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Obama Did Not Order the Kill That Freed Capt. Phillips
Gateway Pundit ^ | 4/12/09 | Gateway Pundit

Posted on 04/12/2009 8:19:45 PM PDT by Nachum

Sorry libs. Obama did not give the direct order to kill the Somali pirates. You'll have to wait another day for the cut-and-runner to earn his hero badge. Blackfive has the real story:

I just finished listening to the press conference w/ ADM Gortney about the rescue of Captain Phillips. At the time it happened the USS Bainbridge was towing the lifeboat to calmer waters as the sea state was deteriorating. One of the pirates was on board the Bainbridge as the talks about obtaining Phillip's release continued. The lifeboat was approx. 25 m behind the Bainbridge when snipers on the fantail observed one of the pirates in the pilot house of the lifeboat pointing an AK-47 at the back of a tied up Phillips and the other two pirates on board were visible (at least shoulders and heads). The standing authority gave them clearance to engage the pirates if the life of the captain was in imminent danger. The on scene commander deemed this to be true and gave the order to fire. All three bad guys were taken out and then a rigid inflatable boat went to the lifeboat to retrieve Phillips. It is unknown at this point whether the shooters were SEALs or Marine Scout Snipers as both would have been available.

This was not a rescue attempt ordered by National Command Authority i.e. the President. It was a reaction by the on scene commander under standard authority to safeguard the life of a hostage.

The AP is reporting that President Obama gave the order to use military force to rescue the hostage, that is misleading. They want so desperately for the community organizer to become a real hero.

More... They were pointing their weapons at the captain. Reuters reported:

"They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain," Vice Adm. William Gortney, head of the U.S. Naval Central Command, said in a Pentagon briefing from Bahrain.

Gortney also said Washington had rejected negotiations with the pirates. "The United States government policy is to not negotiate," he said.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bho44; gortney; kill; obama; order; phillips; pirates; snipers; somali; somalia; somaliapirates; somalipirates; usnavy
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Dynamite here.
1 posted on 04/12/2009 8:19:46 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; Free ThinkerNY; ...

The List, ping


2 posted on 04/12/2009 8:20:06 PM PDT by Nachum (the complete list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Video of the complete Pentagon presser (30 minutes):

http://wbztv.com/video/?id=75239


3 posted on 04/12/2009 8:23:26 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Nachum
Obama will be strutting tomorow..
4 posted on 04/12/2009 8:24:48 PM PDT by GSP.FAN
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To: Nachum

Gee color me suprised. Our terrible leader wouldn’t have the cajones to order it. And besides I love how the AP reports that he twice ordered it....What? Twice. Why twice? They just put that in there to make it seem like all along he was for military action when he really wasn’t. The Navy Seals or whoever freed him should get the credit...not Obama


5 posted on 04/12/2009 8:25:27 PM PDT by YoungBlackRepublican
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To: Nachum

Those are not the pirates I knew.


6 posted on 04/12/2009 8:25:51 PM PDT by lacrew (Obama and cabinet: Fool and the Gang)
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To: Nachum
'I went to take a s--t, and the bad guys just died around me.'

Eeh... Who HASN'T eaten boiled eggs and cabbage to run off inlaws?

Next time, I'll invite some squids.

BZ, Navy.

/johnny

7 posted on 04/12/2009 8:26:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: lacrew

Throwing the Pirates under the bus.....Wish I could do the graphics....Big orange bus!


8 posted on 04/12/2009 8:28:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (I support the "Easter Seals!")
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To: YoungBlackRepublican
Obama did not PROHIBIT force, and somehow that is supposed to make Obama some kind of war time presidential hero?

Obama did the bare minimum here.

I am glad Obama did not screw things up, completely, but there is plenty of time for that. Just watch -— what will he do next to stop this stuff from happening again?

9 posted on 04/12/2009 8:28:45 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Nachum; All
Yeah. There's some other threads about it. MSM started trying to "spin" it about 10 minutes after the first report.
You know.......
SuperZero To The Rescue!
Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.......
10 posted on 04/12/2009 8:29:16 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Nachum
Thank God SpecOps can still think for themselves.
11 posted on 04/12/2009 8:30:05 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: hoosiermama

Big Orange Bus....with pontoons!


12 posted on 04/12/2009 8:31:25 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn"--Delmore Schwartz)
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To: Kansas58

In other words Obama was present on this crisis and nothing more than that.


13 posted on 04/12/2009 8:33:22 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: little jeremiah

FYI


14 posted on 04/12/2009 8:34:34 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Nachum

Yes, they’re saying this is his first security test and how well he’s passed it. If it were President Bush we’d get stories of the poor pirates and why the USA forces them to be pirates.


15 posted on 04/12/2009 8:35:34 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: Nachum

A Navy rebuilt by Ronald Reagan, revitalized by George Bush and held back five days against four pirates by Hussien Obama.


16 posted on 04/12/2009 8:36:20 PM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: usmcobra

Those Muslim religious nut job pirates should have known better than to have been clinging so tightly to their guns.


17 posted on 04/12/2009 8:36:52 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Nachum

Awesome. This will be blasted on talk radio tomorrow all across the Fruited Plain.


18 posted on 04/12/2009 8:37:17 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: piytar

You need to read this.


19 posted on 04/12/2009 8:37:51 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Nachum

During this whole ordeal I was wondering how this was going to be played by the WH: I had a hunch Obama would NEVER give a shoot-to-kill order and risk agitating the Muslim world, who he just assured we were not warring with/
But how, how, how did they anticipate it would unfold?
I know a few days ago there were “negotiations”, which “broke down” because the “US” insisted the pirates be brought to justice and stand trial. THEN, the next thing you know, (all the while with NO news directly stating that Obama himself had given any orders to do ANYTHING,) there was news of the disabled boat, out of gas, with only the Captain and several pirates aboard, and then a sudden firefight, with three pirates dead, and the Captain rescued probably by Navy Seals. Meanwhile in the last several hours newsreaders on both cable and MSM are reassuring us that the President gave the order, and Geraldo can’t keep himself from gloating that his boy Barack may actually be a ‘wartime’ President after all. I guess I will have to wait to hear the AM news tomorrow and hear anew whatever spin the WH wants to put on it.


20 posted on 04/12/2009 8:39:17 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Nachum

And AP’s story comes crashing down.


21 posted on 04/12/2009 8:41:02 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Nachum; Saint X; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; BIGLOOK; Marine_Uncle; ...

Thanks...much!


22 posted on 04/12/2009 8:41:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Nachum

Were they Mirandized?


23 posted on 04/12/2009 8:41:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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To: Nachum

Were they Mirandized?


24 posted on 04/12/2009 8:41:13 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If Bishop D'Arcy finds out a priest is molesting kids, he will boycott the parish's Fall Supper!!!)
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To: Nachum

The MSM can’t allow Obama to fail because they have too much vested interest in him! After all, they were his biggest cheerleaders.


25 posted on 04/12/2009 8:42:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Nachum
I just can't help wondering what prompted these 4 pirates to go after a US vessel after all these years of avoiding them.

I wonder where that order came from.

26 posted on 04/12/2009 8:44:24 PM PDT by There's millions of'em
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To: supremedoctrine

And peglegs and parrots sticking out of the edges.....


27 posted on 04/12/2009 8:44:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama (I support the "Easter Seals!")
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To: Nachum

BTTT


28 posted on 04/12/2009 8:44:46 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Nachum; Saint X; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; BIGLOOK; Marine_Uncle; ...
From Drudge and Breitbart and the AP....spin starting already???:

Obama twice approved force to rescue hostage

****************************EXCERPT*****************************

WASHINGTON (AP)—Administration officials say President Barack Obama approved the military operation that rescued a U.S. captain held hostage by Somali pirates.

The officials say Obama ordered the Defense Department to use military resources to rescue Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast.

The officials discussed this information on the condition of anonymity because they were not yet authorized to disclose the president's decision-making

29 posted on 04/12/2009 8:45:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Nachum
The first thing I thought when reading that AP article citing orders from Obama was "yeah, sure".

I half expect to see "war room" photos next:


30 posted on 04/12/2009 8:46:36 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
No, but 3 out of 4 pirates have nothing bad to say about the US of A.

/johnny.

31 posted on 04/12/2009 8:47:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: GSP.FAN

(G)Wild Turkeys

Dang that visible beard requirement!
32 posted on 04/12/2009 8:47:46 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Arthur McGowan

I’m amazed by the pin point accuracy of the sharpshooters I see on the cop shows on TrueTV or whatever it’s called, and they are in a fixed postion. Regardless of how calm the sea was, for three separate shots to be that accurate with both the shooter and target moving is awesome.


33 posted on 04/12/2009 8:48:18 PM PDT by bleach (Wake me in 2012)
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To: There's millions of'em

“I wonder where that order came from”.
——Joe Biden-——


34 posted on 04/12/2009 8:49:45 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I bet some kind of photo with Obama looking Forceful and in charge of the military will appear ....


35 posted on 04/12/2009 8:49:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: ReneeLynn

not only that. we would be hearing how the US are the real pirates.


36 posted on 04/12/2009 8:52:41 PM PDT by farfromhome (Let us judge Obama on the content of his character rather than on the color of his skin.)
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To: Nachum

Dems whining about losing the Somali vote now.


37 posted on 04/12/2009 8:52:49 PM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: Nachum

On the positive side, he didn’t order the Capt. killed either, did he?


38 posted on 04/12/2009 8:54:33 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Nachum

Where’s Murtha? How come we’re not looking to try and convict these soldiers? What gives them the right? /s

At least Carter gave the order to save the hostages. Choco-Carter waited for someone else to do his job.


39 posted on 04/12/2009 8:56:03 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Kansas58
I'm surprised obama hadn't ordered only non-lethal force in any rescue attempt. Seriously, that sounds like just the idealistic BS someone like him would pull. Thank God the Navy and/or Marines got it done before they got too much "help" from above.

So, for this successful surface action, what does the ship paint on the side of the wheel house? A lifeboat, or a turban?

40 posted on 04/12/2009 8:58:19 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: Nachum

But the u.s. press has been emphasizing he authorized TWICE the takedown. Can’t have it both ways...looks like the WACO retreads are trying to decide which is the right PR story. Pathetic. Good work u.s. military!


41 posted on 04/12/2009 9:03:20 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Nachum
Pursuing this without more specifics aint gunna fly.

All the WH has to say is, Pres. Obama gave the order to take ‘em out based on opportunity.

The same opportunity Clinton had, to take out Bin-Laden and didn't\wouldn't give the order.

42 posted on 04/12/2009 9:06:55 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - the ethically excepted asterisk administration)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

43 posted on 04/12/2009 9:08:50 PM PDT by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: usmcobra

No kidding. This is just another dim who is loyal to his party not to this country. Good for the USN and the Seal Teams. Take care of business where the pretend president couln’t make a decision. Same old same old. Carter, Clinton, Nobama.


44 posted on 04/12/2009 9:09:10 PM PDT by Texas resident
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To: Nachum

I see some hypocrisy here. Can’t torture a terrorist to save a city. But you can kill three pirates to save a sailor????

Am I missing something here?


45 posted on 04/12/2009 9:11:55 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Nachum

“The on scene commander deemed this to be true and gave the order to fire.”

Wondering which end of underneath the bus is open for this guy.


46 posted on 04/12/2009 9:17:40 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Nachum

I think it’s pretty obvious, that in a situation where things can happen in a few seconds, the clearance to use deadly force has to be obtained prior to the situation occurring. So no, they didn’t call and get permission at that split second.


47 posted on 04/12/2009 9:18:38 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Kansas58

Someone stated it so well and used the words jackassery in describing the protocol Obami wants as he wants our military operating with it’s hands tied behind it’s back


48 posted on 04/12/2009 9:22:03 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
Btw, officials told that Obama “twice” approved the use of force - on Friday and Saturday...

Twice?! Are his approvals come with an expiration date of one day? Or he was just kind of lazy and did not approve it 10 times? That would show the “tough guy” he really is (after 2 Navy Captains and Navy SEALS basically saved the day on their own!)

49 posted on 04/12/2009 9:25:58 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: Nachum
“It is unknown at this point whether the shooters were SEALs or Marine Scout Snipers as both would have been available.”

CBS 2 news in LA reported tonight that Marine snipers from Camp Pendleton were involved, for what it's worth.

50 posted on 04/12/2009 9:27:41 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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