Skip to comments.Nazis and U.S. Politics..(FR repost from 1995)
Posted on 04/18/2009 1:17:26 PM PDT by crazyshrink
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I remember this and have looked for it a few times. Thank you for posting it...
bookmarked for later.
..sounds eerily familiar to me.....
I think most can see what we're up against - the left is following in the footsteps of the National Worker's Socialist Party, with the blessing of most of the media. History repeats itself.
We live in interesting times.
Maybe DHS was on to something.
Hitler finally gained a plurality after 10 years only because the Communists were killing millions with genocide famine in Ukraine and other areas.
The height of the genocide/famine was March 1933, just when Hitler was able to take power.
These millions included nearly a million Amish, Mennonite, and other fundamentalist German colonists that settled into the area a hundred years prior.
Here's one theory:
To quote Yogi Berra, "It's deju vu all over again."
Like some of us tried to point out during the election, Hitler was a community organizer.
I would respectfully disagree with your comment. Each party going to the extreme is “statism”. I collection of socialism, fascism, communism, and hybrids of more and more gov’t control.
The opposite of statism would be anarchy, i.e. no govt. A republic is much closer to anarchy that any of the aformentioned statist types of gov’t.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing when they created a republic and allowed the states to create a federal branch subject to many checks and balances.
Sadly, the “extremists” have usurped that goal to the point that we now find ourselves at a crossroads. We are forced into making our choices (republic or statist) and face the consequences of the necessary actions needed to choose a direction i.e. revolution or submission to statism.
I personally have chosen being a republic with a gov’t based on the constitution as written and interpreted by out founding fathers. I gave up my long standing membership in the Rep. party after Bush 43 was elected and proceeded to continue to create a more statist path for the USA.
I am a conservative, darn proud of it, and will do what is necessary to protect my country from becoming a statist gov’t.
OMG...I reads almost exactly like what is happening today.
It reads almost exactly like what is happening today.
Genocide was to Hitler as infanticide (abortion) is to Obama and the statists.
I would argue the goals of the two are similar. To create a “master race” based on genetic superiority to help insure that they keep the power and the control.
Infanticide (abortion) supporters will use socialized medicine to help “weed out” those that they choose right after they succeed in “breaking the budget” with the costs of socialized medicine.
Not to mention the fake war on drugs and backdoor support of cartels. They keep pumping the children with stuff coming up from Mexico that gels their brains.
Hear, hear. Mark Levin's new book expand on this in great detail, from what I've been able to read so far
Pinging for debete reference.
Lol! Perfect : )
You can’t disagree! LOL! (kidding)
You’re putting all under one umbrella. We’re both right, except you generalized my point.
Extreme Democrats preach “economic equality”. This is inherently Socialist.
Extreme Republicans are elitists, that are openly accepting nationalization of our industries for the purpose of dictating how the masses should live, regardless of “economic equality”. This is a Fascist concept.
As a FReeper posted in a thread yesterday, It’s important to understand the difference, because while both systems are ultimately Statist, the way each achieves their goals is fundamentally different. It allows us to expose the methods our adversaries are using more effectively, because we have historical models (i.e. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini) from which to compare.
Haven’t had a chance to get Levin’s book yet. (Am seriously underemployed right now) Plan to get a copy though.
My thoughts on fighting statism is to cut off the $ they get thru taxes, fees, etc.
Create an undergound economy. Pay willing people in cash so as to avoid taxes on the transactions (at least partially in cash if necessary). Quit spending on unnecessary things and save). And on and on.
One more thing. Don’t confuse “Anarchism” for “Libertarianism”. In an Anarchist model described by Marx, there is a Government, but it is rendered completely ineffective.
A Libertarian model is what you meant, because it is a system by which Government effectively executes few and necessary laws to ensure civility and the security of the people.
“Extreme Democrats preach economic equality. This is inherently Socialist.”
Those are “the words they use” not the goals they aspire to. This is the same as when they keep referring to the USA as a democracy...we are a republic...and there are huge differences.
Words to a democrap have very different meanings than they do to conservatives.
Personally, I consider what Obama's doing with GM as Fascist.
This is exactly why we have so-called Republicans like Romney backing the nationalization of healthcare. Large global businesses don't want to pay the good bennies any longer. Dems want it to have control of something. It's a match made in heaven...or hell.
We will all have inferior care to suite these fascists. Euro style euthanasia comes next and it's just a mathematical calculation to a pol with no moral base. Someone has to be eliminated to continue down the socialist path...who will it be?
That could work, I wonder what they would resort to when cash runs out and they become desperate and start seeking out us "tax evaders" though.
No matter what happens I think we're gonna be in for a rough ride.
Levin's new book is very good, maybe I should get off of FR and get back into it :)
I guess my opinion on the definition is slightly different. My defintion of anarchism is that there is no central govt or other pro forma govt. Just people doing what they want within the parameters of their “tribes” social norms and standards. One could liken my intrepretation to the American Indian tribes. Each lived according to their own rules and accepted norms.
Yes we have.
Ping for use later.
One man’s socialism is the next man’s communism is the next man’s fascism. There are no pure forms of “statism” or other gov’t types. It all depends on what the statists are able to “set up” and the history of the people’s being “governed”.
I agree with you that much of what we are experiencing today can be labeled socialistic. Other parts of it can be labeled communist, fascist, totalitarian, democratic, etc.
I always wondered why the so called communist countries behind the Iron Curtain called themselves (German Democratic Republic, Union of Soviet Social Republics, etc.)
They are different forms of statism.
What we need in our govt offices are statesmen. People who put the values and principles of the county’s founders at the forefront of their values. And yes, this too could be called statism.
“That could work, I wonder what they would resort to when cash runs out and they become desperate and start seeking out us “tax evaders” though.
I don’t see the upcoming “real battle” as some do (us vs the gov’t). My theory is that it will be us (conservatives, pro USA folks) against the “liberal nanny states dependants”.
Liberals will cast the blame on us and “send the army of dependants” after us. Did u hear of the nannystate marchers (approx 50K) marching in NYC demanding higher taxes on the wealthy or the ACORN bussed and paid for lackies sent to the AIG exec’s homes? Just the beginning of the real battle I am afraid.
Actuall we should call Obama’s followers Children of the new world order.
Technically I beleive fascism is where there is a centralized control of the means of production, but without the government actually owning the means of production, such as with socialism.
With the recent power grabs from both parties, and even more so of late with Obama and friends, I don't think I see much actual ownership of the means of production, but I do see increasing centralized control.
So I would guess government growers from both fascist and neither are socialist.
That text is more or less horrible bull. It is factually wrong in so many instances that I won’t bother to rebuff it. It should not even be used to start a discussion, really. What the hell is a Policia Bewakken supposed to be?
Pagan animism became state religion? Hitler took regular people’s guns? Really, everyone who has even remotely touched a history book about this should know that those are outright lies. And apart from Nazi organisations, every single name in this story is written wrong, or - in case of the policia bewakken - just made up.
Yeah, i’m seeing that Democrats use populist style socialism, strictly while campaigning, to embolden anarchists to act against us.
Once capitalism is successfully destroyed from within, fascism begins to take over. So, I agree with your assessment. Democrats hide behind the cloak of socialism and in reality want to rule as fascists.
by a weird coincidence, someone pinged me to the original today.
Nazis and U.S. Politics - (Hitler’s tactics in his rise to power in Germany, 1930’s)
Washington Times Letters To the Editor | June 7, 1995 | Thomas Colton Ruthford
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Aw, go ahead - give it a shot.
Chilling! We’re almost halfway there.