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Need gun advice on concealable 9mm.
4-19-09 | Self

Posted on 04/19/2009 1:53:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Okay, I am looking for an easily concealable 9mm handgun for my wife. Main qualities (not necessarily in order), 1) Reliability, 2)min. size/weight 3) Preferably under $400, used is okay if with a lifetime warranty. 4) approx. 10 round mag. 5)Double action only trigger so that there are no safeties to fumble with

Disqualifiers: cheap junk, Taurus semi auto. I had almost talked myself into believing that Taurus had improved their semi-autos, and today I looked at a brand new Taurus PT-111 that was inoperable.

Thanks. BoT


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1 posted on 04/19/2009 1:53:18 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Kel Tec P-11 fits all of your parameters. You need to put a few 100 rounds through it to break it in though, to make it 100% reliable.


2 posted on 04/19/2009 1:56:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Glock 26 in terms of reliability. Whether it meets your other requirements is another question.

When I first bought a Glock 17, I kept track of how many rounds I fired before I had a failure or stoppage. I gave up at 2500 and still waiting for the first failure. It’s absolutely the most reliable semi I’ve seen.

Jack


3 posted on 04/19/2009 1:57:44 PM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s a little more than $400, but the Springfield XD9 Subcompact fits your requirements and is worth the extra money.


4 posted on 04/19/2009 1:58:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Caliber - 9x19mm Capacity - 10+1 Action - Glock's proprietary "Safe Action" system Barrel - 3.5 inches Weight - 20 oz. with empty magazine


5 posted on 04/19/2009 1:59:40 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Pshaw.

A gun post?

You’ll never get a response to a request for gun advice around here.

No way, no how.

Folks around here don’t care much for guns. That’s what I’ve noticed.


6 posted on 04/19/2009 1:59:41 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Oh, forgot to mention - the XD is a single action pistol, but like the Glock it has no external safeties. The trigger is much better on it than on the Glocks and it’s lightyears better than any DA pistol.


7 posted on 04/19/2009 2:00:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good luck. After months of searching I finally quit looking for an easily concealable 9mm that did not compromise too much in other ways and settled for a Glock 19. It is not easily concealable, but at 1.18” wide it isn’t too bad. Of course, a woman’s hands are smaller so some of the handguns that were out of the question for me are likely to be in play for your wife.


8 posted on 04/19/2009 2:00:25 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There’s a small CZ 9mm version that I believe is pretty good. CZ makes a handgun that as far as I am aware is the only one that surpassed the NATO requirements for not jamming. Not sure if they have a safety or not, I believe you can get them DAO.


9 posted on 04/19/2009 2:02:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Sig p239? A little pricey maybe....


10 posted on 04/19/2009 2:03:07 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather bed. -Jefferson)
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To: JoeProBono

11 posted on 04/19/2009 2:03:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Take a look at the Kel Tec PF9. For concealed carry, its perfect, I love mine. Make sure she practices and does not have a "limp wrist" issue. The recoil is pretty stiff on small 9's and some people can not hold them well enough and this can cause a FTE or FTF properly. (Failure To Eject, Failure to Feed)

If she has little experience, you may want to look at a titanium frame 5 shot .38 revolver, she will have a purse so CC is easier for her.

12 posted on 04/19/2009 2:03:55 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Sorry, forgot the grip safety - but you don’t have to remember that because you get that off when you grip the gun.


13 posted on 04/19/2009 2:03:55 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I carry both the taurus pt 111 and the keltec 32 and I like the comfort of the .32 the best but the pt111 has more “umph” and capacity. Its really a toss up but fire-power has me leaning towards my taurus.


14 posted on 04/19/2009 2:05:49 PM PDT by BOBWADE
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To: Blood of Tyrants

oops duh, the Sig has a thumb latch safety.


15 posted on 04/19/2009 2:05:53 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather bed. -Jefferson)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The CZ RAMI


16 posted on 04/19/2009 2:06:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

Grip safeties are okay. Like you said, she won’t have to remember in an emergency.


17 posted on 04/19/2009 2:09:04 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: mylife

I think those exceed his $400 limit by quite a bit.


18 posted on 04/19/2009 2:09:07 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If you can find a used Sig P230 in .380 I'd take a serious look at it.

I picked mine up for about $250.00. It's not 9mm, but it's very concealable, utterly reliable, and is more than suitable for the purpose.

19 posted on 04/19/2009 2:12:17 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: randomhero97

I was answering SAM’s post.


20 posted on 04/19/2009 2:13:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ovrtaxt

I love, love, love our Sig.


21 posted on 04/19/2009 2:14:09 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Our current government is what our founding fathers tried to prevent.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I got a CZ P-01 9mm a couple years ago, barely used for $380. DA/SA, decocker—good pistol but might be tough finding one now. I can’t find a CZ SP-01, or even a response from CZ.
Stay away from the Walther PK .380, since the DA is trigger is hard for some women to pull (I read in `Guns’) even if you can find one for under $400.
I’d look at the Ruger LCP in .380 for my spouse, then get some of that Hornady PD ammo, but again, believe there’s a wait for the gun.


22 posted on 04/19/2009 2:14:25 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Heil myself!" Chairman Zero)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The XD9 Subcompact has 10+1 in the pictured config, and there is a factory 15 round mag with grip extension for the reload. This takes the grip up to the size of the regular XD9, if so fitted. Here is an XD9SC with the 15 round mag in:

I carry the bigger sibling, the XD45 Compact. 10+1 in the short mag, 13 in the reload. All XDs come in a kit with at least two and up to five magazines, a cleaning brush, a lock, a belt slide holster, a dual magazine holster, and a magazine loader.

23 posted on 04/19/2009 2:15:40 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: tumblindice

A friend of mine bought a P01 last year. Decent gun, but man is that slide effort heavy. The slide itself is also difficult to get purchase on at times.


24 posted on 04/19/2009 2:17:31 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Who wants a pea shooter like that? What, do you live in a city or something. Get a 45 Auto to buy you some time to get to something with some power. 45-70 will handle up to a small bear but for ultimate protection use a .458 magnum or bigger. Just don’t shoot a bear in the house. It is such a mess and so loud. Shoot the buglers in the house because of liability. If they survive they can sue and take your house.


25 posted on 04/19/2009 2:18:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mylife

Sorry, lol.


26 posted on 04/19/2009 2:18:40 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: MrPiper; Blood of Tyrants

I absolutely agree with MrPiper.

The ONLY suggestion on this thread that actually fits your qualifications is the PF9.

Everything else is a conceit.


27 posted on 04/19/2009 2:19:30 PM PDT by papertyger (DHS report on right wing extremism = an administration WHITE PAPER!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is my smallest carry gun:

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SIG SAUER P250

I think I paid about $650 for mine new but they have a certified pre-owned program for used gov. models that have a warranty and I would think that you could probably get one closer to $400

28 posted on 04/19/2009 2:19:50 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply can not be tyrannized)
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To: randomhero97

No worrys


29 posted on 04/19/2009 2:21:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: voteNRA

The certified pre-owned Sigs are a great buy when you can find them, must of them don’t have more than a couple hundred rounds through them.


30 posted on 04/19/2009 2:24:30 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Travis McGee; Blood of Tyrants

My apologies. The P11 also fits all your qualifications excepting the minimal size/weight.

The P11 and PF9 are the same gun other than the 9 is single stack while the 11 is double.


31 posted on 04/19/2009 2:26:44 PM PDT by papertyger (DHS report on right wing extremism = an administration WHITE PAPER!)
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To: Spktyr

Good point about the slide.
Another point worth mentioning, with a DA hammer you can give a bad/hard primer another hit w/ the pin (if you want) before having to rack the slide, something you can’t do with a striker.


32 posted on 04/19/2009 2:26:48 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Heil myself!" Chairman Zero)
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To: ovrtaxt

AND you can get the 239 with the DAK trigger, which is a true double action. It does cost more than BOT wants to pay and might be a little on the heavy side. But wow, mine are great.


33 posted on 04/19/2009 2:28:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have also seen some S&W M&P compacts (M&P 9c) for around what you are asking for in 9mm, and double action.


34 posted on 04/19/2009 2:29:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The first comment I would like to make is that you really need to take a look at any rule that puts a price limit on a weapon that will be used to save your wife's life. I take it that her life is worth $400 but not worth $600.
I'm a long time CCW holder, comp shooter, gunsmith, and firearms safety instructor.
My best advice is to find a handgun that fits her hands, not yours, that is reliable and easy to use in a stressful situation. Take classes from certified instructors on how and when to use the handgun, and then set up a practice schedule and stick with it. There are many great handguns on the market. The selection of an individual protection firearm is personal, serious and important. Take her to a range that teaches and rents handguns. Have her shoot as many different models as she can get her hands on. One of them will jump up as the "Best" one for her situation. You won't break the bank by making this decision in this manner. It is likely that it will cost you more than $400 but I think you can get the job done for under $700. Just please do not put a firm price tag on her life.
35 posted on 04/19/2009 2:30:09 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: tumblindice

The other school of thought is that if your primer didn’t fire the first time, the second strike probably isn’t going to fire it either, so you might as well save time, eject the defective round and move on.


36 posted on 04/19/2009 2:37:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Do you have a source for 9 mm ammunition? It is in short supply in many places.

A simple, short-barrel revolver in .38 Special is usually a cheaper, smaller and lighter alternative. You don't have to cycle a slide to put the weapon into battery which can be a physically demanding challenge for many women.

37 posted on 04/19/2009 2:38:08 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Owl_Eagle; Blood of Tyrants
Folks around here don’t care much for guns. That’s what I’ve noticed.
Well they used to but they seem to all have lost their guns in mysterious boating accidents ...
I used to have both a Glock 17 and an SA XD9 Subcompact .40 - they (used to be) still 2lbs on your hip and the little lady really didn't like hugging both of us ... its been a while but there are smaller guns out there - just the stopping power argument. I've decided for my next purchase - even though I'll probably lose it on my next canoe outing to get a lighter piece. I figure if you're shooting back they won't be saying "Oh that's only a .32!"
38 posted on 04/19/2009 2:39:17 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Best gun for your price point. Can shoot a gnat off a fly's ass at 15yds.

9x18 Makarov


39 posted on 04/19/2009 2:40:45 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: oldenuff2no; Blood of Tyrants

Good advice. Pay attention! ;-)


40 posted on 04/19/2009 2:45:52 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Spktyr

That’s right and prolly what I’d do too, but can’t really
say unless it was my last round so just sayin’ the other
thought is it’s an option with a DA (or SA) with a hammer.


41 posted on 04/19/2009 2:45:57 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Heil myself!" Chairman Zero)
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To: tumblindice

Well, the XD has a restrike capability, you just have to pull the slide back 1/3rd of the way. That’s got to be easier than trying to fat-finger a hammer.


42 posted on 04/19/2009 2:51:54 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I certainly concur on the XD. I bought an XD45 after vowing never to own another semi-automatic pistol. I owned two model 1911A .45's, one a Colt Gold Cup. They were both tricky about feeding ammo and prone to jam.

The Springfield Armory XD45 will feed and fire any kind of round I put in it. It is a flawless piece of equipment, has the full-length grip and 4-inch barrel, fits my smaller hand, aims beautifully, hits my intended target and is a pleasure to shoot.

I can bet my life on the XD45, with confidence.

43 posted on 04/19/2009 2:52:25 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Kel Tec PF-9 and I go almost everywhere together.

44 posted on 04/19/2009 2:52:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (American voters can fix this world if they would just wake up.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have a Taurus PT 92 that works great. PT 92 fans will tell you that the Baretta is better for less than $100 more but can’t say that I am unhappy with my gun. I would recommend that you get your wife a revolver though unless she is experienced at handling guns. Semis are prone to jamming if you arenlt experienced, and they are also more likely to cause an accident.


45 posted on 04/19/2009 2:54:25 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: VeniVidiVici
If you are going to shoot 9x18 Makarov,
You might as well carry 13 rounds.

a CZ mdl-82Image


46 posted on 04/19/2009 2:57:56 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Spktyr

DA pull on the CZs aren’t bad at all: I’ve got the .45 too—they’re a lot better than the trigger on my new S&W `Smegma’, I mean, Sigma in .40.
But I can rack the slide on the P0-1 easily, & I open `impossible’ pickle jars with three fingers, as a party trick .... ;^)
Oh, I almost forgot: they all disappeared in a flash flood.
I have no guns.


47 posted on 04/19/2009 3:01:53 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I just bought a bunch of .40 cal brass and some 180 CMJ bullets. Anyone know how many grains of powder I could need to reload these?


48 posted on 04/19/2009 3:03:05 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: tumblindice

P0-1=P-01


49 posted on 04/19/2009 3:03:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (how do ya say `sorry' in Czech?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Berretta 9000s. Very light, 10 rounds, very small, dead-on balls accurate.


50 posted on 04/19/2009 3:10:01 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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