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manc

Posted on 04/20/2009 2:18:10 PM PDT by manc

I received a form today from the school board of St Johns county FL asking me many questions regarding my kids. One of the questions which I am wondering about is when they ask what the race of my kids are. Do I have to answer this by law or can I leave it blank?

To me I see no bearing what the color of my kids are and anyway arn't we supposed to be color blind like MLK wanted.

There are other questions which struck me weird , questions like have I ever gone across as state line or county line or look for work as a fisherman, farmer or in dairy. What his nickname is and what language is their primary and secondary.

Now my oldest was told who is in 5th grade that he has to bring it back to morrow and if he doesn't he receives detention and will do for every day the form is not returned.

This just strikes me as a little draconian that my kids get punished because they never brought the form back that next day and the question about race I thought was not important.

Appreciate any answers on this please


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1 posted on 04/20/2009 2:18:11 PM PDT by manc
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To: manc

Check “black.”

It may keep them out of the camps.


2 posted on 04/20/2009 2:19:45 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: manc
They want to know about race because different races get them different degrees of federal and state funding.
Is it intrusive? Yes.
3 posted on 04/20/2009 2:20:01 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: manc

Is one category “Native American”? I saw a post from a FReeper who said we should all choose this if we’re asked. We were born here and are Americans, so that makes it native American by any logical reading of the word definitions. Let the bureaucrats deal with the demographics.


4 posted on 04/20/2009 2:20:43 PM PDT by chimera
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To: MeanWestTexan

I also do this, mark Native American, or Hispanic...I like doing this to any survey,...just to keep things stirred.


5 posted on 04/20/2009 2:20:49 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: manc

I don’t know what the law is but I would write NOYB ,sign it and return it back.


6 posted on 04/20/2009 2:20:59 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Just another Joe

Yep. Race is sometimes medically important. (Black men really are more susceptible to heart disease, and they should know that, for example.) But I don’t see why it should matter to a school.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 2:21:08 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: manc

I would suggest filling either “NASCAR”, “IRL”, or “Formula 1”...


8 posted on 04/20/2009 2:21:44 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emporer has no pedigree.)
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To: Just another Joe

I got all that crap in school.

Big honking Jewish guy, mind you.

I filled out “Eskimo” and all sorts of random crap. Just pissed me off.


9 posted on 04/20/2009 2:22:08 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: manc

“have I ever gone across as state line or county line or look for work as a fisherman, farmer or in dairy”

Never heard tell of those.

Don’t know their legality, either, as they don’t pertain to a ‘protected’ class such as race.


10 posted on 04/20/2009 2:22:30 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: chimera

Ah, they’ve caught on to that. They ask what tribal affiliation.

I’d put “Casino Royale de Duty Free” or somesuch.


11 posted on 04/20/2009 2:23:47 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: manc

Post the exact questions. Let’s see what we can come up with.


12 posted on 04/20/2009 2:24:35 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: combat_boots
Don’t know their legality, either, as they don’t pertain to a ‘protected’ class such as race.

Of course they do. It's called the "migrant worker" class. In other words, illegals most likely.

13 posted on 04/20/2009 2:25:00 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: manc
The end of the school year is upon us, and a letter from school comes home asking about my kids?

Weren't you paying attention all year?

Just mark ...

PRESENT

(They may become president some day)

14 posted on 04/20/2009 2:25:11 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: manc

I’d write in “HUMAN” and be done with it.

Schools send out these forms because they receive extra funding based on how many minority students they have, whether student’s parents are fishermen, and any number of other silly things. Schools are always very eager to get these filled out and returned quickly because they want the extra funding. I’ve never seen them go so far as to punish students over it though.


15 posted on 04/20/2009 2:25:39 PM PDT by SelfishCapitalist
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To: manc

What race?
Try HUMAN.


16 posted on 04/20/2009 2:26:07 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: manc
What is your child's race? The 100 Meter Dash What is your child's nickname? Santa What is your child's primary language? The one he was born with. What is your child's secondary language? The one that he doesn't use all the time. Do you work for the Government or are in the Military? You first. Answer the questions. You don't have to make sense, only answer. They cannot change anything. THey are using these forms to get more Federal $ and I'd do everything to keep them from it.They need to wean themselves from it.

They used to do this to my kids and I ALWAYS did this

17 posted on 04/20/2009 2:26:52 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MeanWestTexan
Heck - my mind still hasn't comprehended your Jewish kinfolk living in a trailer park.

Just can't :^)

18 posted on 04/20/2009 2:27:08 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: manc

I’d go to the school administration and ask them to cite the legal requirement for you to answer such questions, and also their legal justification to place your child in detention for not returning the form.

If they can’t produce it, I would make it clear that any repercussions in how they treat your child will be challanged. You don’t have to say “law suit”....just leave it at “challanged”. There are organizations that will sue on your behalf if it comes to that.

If we don’t start ‘questioning authority’, they will just continue to grab more without batting an eyelash.


19 posted on 04/20/2009 2:27:11 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: manc

The last time I saw one of those I did not fill it out but wrote on the form: “Why are you folks so obsessed with race?”


20 posted on 04/20/2009 2:28:47 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: chimera

I always answer “Celtic”.


21 posted on 04/20/2009 2:29:04 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Hey...you got something against the Kentucky Derby or The Belmont?


22 posted on 04/20/2009 2:30:19 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: raybbr

Hadn’t thought of that.


23 posted on 04/20/2009 2:31:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, guns and babies--Veterans, Constitution and legal immigration. The true Americans.)
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To: investigateworld

Shocking, but, yes, there are poor Jewish people.

Typically, we share some of our hoards of silver to keep them from embarrasing us, but you can’t help everyone.


24 posted on 04/20/2009 2:32:20 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

here is the exact question

ethnicity check
Hispanic/Latino
non Hispanic/Latino
native Hawaiian or other pacific islander
Asian
American indian.alaska/native
white
black/African American

for multiracial please check all that apply

I’m thinking of doing the last one as my father was form southern Italy, my mother from England and I came American two years ago legally I might add.

My youngest looks more like southern Italian and my other two look more like , well what they call just typical whitey.

A letter will be going with them as well saying that no way should my children have detention because I have no handed in all the info you want.


25 posted on 04/20/2009 2:32:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Gaffer

What is your child’s race? The 100 Meter Dash

LOL.


26 posted on 04/20/2009 2:33:00 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: Pharmboy

Nothing against those, you understand, I just wouldn’t want the school officials to think we were horsing around with them.


27 posted on 04/20/2009 2:33:08 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emporer has no pedigree.)
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To: manc

There’s no “other” with a blank?

If not, I would check them all, as we all descend from Adam and Eve, and are thus of all races at once.


28 posted on 04/20/2009 2:35:44 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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 Race? Daytona 500

Have you ever gone across state line or county line or look for work as a fisherman, farmer or in dairy? Yes, but it didn't work out, Cows suck at bass fishing and I couldn't get them to fit in the tractors to farm. Maybe next time I'll try to do each one separately instead of all three at once.

29 posted on 04/20/2009 2:39:58 PM PDT by txroadkill (Tax Day Tea Parties 4/15/09 - - The day we won one for the Gipper.)
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To: HardStarboard

was thinking of doing that, the superintendent has been sending letters home for the last few months wanting parents to get in touch with their local reps for more money.

course he has been harping on about wanting taxes raised etc

so when he had a parents meeting I was listening to this and heard him say about how tax should be raised even though in this county/state we have just voted to lower property taxes

Anyway I got to ask a question and said this

excuse you keep saying that we are heavily underfunded but there is not much money elsewhere anyway and plus we do not want our taxes raised..
course I hear sighs from the crowd etc

I ignored them and preceded to say that the teachers union spent over a hundred million $’s getting their people elected so could you ask them for some money for our schools?
I mean after all they want the best for the kids right
ARF

His jaw dropped and then I went on about how this school is actually doing well, it has nice computers etc and why are us the tax payer paying for your cell phone and bills

after the meeting I got a load of parents coming up to me praising me for that info as they has only heard this superintendents side of things


30 posted on 04/20/2009 2:40:13 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: MeanWestTexan

no there is no option for other otherwise I would have done that but I see no reason for them wanting color as MLK said we should be a color blind country

funny how these liberals forget that speech


31 posted on 04/20/2009 2:41:25 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

Your son was tasked with bringing the form to you, and having it signed and returning it to the teacher. He is not responsible for what YOU wrote, he is only responsible for the transfer of the media. I see no reason to punish him for this. You may want to indicate that your son prompty turned the form to you, you filled it out, and he bears no responsibility for the contents therein.

So, answer the questions any way that makes you happy. Or, simply sign this and write that you are not legally required to identify, therefore you refuse to self-identify. Sign and date it, and have your son turn it in. you may want to indicate that should your refusal to self-identify be used to punish or intimidate your son, reprecussions will be swift and harsh. Leave it at that, simply state that this matter is not legally required, and that you reserve the right to refuse to cooperate.

Teachers are ill-equipped to handle people who are not sheep - so expect some feedback from a person who has been deligated authority over children.


32 posted on 04/20/2009 2:42:38 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: manc

I always check “other” and then write in “human”.

But I think that now I plan to be bolder and start putting “black” or “native american”.


33 posted on 04/20/2009 2:46:33 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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Here in California I would say, “Show me the code.” In other words, show me the part of the California education code that gives them the right to ask these sorts of questions.


34 posted on 04/20/2009 2:47:04 PM PDT by Excellence (What Madoff is to finance Gore is to global warming.)
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To: manc

Then just put “I refuse to answer racist questions” and cross out the question.


35 posted on 04/20/2009 2:48:59 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: manc
The first thing I would do is show up at the school the next morning and demand to see where the school has the right to punish your child if this form isnt returned promptly.

Reason #5348 that I am going to homeschool my kids starting this fall.
36 posted on 04/20/2009 2:49:18 PM PDT by Frogtacos (It all went to hell when we started cooking outside and crapping inside.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

:^)


37 posted on 04/20/2009 2:49:48 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: manc

If they have “Other” with a blank after it, I like to check that and write “American.”


38 posted on 04/20/2009 2:51:23 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Hodar

I plan on writing a letter that my oldest will not be punished and if they feel that they will give him detention then I want to be notified first and before it happens so I can come down to the school

It seems the law then from these answers is that it is not required by law to answer this and therefore I will not check the question

I thank all for the answers including the ones which made me laugh on this Monday dinner time

cheers freepers


39 posted on 04/20/2009 2:52:21 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: MeanWestTexan

LOL
I plan on not answering the question and if I do get a call I will be asking them why the color is important and(play the liberal handbook) I find it racist and insulting that you want to know the color of my skin as I do not see it important.
We all our humans bla bla.


40 posted on 04/20/2009 2:55:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

Tell them to be surprised. Tell them to pi$$ up a rope.


41 posted on 04/20/2009 2:56:07 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Gaffer

You answered the questions the same way I always did, just randomly. One of th questionaires my daughter had a question about mental illness in the family, my answer....the whole bunch is crazy. rofl On race I always checked the other box and filled it in... Viking.
My daughter used to hate to give me anything from the school.


42 posted on 04/20/2009 3:02:56 PM PDT by sheana
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My daughter used to hate to give me anything from the school.

My kids would really dread bringing these home. I don't think their teachers thought very nicely of me and they hated it. They laugh at it now, though.

43 posted on 04/20/2009 3:05:22 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: manc

Mark “Other” and write in Nordic American.


44 posted on 04/20/2009 3:09:19 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: manc

Texan.


45 posted on 04/20/2009 3:09:30 PM PDT by SouthTexas (When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people.....)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Well, if you listen to ‘Cartman’ on TV’s South Park, you Jews got ‘Jew Gold’ in little bags around your necks!....just kidding....this was without a doubt one of the funniest SPs they did (the one where they ran a powerboat into a beaver dam and flooded a neighboring town -—— the news people 20 miles outside of town were reporting ‘millions of deaths’ (not actually having seen anyting - Katrina)......


46 posted on 04/20/2009 3:09:56 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: manc

I answer every question pertaining to race on government forms with “human”

If they don’t like it they can stuff it. I tell my kids to put the same thing. Never had a problem yet.


47 posted on 04/20/2009 3:10:41 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Diversity causes division and resentment.)
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To: manc

I was taught in an industry seminar about interviewing not to ask a question unless the answer would be used in the decision to hire. The point was to avoid “illegal” questions by keeping this rule in mind. I would look at this and conclude that they intend to use this information for some purpose (that I might not agree with).

In most cases, answering such questions is entirely voluntary. After all, what can they do to you if you do not answer? They are walking a very thin line in trying to force an answer....

hh


48 posted on 04/20/2009 3:28:47 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Gotta go, millions of Obama supporters are counting on me to pay their mortgages)
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To: manc

I had to fill out a questionnaire recently at work because the government has redefined the categories. There is now an option for “Alaska native.” As a native of one of the lower 48 states, I felt discriminated against.


49 posted on 04/20/2009 3:39:01 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: manc
There is no box for "honky"?


50 posted on 04/20/2009 3:41:09 PM PDT by library user
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