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Schoolgirls fall prey to coffee shop trap (Loose Saudi women smoking, drinking coffee and laughing!)
Saudi Gazette ^ | 3/31/09 | Jameel Al-Harthi

Posted on 03/31/2009 9:06:53 AM PDT by LibWhacker

JEDDAH – Women’s coffee shops are no longer just meeting places for friends or refuges for a moment’s escape from the daily routine. Instead, according to some, they have become the haunts of university students and schoolgirls playing truant to indulge themselves in smoking shisha pipes and cigarettes, with women using the locations as impromptu job agencies, and matchmakers seeking willing bribes. Behind the walls of women’s coffee shops, some say, all sorts of things go on.

Salwan Abdullah, a 24-year-old university student, recalls the first time she was invited by a student friend to go to an all-female coffee shop. “I had no idea of what went on in these places, and when we entered the room was crowded with university students and girls from secondary and intermediate school. The air was full of smoke from shisha pipes and cigarettes. There were married and single girls, and women matchmakers going round asking girls if they were looking for husbands and if so what sort of features they were looking for.”

Girls in uniform

“I saw the same thing in another café during school exam time,” Salwan continued. “I saw girls in school uniform, no more than 14 years old, going into the bathrooms to change into jeans and T-shirts and putting on make-up they’d hidden in their school bags along with their cigarettes.”

“Girls have become more and more daring in coffee shops,” said university student Khuloud. “I once saw two girls among a group smoking shisha and laughing out loud as if it were the most normal thing in the world, and I could tell from their eyes that they were proud of it.” “What is behind all this?” Khuloud wonders. “Is it leniency on the part of their families? Is it the weakness of their religious restraints? Or is it that they fall into bad company. It could be a combination of all these things, but society needs to do something about it.”

Noura Asiri, a King Abdulaziz University student, recalls her experience at a north Jeddah coffee shop. “I saw a group of girls who had come in a car driven by a foreigner, and when I asked about them I discovered that they had been sent out with the driver on an errand, which shows that their family doesn’t know what they really get up to.”

Sara, a science student at King Abdulaziz University, described some of the behavior she saw in coffee shops as “incredible.”

“It goes completely against our ethics,” she said. “In one of the larger coffee shops I saw girls dressed very immodestly, acting as if they were young male teenagers, drinking coffee and tea, and there was a special place for listening to music which had been turned into some sort of place for dancing and showing off their bodies. Families need to keep an eye on this and prevent this sort of behavior in our conservative society.”

Female Hai’a staff

Dr. Abdul Razaq Al-Zahrani, a sociology professor at the Imam University is clear on the subject. “This sort of unethical, undisciplined and irrational behavior is wrong, and is one of the ills of our times that have been imported into the country causing our girls to copy and try out the immorality they see on satellite television channels,” he says. “It encourages the sons and daughters of families to sneak away from them in their free time. There should be somebody watching over these places and checking what goes on. The Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice should have female staff to carry out such a task.”

Amal Al-Ju’eid is a sociology specialist and says that all young people’s behavior has its source in their families and the disintegration of the family. “Social vigilance is clearly lacking here. If the girl engages in uncontrolled behavior of her own initiative this is a result of a lack of vigilance or the result of her trying to escape from extreme pressures at home, and so she might feel she gains something by fulfilling certain special desires,” Al-Ju’eid said. “The rapid development we’ve seen in society has led the family’s attention away from issues of domestic upbringing, while the privacy offered by some women’s restaurants and coffee shops has encouraged girls who have a lack of religious restraint.”

“The Ministry of Education could do something about this by restricting the times that female students go out during exam periods with the knowledge of their guardians,” Al-Ju’eid said. “But we can’t blame schools for everything that goes on. Home life needs to be fully addressed. Without a proper upbringing all the rules and laws in the world are of no use.”

Change in social fabric

Dr. Abla Hassanein, a sociology professor at King Abdulaziz University, sees the issue as part of a wider phenomenon. “The economic and social developments seen in the Kingdom have inevitably brought both negative and positive changes to the social structure,” she says. “Society is made up of a group of families with conflicts between the old and the new. This is an indicator of change in society and in its values which affect the social fabric. I’ve seen it in coffee shops, especially those in Jeddah, and I think my colleagues and other sociology and psychology specialists need to find an effective solution to flights from behavioral norms that go against our values in female students from intermediate school up to those in higher education. It’s a dangerous cultural conflict where girls in their early teens learn from others in their search for themselves and their own identity and choose their path based on what most appeals to their subconscious desires and inclinations.”

“The people who run the coffee shops are only interested in profit, regardless of what goes on in their establishments and however much it goes against our principles and values,” Hassanein continued. “I sometimes wonder what the situation is going to be like in these coffee shops in one or two years’ time if things go on as they are.”

Mother-daughter ties

“I also question the state of the relationship between mother and daughter,” she said. “The daughter rebels against her mother’s instinctive role as a guider and upbringer.”

“Two weeks ago,” Hassanein continued, “I was with a friend when she said we should go to a coffee shop her daughter often goes to in north Jeddah, and that I should see what goes on in there. I was taken aback by what I saw. It was completely unexpected, even though I’ve lived abroad for a good part of my life.” “One solution,” Hassanein said, “might be to offer girls more female clubs with rules conforming to Shariah law and standardized prices.”

Umeima Zahid, head of Educational Media at the Girls’ Education Administration said there was an awareness program by the administration carried out throughout the year in schools which included Islamic awareness, and instruction and guidance. Schools also have their own private initiatives.

“We hold discussion sessions with mothers and teachers in how to guide their daughters and students correctly and get the message across effectively,” Zahid said. “The behavior of girls in coffee shops is only one part of many social practices that everyone is keen to address.”


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: coffee; culturewar; isalmiclaw; saudi; schoolgirls; sharia; theocracy; womensrights

1 posted on 03/31/2009 9:06:54 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
“The behavior of girls in coffee shops is only one part of many social practices that everyone is keen to address.”

..along with finding enough stones to kill all the girls at the school

2 posted on 03/31/2009 9:09:15 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: LibWhacker

Allah forbid that women should begin to talk and (gasp!) THINK for themselves!


3 posted on 03/31/2009 9:11:42 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Common courtesy, like common sense, isn't.)
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To: LibWhacker

Now let’s not lose our heads!


4 posted on 03/31/2009 9:13:02 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: LibWhacker

I used to have a rule, (all men have sex rules, one friend decided that he could nail any girl that drove a yellow VW bug.) my rule was that if I saw a girl that I wanted and she was smoking then she was easy and everything would work out.


5 posted on 03/31/2009 9:13:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: LibWhacker

Meanwhile the Nags at the Shrew, er View, are silent on such matters.


6 posted on 03/31/2009 9:14:22 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Yes but these were “laughing out loud as if it were the most normal thing in the world”!!!! :O


7 posted on 03/31/2009 9:21:37 AM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: LibWhacker; mikrofon; lizol; xsmommy; A. Pole
“I once saw two girls among a group smoking shisha and laughing out loud as if it were the most normal thing in the world, and I could tell from their eyes that they were proud of it.”

o/~ o/~ Who Smoked The Shisha? o/~ o/~

8 posted on 03/31/2009 9:22:43 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Never sausage a thing)
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To: LibWhacker

“and laughing out loud as if it were the most normal thing in the world.”

It is, you barbarian.


9 posted on 03/31/2009 9:23:56 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 71 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: LibWhacker
“I once saw two girls among a group smoking shisha and laughing out loud as if it were the most normal thing in the world, and I could tell from their eyes that they were proud of it.”

OMG!! and you let them LIVE???

10 posted on 03/31/2009 9:25:46 AM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: LibWhacker
Well, the only thing to do is lock the exit doors and set the place on fire.
11 posted on 03/31/2009 9:31:22 AM PDT by 6323cd (Loyal Opposition My Ass)
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To: LibWhacker

what an absolutely stirring piece of Investigative Journalism....was Seymour Hersh or Bob Woodward responsible for that?


12 posted on 03/31/2009 9:36:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LibWhacker
Not recommending it but, let us think cirtically out loud...

What if these women had their version of the "2nd Admendment Sisters" ?

Oh I forgot they have no rights, no consitution.

Not to mention no support from NOW....

13 posted on 03/31/2009 9:40:32 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: LibWhacker

“. . . acting as if they were young male teenagers . . .”

nuff said


14 posted on 03/31/2009 9:43:45 AM PDT by cizinec (The truth is . . . . . 127!)
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To: LibWhacker

Good. These girls will become adult women who won’t tolerate the oppressive crap that Saudi-Islamic society pushes on them. Interesting to hear about the matchmakers operating in these places. Sounds like maybe there are also a good number of young men actively seeking the sort of wife who goes “wild” in evil coffee shops. I think within a couple more generations, Saudi society may have actually joined civilization.


15 posted on 03/31/2009 9:45:56 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: LibWhacker

Yet another excuse to bomb the west. Can you imagine girls smoking the shesha if America was gone?


16 posted on 03/31/2009 10:04:23 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: LibWhacker
“The Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice should have female staff to carry out such a task.”

They would, but they need a male chaperone to go out in public.

17 posted on 03/31/2009 10:52:15 AM PDT by sadamico (Can a state AG file a suit against the federal government for violating the US Constitution?)
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To: martin_fierro; xsmommy

It might’ve been worse — they could be selling shisha in seashells by the seashore...


18 posted on 03/31/2009 11:07:20 AM PDT by mikrofon (Hisha, shisha...)
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To: LibWhacker
When I was in college back in the 80's I had 2 muslim girls as neighbors; one from Saudi Arabia and one from Bangledesh. Both were from "progressive" families, in that they let their daughters get education and leave the country. it was from the girl from Bangledesh that I learned what I needed to solve the mystery of the 72 virgins for martyrs conundrum.

So you get your 72 virgins, but what happens after you have had them all? The answer is that muslim girls are perpetual virgins. The one from Bangledesh told me she was a virgin when I had her, and did a very convincing job that it was true. Over the course of that year she repeated the same performace with at least two other guys I know (maybe there were others?). Girl had a grip like a vice.

19 posted on 03/31/2009 11:51:09 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Good. These girls will become adult women who won’t tolerate the oppressive crap that Saudi-Islamic society pushes on them.

Don’t bet on it.

Remember that this is a country where it is perfectly acceptable to kill your wife if she has offended the family honor, where it is nearly impossible for a woman to prove a charge of rape against a man unless she has 3 witnesses, where the punishment for adultery is death, where a woman will be beaten for being out side of her home with out a male relative for an escort, where it is illegal for a woman to drive.

20 posted on 03/31/2009 12:28:51 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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But all those things are currently being subjected to serious and open challenge, whereas a couple of decades ago, they weren’t. The current king is pretty serious about moving the country towards real civilization, as quickly as is possible without triggering a bloody backlash from opposing ideological forces. And the megabillionaire Prince Alwaleed is also pushing the envelope hard. It will take time and effort to tug the Saudi masses into the modern world, but there are some very powerful Saudis behind the effort.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0309/1224242516790.html


21 posted on 03/31/2009 1:12:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
there are some very powerful Saudis behind the effort.

These same powerful Saudi also fund the Sharia schools and the Mullahs that preach death to all non-believers.

This King the wants to lead his country in to the 19th century is going to have a hard time with a male populous that sees women as the evil sex that Mohammad warned them about.

22 posted on 03/31/2009 1:29:13 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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