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Scholar: The Essenes, Dead Sea Scroll 'authors,' never existed
Haaretz.com ^ | Mar 13, 2009

Posted on 03/13/2009 9:53:56 PM PDT by rdl6989

Scholarship suggesting the existence of the Essenes, a religious Jewish group that lived in the Judea before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, is wrong, according to Prof. Rachel Elior, whose study on the subject will be released soon.

Elior blasts the predominant opinion of Dead Sea Scrolls scholars that the Essenes had written the scrolls in Qumran, claiming instead that they were written by ousted Temple priests in Jerusalem.

"Sixty years of research have been wasted trying to find the Essenes in the scrolls. But they didn't exist, they were invented by [Jewish-Roman historian] Josephus. It's a history of errors which is simply nonsense," she said.

In his book "The Jewish War," Flavius Josephus describes the Essenes as an ascetic, mystical religious sect that lived in abstinence from worldly pleasures, including sex.

The Essenes are commonly believed to have written the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in a Qumran cave in 1947 and are considered the most significant archaeological discovery of the past century.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: deadseascrolls; epigraphyandlanguage; essenes; falseprophets; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; mideast; qumran
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more about the Chinese thing:

The Chinese connection (to the Dead Sea Scrolls)
The Star | Nov. 4, 2006 | NEIL ALTMAN
Posted on 11/30/2006 8:40:52 PM PST by John Philoponus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1746758/posts

Challenging History: The Dead Sea Scrolls
The Evening Bulletin [PA] | 25 September, 2007 | Neil Altman
Posted on 09/25/2007 4:48:34 PM PDT by brityank
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1902099/posts


21 posted on 03/14/2009 8:21:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: blam

With what hope of success would Josephus have perpetuated this fraud? He was writing journalism, not history; there would have been thousands of Jews and other locals who would have heard of his account and said, “Essenes? What on earth is he talking about?”

He would only have immediately discredited himself by trying to perpetuate a fraud a million people could have immediately unveiled.

Now a scholastic fraud 2,000 years later, on the other hand...


22 posted on 03/14/2009 8:25:06 AM PDT by Philo-Junius ((One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.))
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To: rdl6989

Clearly there was a movement represented by the Dead Sea Scrolls, started by a “teacher of righteousness”, who apparently objected to one of the Hasmonean Chief Priests, so I don’t see why it is inconsistent to say that a group founded perhaps by a renegade priest wrote the dead sea scrolls.


23 posted on 03/14/2009 1:21:17 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s funny, I did a search and nothing came up. I even searched the keywored essenes and nothing recent was posted. :D


24 posted on 03/14/2009 9:04:33 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Star Traveler

Think Babtists...... they split up all the time.

It is reasonable to assume that a group of Jerusalem priests split off and became Essenes at the new community of Qumran.


25 posted on 03/15/2009 5:18:01 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: bert

It sounded like he was saying that there was no such thing as a group called the Essenes...


26 posted on 03/15/2009 11:28:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: rdl6989

...and I don’t think we’re getting our money’s worth out of Google search lately. Used to work great, now I’m not too sure.


27 posted on 03/15/2009 4:38:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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In his book "The Jewish War," Flavius Josephus describes the Essenes as an ascetic, mystical religious sect that lived in abstinence from worldly pleasures, including sex. The Essenes are commonly believed to have written the Dead Sea Scrolls...
...by some people, yeah.

The problem I see with this author/paper is that the accuracy of Josephus (in this case, about the existence of a bunch of cave-dwelling ascetics called the Essenes) doesn't have anything much to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls, which apparently were hidden just the one time and never gone back for, and includes the Copper Scroll, which describes the hiding places of various items of value, appears to be obviously stuff from the Temple. Given the dating of the scrolls themselves (info that wasn't available to the modern individual who cooked up the Essenes=scroll writers), it seems settled that the cache of scrolls came from the Herodian temple during the Roman War.

This equating Josephus' Essenes with the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls isn't in Josephus, and isn't even in the scrolls' text, but has a modern origin. One the one hand we have people who fanatically defend this identification, and on the other we have the author of the claims described in the topic message. Both proceed from the same false premise.
28 posted on 03/15/2009 4:47:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
and I don’t think we’re getting our money’s worth out of Google search lately. Used to work great, now I’m not too sure.

Agreed!

29 posted on 03/15/2009 9:38:34 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SecAmndmt
"CE = A.D."

I loath that politically correct BCE/CE crap. It's BC and AD, you bedwetting, God-denying pansies. I refuse to use those terms. I say BC and AD.
30 posted on 03/15/2009 10:12:56 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: yankeedame

Well,....that too.


31 posted on 03/18/2009 11:50:23 PM PDT by screaming eagle2
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