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Fan favorite Patrick out early in Honda GP after crash with rookie Matos [IRL season starts]
ChicagoTribune/AP ^ | April 5, 2009 | MIKE HARRIS

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:20:58 PM PDT by valkyry1

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — Danica Patrick's season got off to a tough start after she crashed out early in the season-opening Honda Grand Prix.

She was running ninth in the 22-car field on Sunday when rookie Raphael Matos tried to pass as the two went into one of the tightest turns on the 1.8-mile, 14-turn temporary street circuit.

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IRL season started Sunday 04-05-2009 at St. Petersburg. Danica grabs most of the media attention again.

She starts out back in the pack, and while at 9nth place & lap 31 rookie Raphael Matos tries to pass her while coming into a fast chicane and they both crash into the tires, putting her and Matos out of the race.

1 posted on 04/06/2009 10:20:58 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1
Here is the vid

http://larrybrownsports.com/car-racing/video-danica-patrick-rafael-matos-crash-honda-grand-prix/6383

2 posted on 04/06/2009 10:21:46 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

Ryan Briscoe, Ryan Hunter-Reay and Justin Wilson take the 1st 2nd and 3d places.

Ryan Hunter-Reay might be a guy to watch this season.


3 posted on 04/06/2009 10:25:02 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1
Never in the history of motor sports has so much been made of someone who's accomplished so little, all in the name of diversity.
4 posted on 04/06/2009 10:27:14 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: valkyry1

5 posted on 04/06/2009 10:27:43 PM PDT by GreatDaggar
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To: Big_Monkey

Yeppr


6 posted on 04/06/2009 10:28:40 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: GreatDaggar

I’d hit it, LOL


7 posted on 04/06/2009 10:29:28 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Big_Monkey

I agree. She’s not popular because of anything to do with racing.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 10:31:24 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (So Orwell was off by 25 years! So what!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
My biggest problem with her is her theatrics. Maybe it works for Tony Stewart, Tony Kannan or Kurt Bush, but it doesn't work for someone who has just one measly win in 65(ish) starts.

One of these days, she's going to get in the grill of the wrong guy, who's in the wrong mood and she's going to jacked. I hope it's caught on film.

9 posted on 04/06/2009 10:37:54 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: GreatDaggar
I see her tattoo has been airbrushed out.

You can see it here:

http://www.gunaxin.com/danica-patrick-tattoo-update/12761

10 posted on 04/06/2009 10:38:53 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: Big_Monkey

Agree.


11 posted on 04/06/2009 10:41:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (So Orwell was off by 25 years! So what!)
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To: valkyry1

Ok, before some one gets killed, get her off the track.


12 posted on 04/06/2009 11:06:56 PM PDT by llevrok (I would rather die, standing up and fighting, than to be on my knees, begging)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; Big_Monkey

That’s totally untrue. She’s made many contributions to the sport. She’s made history on many occasions.

You obvioulsy don’t know IRL racing.


13 posted on 04/06/2009 11:18:18 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: valkyry1
I’d hit it, LOL

In your dreams, LOL

14 posted on 04/06/2009 11:20:24 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: prismsinc
"She’s made history on many occasions.

Answer me one question: Has she made any history in the sport that doesn't include the words "first woman"?

I've been a motor-sports fan since I can remember. I went to my first Daytona 500 at the age of 3. And, I've been to over a dozen since and countless NASCAR, American Le Mans and even a few F1 races. Danica Patrick doesn't impress me as a driver. She has a short fuse and a long list of excuses - not a good combination.

15 posted on 04/06/2009 11:23:11 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

You are SPOT ON. Thanks!


16 posted on 04/06/2009 11:31:09 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Big_Monkey
It's a man's sport. You'd seriously deny her that which she rightfully earned because she's a woman?

This ain't basketball. Her life's on the line like every other driver. Did you already forget she lost her teammate in a vicious crash at Homestead, Paul Dana? You say you're a race fan, but you don't sound like one.

If you're such an avid race fan, you'd appreciate what she's accomplished, not diminish it. It's chauvanistic, and I sense a bit of jealousy in your words.
17 posted on 04/06/2009 11:39:14 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
"If you're such an avid race fan, you'd appreciate what she's accomplished

So, I take it by your answer, you couldn't come up with anything that doesn't include the word "woman" in it? I judge people, but especially athletes, by what they've accomplished - not by who they are.

She's only had ONE win in over 65 starts - that's NOT setting the house on fire. I'm not exactly sure what her per-lap incident is, but I'm guessing that it's significant. She's stalled coming out of the pits in critical times of the race a number of times.

And, she proudly proclaims she has no idea how the cars work and doesn't want to learn. GREAT drivers know EXACTLY how the cars work and it's that insight that allows them to communicate with the chief engineer or crew chief what's wrong with the set-up.

Maybe I'm not the one who doesn't know anything about motor sports.

18 posted on 04/06/2009 11:46:26 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: prismsinc; Big_Monkey

Well okay then. Just what has she accomplished that is so outstanding in the racing world. Almost every race last year she would place fairly well in the qualifying, then drop back during the race.


19 posted on 04/06/2009 11:52:20 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Big_Monkey
"She has a short fuse and a long list of excuses - not a good combination."

A girl named Dan......Daddy's little girl?
20 posted on 04/06/2009 11:56:52 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (In Guns We Trust)
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To: Big_Monkey
She's only had ONE win in over 65 starts - that's NOT setting the house on fire

Not only that, other than the one win last year her finishes were back in the pack IIRC.

21 posted on 04/07/2009 12:02:06 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Big_Monkey

So, by your answer, if the driver isn’t finishing number one on a consistent basis, they’re no good?

She remained very competitive all last season, and for some very good drivers, that’s the most any real fan can ask for.

She’s an outstanding marketing tool for auto racing, a bonus for IRL, a sport that’s slowly fading. Why would you fault her? A beautiful woman doing 200+? It’s not like she doesn’t challenge her opponents. She makes lots of top 10’s.

NASCAR is a civilized demolition derby, far slower than IRL. F1? If you’re not one of the top three teams, your chances of winning a race are zilch. BORING! Le Mans is too damned long. I have a bad case of ADD, I can’t do more than 3 hours.


22 posted on 04/07/2009 12:07:56 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
"Why would you fault her?

Because she has a prima Donna attitude with an under-study performance record. She really got under my skin when she...

A) Called Eddie Cheever an idiot on national television (Cheever's forgotten more about racing than Patrick knows) and

B)Got in the face of Ryan Briscoe. Had she been a man, she probably, definitely been knocked on her a$$.

She get preferential treatment precisely because she's a woman, and not because she's a great driver. So far, she's a journeyman driver, at best.

23 posted on 04/07/2009 12:15:17 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: prismsinc
"NASCAR is a civilized demolition derby, far slower than IRL

And by the way, before you go running down NASCAR - there's been more than a few drivers that have tried to move from IRL (or other open wheel) to NASCAR, and almost all have been a bust.

Tony Stewart is the lone exception. Montoya had a decent rookie season but has been very vanilla since. Sam Hornish, although an IRL phenom has been disappointing in NASCAR - Simply stated, NASCAR is a whole lot harder than it looks.

24 posted on 04/07/2009 12:21:17 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey

BIG EFFING DEAL. That’s jealousy talking there.

If you were in her shoes, you mean to tell me you wouldn’t take advantage of it? You’re naiive.

When Michael Jordan won his last championship, they played slo-mo of him CLEARLY getting away with a blatant offensive foul, right in front of the official.

Atheletes do this all the time. Dale Earnhardt jr. Got away with two yellow line encroachment violations last year, and got away with it because of his name.

You win any way you can, and a girl in racing? Those boys don’t want to get beat by a girl! I’ve seen them gang up on her on the track, or haven’t you noticed? Oh, that’s right. You’re a bigger fan than I am.


25 posted on 04/07/2009 12:26:07 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Big_Monkey

I like NASCAR. I’m not dogging it, but let’s face it. You’re doing no more than 140 most of the time in a brick.

IRL is faaaaaast. No touching in IRL, at 215mph. NASCAR is, well, NASCAR. It’s not really built for speed.


26 posted on 04/07/2009 12:30:52 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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Briscoe holds off Hunter-Reay, takes IRL opener in St. Pete The top three finishers in Sunday's IndyCar season opener were two drivers who didn't have rides a week ago, and a third who unexpectedly was thrust into leading IndyCar's winningest team.

Ryan Briscoe seized the lead from Justin Wilson on a restart with 14 laps left and held off Ryan Hunter-Reay to capture his third IndyCar victory

It's been a much sharper transition for Hunter-Reay and Wilson, who delivered career-best results for their respective teams despite still learning their crewmembers' names.

27 posted on 04/07/2009 12:33:59 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: prismsinc; Big_Monkey

NASCAR and Indy were much faster years ago until both have been restricted. If I recall correctly and I think I do, lap speeds of 240 mph were being hit at Daytona and Indy.


28 posted on 04/07/2009 12:38:21 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: GreatDaggar

The good old boys will never let her win a big one.


29 posted on 04/07/2009 12:43:10 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Raul Castro is laughing his ass off....and thanking the US unions and educators)
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To: valkyry1

NASCAR bodies don’t handle at all above 200mph. IRL does, but drivers start to blackout at 240 on the corners.

That’s what I suspect happened to Paul Dana, Danica’s former teammate. Though IRL wouldn’t talk about it.


30 posted on 04/07/2009 12:43:43 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc
I like NASCAR. I’m not dogging it, but let’s face it. You’re doing no more than 140 most of the time in a brick.

I was on your side at the beginning of this thread but now I think you don't know much about racing if you think NASCAR isn't racing.

31 posted on 04/07/2009 12:45:48 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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I never said it wasn’t racing, but you have to admit, those are STOCK CARS, not RACE CARS. They weren’t made to race.

The reason NASCAR is so competitive is that the payout is much higher than IRL. If IRL paid that much, all those NASCAR drivers would be open wheel heroes.


32 posted on 04/07/2009 12:50:33 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

//NASCAR bodies don’t handle at all above 200mph//

I know that, but thats what they were hitting with those Plymouth 440 Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas circa 1970.


33 posted on 04/07/2009 12:53:49 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: prismsinc

They were hitting 240 mph with the Plymouth Superbirds and Dodge Daytona’s back then.


34 posted on 04/07/2009 1:03:59 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: valkyry1

I always thought the census bureau never got an accurate count in Tennesse because of the hillbillies that avoided society.

My solution? Do a census count at the NASCAR Bristol races. It’s the only time them hillbillies come down from the hills! LOL!


35 posted on 04/07/2009 1:04:20 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: prismsinc

Did it work? LOL


36 posted on 04/07/2009 1:09:18 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: prismsinc

I remember reading that Rusty Wallace took an unrestricted NASCAR then-Nextel Cup racer around Daytona a few years ago using a pre-Car of Tomorrow design and promptly hit an amazing 230 mph on a couple of laps around that place! Small wonder why NASCAR instituted the restrictor plate rule for Daytona and Talledega.


37 posted on 04/07/2009 4:10:35 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Big_Monkey
I don't know. She was moving up and running ninth, and some rookie ass**le tries to out gun her in a hair pin turn.

The guy ought to be blackflagged for it. She is running consistently in the top ten I think which is very good.

With abetter car, she could improve her finish.

38 posted on 04/07/2009 4:17:25 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: RayChuang88
It was at Talledega in 2004. He hit 228mph on the straight away and his best lap came in at 221. He said he could probably get it up over 235 with a little “tweaking.”
39 posted on 04/07/2009 6:22:14 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (1/20/13 - Obama's Last Day!)
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To: prismsinc
IRL is faaaaaast. No touching in IRL, at 215mph. NASCAR is, well, NASCAR. It’s not really built for speed.

I tried to get into IRL but was bored to tears. Must be the "no touching".

40 posted on 04/07/2009 7:12:44 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Big_Monkey
Answer me one question: Has she made any history in the sport that doesn't include the words "first woman"?

Rookie of the Year in 2005 after finishing 12th in the IndyCar Series championship.
41 posted on 04/07/2009 8:00:55 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Jimmy Valentine
"With a better car, she could improve her finish.

I'll concede your first point (about this last incident), but I think she has a great car. She drives for one of the best teams that compile information from two of the better drivers in the sport. Tony Kanaan has won at least 6 times (5 times more than Danica) with at least that many top threes driving the same car (to the extent that the cars can be the same)during the exact same time period.

If the car's not performing better, she only has herself to blame. As I said in an earlier post, Kanaan (and all the great drivers) knows how the car works. He can tell the chief engineer precisely what's wrong with the car making it much easier for the engineer and the technicians to set-up up the car for maximum speed at optimal handling. If Danica's car isn't performing as well as her teammate's, she only has herself to blame. But with her ego, you'll never hear her say that.

In fact, I can't ever remember he saying anything, but especially her performance, was her fault. It's always somebody else problem or mistake. That's my problem with Patrick.

42 posted on 04/07/2009 8:15:32 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: llevrok
Ok, before some one gets killed, get her off the track.

Didn't she hit some guy and kill him in a practice incident in Nashville early in her career? I'm not a racing fan, but seem to recall this happening.

43 posted on 04/07/2009 10:29:15 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Big_Monkey
Tony Stewart is the lone exception.

I'm guessing you're kidding. Kenny Schrader, Jeff Gordon, Ryan Newman, JJ Yeley, and Kasey Kahne all came up through USAC.

44 posted on 04/07/2009 10:36:48 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Big_Monkey

And that’s just current drivers off the top of my head.


45 posted on 04/07/2009 10:38:27 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
"I'm guessing you're kidding. Kenny Schrader, Jeff Gordon, Ryan Newman, JJ Yeley, and Kasey Kahne all came up through USAC. USAC, absolutely. I'd wager that almost all the NASCAR drivers have some form of open wheel experience in the youth, especially in carting.

But, I was speaking of the major open wheel circuits, like F1 IRL and Champ. Can you think of any of those drivers that have had real success in NASCAR?

46 posted on 04/07/2009 10:44:19 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
But, I was speaking of the major open wheel circuits

That's pretty weak. USAC is THE open wheel sanctioning body in the United States. There's only one reason drivers leave open wheel to come to NASCAR, and it's not the racing: it's the money. If NASCAR runs short of money, these guys are going back to open wheel.

If you want to look back a little further, to when the different series allowed more switching, there are quite a few open wheel drivers that had success in NASCAR. Foyt and Andretti come immediately to mind.

47 posted on 04/07/2009 10:58:54 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Big_Monkey
I'd wager that almost all the NASCAR drivers have some form of open wheel experience in the youth, especially in carting.

Also, I think you'd lose this bet. I'd say it's closer to 50/50 between guys coming up through USAC on one hand and NASCAR or ASA on the other. 50/50 might even be high.

48 posted on 04/07/2009 11:52:35 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
"Also, I think you'd lose this bet.

What? To be clear, you don't think that most of these drivers were carting LONG, LONG before they ever sat in a late-model or NASCAR track?

I don't think that's a bet I'd lose.

49 posted on 04/07/2009 11:55:30 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
To be clear, you don't think that most of these drivers were carting LONG, LONG before they ever sat in a late-model or NASCAR track?

They might have sat in go-karts at sometime, but as far as organized racing goes, I'm saying that it's 50/50 at best between USAC and NASCAR/ASA.

50 posted on 04/07/2009 11:57:12 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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