyes.
28 posted on 02/26/2009 1:30:35 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: txroadkill

I’ve been seeing every one’s suggestions for ear washes.

My 2cents worth..When you make your dilution use warm water.

Cold water hurts and may be part of the problem with dogs objecting so much.

The other thing is 1/2 strength will go flat pretty quickly so don’t mix it up in advance.

If your dog is a chow hound, then a 2 person operation may be in order to ease the proceedure by distraction. Have them hold a treat in a tight pinch and let the dog nibble while you are doing the ear wash.

Just might distract her/him enough for you to do it without too much objection and it associates a juicy treat with letting you work on her ears.


29 posted on 02/26/2009 1:44:32 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: kalee
Thanks, I'm ganna give that a shot. I think this is related to food allergies so I changed him to a fish diet. I'm also looking for a new vet because she was advising me that it was probably better to put him down because deaf cockers get mean.

My guy fits perfectly with my family, he has the same personality as we do, he enforces the pecking order (he assumed a higher rank than my children and they seem to be OK with it), and is extremely smart. He learns commands with little effort and understood house training on day one when we got him. I can count on one hand the number of accidents he had when training him and all of them were our fault for not letting him out.

30 posted on 02/26/2009 1:55:41 PM PST by txroadkill (God Help Us-The Rats are in charge!)
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To: txroadkill

I have never heard that deaf cockers get mean!!!! I have a blind one and she certainly can take up for hereself with our other one, but she is not mean.

I recommend a new vet.

BTW...the format on my former post was messed up. I do use Power Ear, but the rest of the post I got from Google. Power Ear does work for us though.


31 posted on 02/26/2009 4:15:01 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: txroadkill
There are a number of good foods on the market for skin allergies. Almost all dogs with ear issues have some sort of skin issue too - they go together.

Also get some sort of ear wash/ear drops.

The ear infections/fungus are very common in the dog breeds with long floppy ears. I keep an eye on my girls for the musky odor that signals fungus . . . and my vet gave me something called Zymox. It's sort of a cluster-bomb ear treatment - cortisone, anti-fungals, a mild antibiotic, and enzymes. It comes in drops, spray, and wipes.

I've found that combining the Zymox with a hypoallergenic food with skin conditioners keeps the problem at bay.

And I would DEFINITELY get a second opinion. Call your local vet school and ask the dean about his top honor graduates who are practicing in your area. Or go hang out at a dog show and ask the pros who they use.

32 posted on 02/26/2009 4:21:48 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: txroadkill

I have 3 cockers and have had ear problems.

PLEASE ask a vet before using hydrogen peroxide. In humans, HP causes very serious problems if you have an infection coming on (learned this the hard way)

If deafness is inevitable, then it would be better than the pain your dog is feeling now.


33 posted on 02/26/2009 8:06:43 PM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't 't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: txroadkill

I currently have three cockers, have had cockers since 1979. Cockers do NOT do well on anything that contains grains, and my three do not do well with anything chicken, either... As long as I don’t feed grains or chicken their ears are fine... but if you do have ear problems follow the recipe on the Zim Family Cocker site — it works GREAT! There is some very good foods that don’t contain grains you can get for your dog... I feed a raw diet with a grain-free kibble for their breakfast.


34 posted on 02/26/2009 8:14:09 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, never use hydrogen peroxide in their ears.


35 posted on 02/26/2009 8:14:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: LaineyDee

Most cocker ear infections are yeast. Which is why I never feed grains to my cockers. Grains turn to sugar in their systems and yeast loves sugar.


36 posted on 02/26/2009 8:16:01 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Jeff Chandler

I would never use Tea Tree Oil on my dogs and people should know it can kill cats.


37 posted on 02/26/2009 8:16:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Peace4EarthNow
Here is two of my girls

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38 posted on 02/26/2009 8:19:12 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: kalee

I used to use blue power all the time, but lately have had much better results from the Zim Family recipe that contains Betadine.


39 posted on 02/26/2009 8:20:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: goat granny
What is probiotics? Can you get it without a prescription from the vet.

It's the stuff that keeps their gut healthy with good flora/bacteria. If the dog has been given antibiotics or steroids....they usually suffer from an overgrowth of yeast....which results in stinky ears and gas.

I use Dinovite which is a supplement you can order on the net without a prescription. It's in powder form and I mix it with a small amount of wet canned food. You give it every day. I also add fish oil capsules on top.

I have two dogs (mutts) who had severe flea allergies and the waxy ears. Their fur fell out and they chewed themselves.....no matter what flea product I used. The vet wanted to start them on prednisone....but I've had such bad results from that in the past with other dogs... I decided to do a little research on more natural products. It took about 3 weeks of a daily regime before I began seeing real results. Their hair came back and they stopped the chewing......plus, the ear problems disappeared. It's worth a shot!

40 posted on 02/26/2009 8:28:00 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
never use hydrogen peroxide in their ears

I use it, diluted, on my daughter's pug, about once a week.

If you want to be extra safe, just use vinegar/water solution. I use the vinegar solution twice a week.

I also use vinegar and water in a spray bottle as a leave-in rinse before towel drying (twice a week bath). Vinegar is a wonderful chemical. It disinfects, it resets the pH, and it is an astringent which helps dry her out, which discourages fungal growth.

That dog has gone from being a smelly, oozy, nasty little beast who would scratch herself to bleeding to being a luxuriously fluffy, clean dog in two months of Jeff Chandler dog therapy. People actually like to pet her now, her ears are clean and no longer stink, and she hardly itches at all.

41 posted on 02/26/2009 8:45:09 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I would never use Tea Tree Oil on my dogs and people should know it can kill cats.

Yeah, it sounds good, but why take the chance?

42 posted on 02/26/2009 8:45:47 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Oh, and daily fish oil pills have helped eliminate the allergy inflammations, too. Omega 3, you know.


43 posted on 02/26/2009 8:47:09 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
wow! my dog, pepper, is a tri-color(Black and white with brown spots) but I've never grown out that cocker look. I keep him cut really short because he finds the first pile of dead leaves or grass he comes across as soon as he gets home from the groomer. I've always wanted to let it grow out but I know he'll be covered in dirt the minute I do.

I do let him get a fuzzy face and ears because it makes him look cute.

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44 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:10 PM PST by txroadkill (God Help Us-The Rats are in charge!)
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To: kalee
Blue Power Ear Treatment

I ran across that recipe many times in my research and all the feedback was very positive. I was going to try it next if the peroxide and vinegar solutions didn't work, but they did.

45 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: LaineyDee
Hi and thanks for the reply. I do give my lab medication for stress incontinence and it works great..I have no more little puddles of pee when she gets up..usually only about the size of a nickle...I also put about 1 tablespoon of veg. oil on her dry food. I will try dinovite. I also have 2 dogs, one I just adopted from a foster mom that fosters dogs for LLDR. Last Day Dog Rescue. They go into kill shelters and purchase dogs due to be killed the next day. The one I got is a senior, arthritic, but sweet. Her owner died and no one in the family wanted her. Saw a picture of her on the Internet and fell in like (?) with her. The 2 dogs tolerate each other. My lab is 10 and the other dog is about 12. Thanks again for your reply GG
46 posted on 02/26/2009 9:01:36 PM PST by goat granny
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To: txroadkill
He's adorable! What a pretty boy.

Lady -- our B&W was a show dog until we got her.. .she had the full show coat and it was AUGUST!!!! she had lived up in the mountains...poor thing, first thing we did was give her a hair cut. What we do is leave their legs about two or three inches long, their ears long and the top knot and shave everything else. In the summer when we are boating every week we shorten their legs to about an inch and half long.

She's out hug bug... well all three are, but she is a velcro dog with my husband. She is also out tomboy cocker.. loves the water... you can see, Daisy (our ASCOB) is not fond of water, she is a princess and doesn't like to be dirty... Lady OTOH ~LOL~

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Missy is a hunter, she will look for lizards all day long.

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47 posted on 02/26/2009 9:33:30 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Jeff Chandler

Fish oil capsules are excellent!


48 posted on 02/26/2009 9:34:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Jeff Chandler

We have a mobile groomer who comes here once a month and grooms my three, but when we did it I always rinsed them with apple cider vinegar. Our’s seldom get the ear problems, but in the summer when they are in the water a lot we use the Vinegar recipe on the Zim Cocker site once a week after we come off the lake. It has vinegar, alcohol, boric acid and betadine in it.


49 posted on 02/26/2009 9:36:49 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: LaineyDee

We are sooooooooo lucky we don’t have fleas out here! but years ago when we lived down in Irvine and our dog played in the park we had real issues with them, including our cat. I found brewers yeast and garlic really helped — didn’t know back then cats were not supposed to have garlic — we also fed her ground up organ meats and heart.. the fleas left her alone after than and she had the most gorgeous black coat...


50 posted on 02/26/2009 9:39:59 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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