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IE8 vs Firefox 3.5: The browser wars continue
Infoworld.com ^ | April 29, 2009 | J. Peter Bruzzese

Posted on 04/29/2009 9:55:14 AM PDT by CedarDave

Features in Internet Explorer and Firefox run neck and neck. Will a victor emerge? It may come down to convenience.

Every day I sit at my computer and open two browsers: Firefox and Internet Explorer (first 6, then 7 and, as of late, 8). ... Firefox opens my Yahoo and Gmail mail accounts. Internet Explorer is aimed at my banking and stock trading accounts. ...

... I made up my mind to drop Firefox altogether. [Then] Yesterday morning, I found out that Firefox released the 3.5 beta (4), and many features are the same as in IE8.

IE8 has a feature called InPrivate Browsing, which prevents IE from storing data about your browsing sessions, including cookies, temporary Internet files, history, and other data. ... Firefox 3 has Private Browsing, which provides the same functionality and does not retain visited pages, form and search bar entries, passwords, cookies, temporary or cached Internet files, and so forth.

They both offer at least one superscary privacy-invasion tool. In the case of IE8, it is called Suggested Sites, where your browsing history is sent to Microsoft to compare to related Web sites ... This feature is something that many (most) people are not pleased about. Microsoft said it will not store this information, but at the same time, Windows Help and Support information says that even items deleted from your browsing History "will be retained by Microsoft for a period of time to help improve our products and services." In Firefox, there is Location Aware Browsing (aka geolocation), where Firefox takes your IP address, information about nearby wireless access points, and a temporary cookie-like identifier and passes that off to Google ... so that searching in Google retrieves results that relate to your current location. ... That's something else I opt out of.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: browser; browserwars; firefox; internetexplorer; microsoft
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This feature is something that many (most) people are not pleased about.
No doubt.

Lengthy article comparing features. What he does not mention is whether IE-8 has the flexibility to customize the browser with individualized add-ons. If it doesn't then Firefox still has the advantage, IMO.

Microsoft sent me an update this a.m. that included IE-8. I unchecked the download for that browser and checked the box saying "don't remind me again."

1 posted on 04/29/2009 9:55:14 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: ShadowAce

For your PING list.


2 posted on 04/29/2009 9:55:58 AM PDT by CedarDave (This space for rent.)
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To: CedarDave

I will never go back to IE.


3 posted on 04/29/2009 9:56:09 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: CedarDave

I’m not a very sophisticated consumer, but I like Firefox and Thunderbird. They work for me, I can’t think of any new features I want. OK, maybe one where I could just think of what I wanted to search and the computer would do it, no typing required! ;)


4 posted on 04/29/2009 9:58:05 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: CedarDave

IE sucks.


5 posted on 04/29/2009 10:01:18 AM PDT by exist
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To: CedarDave

I tried IE 7. Didn’t like it at all. Reverted back to IE6 because it is the basis for my tabbed browser I use for FR.

And, I have several add-on tools that are no longer available for IE 7.

I also use Firefox 3 for general browsing because it has some neat add-ons.

I doubt I will even try IE 8. I tried Google Chome a few days ago and didn’t like it at all.


6 posted on 04/29/2009 10:02:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: exist

Many organizations have not gone to IE7 yet and they are pushing IE8? Is IE7 the vista of browsers? hehe


7 posted on 04/29/2009 10:03:24 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: CedarDave
Since IE7 was introduced, Firefox has been the superior browser, by far.

Some would argue that Firefox was superior to IE6 but there were features in IE6 that Ff couldn't compete with.

When IE7 was introduced, MS removed those features and now, IE8 is yet another step backward.

My current favorite feature of IE8 is its complete inability to parse XML files produced with Office 2007....I mean.....seriously? Who the hell was the moron at MS that didn't see that?

8 posted on 04/29/2009 10:04:37 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: DonaldC

ie6- is a whole other level of suckyness.


9 posted on 04/29/2009 10:05:45 AM PDT by exist
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To: CedarDave
I unchecked the download for that browser and checked the box saying "don't remind me again."

S.O.P. for IE8 updates. May a pox be on it.

10 posted on 04/29/2009 10:07:56 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for something I ain't.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I’ve used Firefox since version 2, along with Thunderbird E-mail and like them both much more than Microsoft’s offerings.

Something has been happening with Firefox that has me puzzled however. It devours memory. I launched it this morning at 0600 and it’s now reading 744 megabytes memory usage. I have to close it and relaunch several times a day as when it reaches 1 GB or more, everything else slows down.

I suspect it’s a plug in, not Firefox, but I have yet to discover which plug in it is.

Jack


11 posted on 04/29/2009 10:09:13 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

12 posted on 04/29/2009 10:09:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CedarDave

I’m using Sea Monkey, the updated version of Netscape. I don’t have a clue what it will manage or not manage, but I like it.


13 posted on 04/29/2009 10:12:50 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Maybe against IE 8 FF is the superior browser by far but you have to be kidding me that FireFox, a browser I use extensivly, being by far superior. In fact it’s the most buggiest, crash ready, memory leaking, web page mis-rendering browser I use. IE7 just happens to be slower than FF in most tasks but as far as widespread support and memory usage IE7 owns FireFox 3.0.1 and lower.


14 posted on 04/29/2009 10:13:47 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: CedarDave
Related article:

Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 now available

15 posted on 04/29/2009 10:18:45 AM PDT by CedarDave (This space for rent.)
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To: aft_lizard

I have had the crash issues you describe with IE7, although it has gotten better since its initial release.


16 posted on 04/29/2009 10:19:30 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: CedarDave

Microsoft keeps trying, but the question is still whether Firefox or Chrome is best, or Safari if you’re on a Mac.


17 posted on 04/29/2009 10:19:42 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: CedarDave

I downloaded Fire Fox about two years ago and have stuck with it ever since. IE doesn’t compare. IMO.


18 posted on 04/29/2009 10:20:31 AM PDT by Mind Freed ("Every man has the right to be a fool 5 minutes a day. Wisdom is not exceeding the limit.")
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To: CedarDave

for later


19 posted on 04/29/2009 10:21:11 AM PDT by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: JackOfVA
Something has been happening with Firefox that has me puzzled however. It devours memory.

It's always done that. Supposed to be better now, but there still are reports like yours.

20 posted on 04/29/2009 10:21:16 AM PDT by CedarDave (This space for rent.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I love how quickly Chrome opens, and how fast it renders pages. I have IE, Firefox, Safari and Chrome installed at home, but by far, Chrome is my favorite.


21 posted on 04/29/2009 10:22:00 AM PDT by Fan of Fiat
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To: JackOfVA

ping for later


22 posted on 04/29/2009 10:22:00 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed...)
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To: exist

Since installing Firefox over two years ago, I deleted ad-aware from my computer. I haven’t needed it in over two yrears.


23 posted on 04/29/2009 10:22:11 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: aft_lizard

I would disagree with FF being the problem with web page rendering.

If a site renders correctly with IE and not FF, there’s a good chance the site designer was very sloppy coding the site.

It’s very possible to code site that will render properly with IE, yet will not render correctly with FF.

However, I have yet to run across a site that renders correctly in FF, but does not render correctly in IE.


24 posted on 04/29/2009 10:23:26 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Senators and Representatives : They govern like Calvin Ball is played, making it up as they go along)
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To: JackOfVA
Something has been happening with Firefox that has me puzzled however. It devours memory

That is a problem FF engineers seem incapable of resolving. It has been a consistent problem since about version 0.07. It was monstrous under 2. Somewhat better under 3.

FF blames it on add-ons. But, add-ons aren't the problem. FF fails to release memory whenever a webpage is closed. A high-graphics or flash video or other video webpage consumes allot of memory and retains it, even after the webpage is closed.

I typically have to shut FF once or twice a day to release the memory.
25 posted on 04/29/2009 10:23:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: sionnsar

ping for later


26 posted on 04/29/2009 10:23:52 AM PDT by sionnsar ((Iran Azadi | 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | "Also sprach Telethustra" - NonValueAdded)
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To: CedarDave

I updated to Firefox 3.5b4 (the latest version is still considered a beta) a couple days ago. Don’t really notice too many differences other than the + sign on a new button to open tabs ( I usually use Ctrl-T to open new tabs and often keep from 12 to 20 tabs open at the same time). IE isn’t as easy to use with tabs and from what I have read isn’t as secure. IE 8 might be different that way. I haven’t actively used IE since IE 5. I have been using Firefox since the early days of Firefox 2. Earlier versions have crashed on me but I still love it. I now have a Mac and find that Safari is not a bad browser but it doesn’t have teh same functionality of Firefox.

I use a lot of add-ons as well. I know, with lots of tabs open and add-ons, it should slow down my browsing experience, but I don’t notice it so much.


27 posted on 04/29/2009 10:24:29 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: brytlea
OK, maybe one where I could just think of what I wanted to search and the computer would do it, no typing required!

I want the feature where I don't have to think and it does what I want.

28 posted on 04/29/2009 10:27:06 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Swordmaker

The correct pronunciation of IE is......


29 posted on 04/29/2009 10:27:52 AM PDT by wastedyears (Iron Maiden's gonna get ya, no matter how far!)
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To: aft_lizard
In fact it’s the most buggiest, crash ready, memory leaking, web page mis-rendering browser I use.

Personally I love Firefox, it's stable as can be for me, doesn't exhibit memory leaks, and works just great, much faster than IE7. That said, it doesnt work at all on my wife's computer. It blocks the CPU for several seconds periodically. Just locks up the whole PC, runs at 100% CPU for no good reason. I've run it with no plug-ins, tried every fix I could find by searing for "firefox 100% cpu" and still it does it. So she cannot use it. So it works perfectly on my laptop, not at all on her PC. Perhaps you have an issue similar to hers, whatever it is.

30 posted on 04/29/2009 10:27:57 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
or Safari if you’re on a Mac.

Or on a PC.

(Personally, I'm more a FF fan.)

31 posted on 04/29/2009 10:28:34 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: CedarDave

I just want my IE6 to work again! IE7 stinks and Firefox isn’t much better.


32 posted on 04/29/2009 10:37:43 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: DonaldC

OK I should say that IE does crash or lock up occasionally as well for me however FireFox does it at twice the rate IMO. I really want FireFox to succeed but IMO most of the oohing and awwing over it is not founded in reality, it allows malware through just the same as IE, it’s buggy or buggier than IE, the few websites I use show worse rendering in FF. I use FF the most because I can do more with it with plug ins than I can with IE and that is the only reason why it stays as my primary browser.


33 posted on 04/29/2009 10:40:40 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: exist
ie6- is a whole other level of suckyness.

Try coding for it. I have to use separate styles that are browser specific. Why o why can't IE just conform to the W3C standards? One day padding:5px; width:300px will render exactly the same thing in IE and FF.

34 posted on 04/29/2009 10:50:38 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: martin_fierro

Duh, keep forgetting Safari is on PC. I haven’t installed it on my PC. I still mostly use Firefox on the Mac, although there are a few sites that Safari will render better.


35 posted on 04/29/2009 10:52:56 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mind Freed
I downloaded Fire Fox about two years ago and have stuck with it ever since. IE doesn’t compare. IMO.

I agree.

I've been using Firefox since version 2 and would never go back to the hassels of using any form of IE on my personal computer. I've tried IE 6 and 7 just for the heck of it and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

36 posted on 04/29/2009 10:54:10 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: aft_lizard

I’ve never had any of those problems with Ff. The worst I’ve seen is slow load times on XP because Ff doesn’t “TSR” like IEx. Vista and Win 7 don’t have that problem because of Super Fetch.


37 posted on 04/29/2009 10:55:36 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: CedarDave
I've been having trouble getting Zone Alarm's new ForceField feature to work with their Extreme suite. Now I see that IE8 (which I downloaded last night) contains much of the ZA ForceField features.

-PJ

38 posted on 04/29/2009 11:05:51 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: TomGuy; JackOfVA

You might also want to try clearing cache.


39 posted on 04/29/2009 12:08:08 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

Clearing cache does not seem to do much. As an experiment, I cleared the cache using the Tools | Clear Private Data | Cache box is the only item checked and Task Manager showed memory went from 255 MB up to 260 MB after clearing.

It’s now at 262 MB after composing this message. In fact, if I stop typing and watch the memory usage, it climbs at a rate of 1 MB a minute.

Jack


40 posted on 04/29/2009 12:17:08 PM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: CedarDave

if (browser supports Adblock Plus)
...consider trying it
else
...ignore
41 posted on 04/29/2009 12:23:56 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: JackOfVA

My system reports FF using 199m. I have two browser windows open, and a total of about 30 tabs. But no change in memory usage on it’s own. Now I have noticed that when I open up other windows and then close them down, they do not return memory, but no creep on its own as mentioned. Now that might be the difference between running in windows vs Linux. I’m running in the latter.


42 posted on 04/29/2009 12:49:58 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

I ran an experiment ...

Close FF and reopen at 3:38 PM. Memory 89 MB.

I left FF untouched, and on a page that is static without automatic updates.

Here’s what I found:

Time Memory
3:38 89 MB
3:47 105 MB
4:08 166 MB
4:50 223 MB
5:25 271 MB

During this entire time, Firefox was on the same page, one tab open, no new pages launched, no changes on the page being viewed, etc. For most of the time, the computer was idle. I would think that the memory usage should not have changed during this time, let alone triple.

Jack


43 posted on 04/29/2009 3:26:23 PM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: CedarDave

Forgetting about the biased MS bashing, what browser is best in terms of speed & stability on an XP platform? Safari?


44 posted on 04/29/2009 3:44:51 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: newfreep
Pick your poison:

browser speed comparison

Mozilla Delivers Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 with Major Speed Boost

45 posted on 04/29/2009 4:04:04 PM PDT by CedarDave (Not new news: Obama has Pork Flu)
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To: CedarDave

I love my Firefox especially the new personas that can customize the basic browser with images to match your mood.


46 posted on 04/29/2009 4:07:41 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: CedarDave

off topic, exucse me.

i have firefox updated.

tonight i went into yahoo.com to drudge.com

and i got this in my top address bar:

>http://raycleveland.org/<

i copied it and inserted it into a new window and drudge comes up.

what is this?

thanks,
ken


47 posted on 04/29/2009 5:41:30 PM PDT by ken21 (the only thing we have to fear is fdr deja vu.)
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To: ken21

Have no idea, but sounds like a redirection but why don’t know.


48 posted on 04/29/2009 6:16:38 PM PDT by CedarDave (Not new news: Obama has Pork Flu)
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To: wastedyears
The correct pronunciation of IE is......

AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!


49 posted on 04/29/2009 8:57:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: CedarDave
Well, after several update notices from MS, I downloaded IE8 last night. No problems and IE8 is noticeably faster than IE7. Screens appear more clear and easier to read.

I noticed FR has solid bars between postings - do y'all have same format?

50 posted on 04/30/2009 4:23:13 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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