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Journalist from Playboy Bet He Could Withstand 15 Seconds Of Waterboarding By A Trained US Soldier
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Posted on 05/02/2009 12:25:59 PM PDT by Perdogg

Journalist from Playboy Bet He Could Withstand 15 Seconds Of Waterboarding By A Trained US Soldier

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1 posted on 05/02/2009 12:25:59 PM PDT by Perdogg
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ping


2 posted on 05/02/2009 12:27:12 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: Perdogg

Playboy? LOL! Sinking down the tubes. Another death watch publication. Their switch to video may not save them. Hefner is a pimp who exploits women.


3 posted on 05/02/2009 12:29:25 PM PDT by Frantzie ("Remember when Bush was President & Americans had jobs?")
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To: Frantzie

what did you think about the video itself?


4 posted on 05/02/2009 12:30:23 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: Perdogg

I did not watch it. Is it worth it? Hugh Hefner should be waterboarded in is slippers and bath robe. LOL!


5 posted on 05/02/2009 12:32:34 PM PDT by Frantzie ("Remember when Bush was President & Americans had jobs?")
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To: Perdogg

The enemy we’re facing is slightly more committed, fanatical, and tough than that patywaisted metrosexual journalist. And that is why the US had to elevate interrogations to that level for a whopping two mohammedan bastards.


6 posted on 05/02/2009 12:32:49 PM PDT by manapua
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To: Perdogg
All this talk about the effects of waterboarding and the accompanying videos is tiring. Perhaps the stories would be more relevant if alongside the video of the waterboarding demonstration, a video of someone's decapitation with a dull, ceremonial knife was also shown.

Then the view would have a better context on which to base his conclusions about the "cruelty" of waterboarding.

7 posted on 05/02/2009 12:34:15 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Frantzie

“journalist” and “Playboy”. Those are 2 words that’s comparable to, Oh you know..”Obama” and “intelligence”.


9 posted on 05/02/2009 12:37:13 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Perdogg

Set the Playboy Tower in Chicago on fire and let the foppish dandy jump from the top.

In this way the sheltered SoftBoy can more adequately compare levels of “cruelty”


10 posted on 05/02/2009 12:37:25 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Perdogg

That was pretty cool. Even going into it, surrounded by people he knows in a secure setting, that little trick just pushes the right buttons. neat.


11 posted on 05/02/2009 12:37:58 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather bed. -Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

1. It didn’t look like torture.
2. It’s hard to believe he could only withstand 5 seconds of it (but I’m not getting in line and laying down my money to be next.) I’m just shocked that that’s all it took.


12 posted on 05/02/2009 12:38:01 PM PDT by Gil4
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To: Frantzie

You overestimate him by a large margin.


13 posted on 05/02/2009 12:38:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Big_Monkey
I thought it was interesting because I always wanted to know how it was done. It didn't seem to very complicated. I heard stories that in Vietnam the US soldiers would waterboard vietcong with their canteens and cellophane. I don't consider this to be torture.
14 posted on 05/02/2009 12:38:36 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: Big_Monkey

Actually, I think it might be GOOD to see so many folks offering themselves up for ‘waterboarding’. It will certainly diminish its reputation as ‘torture’, in the public mind, if regular folks see that there are people willing to volunteer to have it done to themselves.


15 posted on 05/02/2009 12:39:26 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Perdogg
Anyone that can hold their breath can withstand waterboarding for 15 seconds. Its needing that next breath that gives you anxiety.
16 posted on 05/02/2009 12:43:36 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for posting this. I think more people actually seeing the procedure will help gain some reality on the subject.


17 posted on 05/02/2009 12:44:07 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Perdogg

A lot of people can hold their breath underwater for 15 seconds.

It’s the last 15 seconds without air that’s the most significant.


18 posted on 05/02/2009 12:46:35 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: manapua
KSM lasted 17 seconds and spilled his guts about everything to the interrogators. 17 seconds for a man committed to dying for his cause
19 posted on 05/02/2009 12:50:08 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Perdogg
"I thought it was interesting because I always wanted to know how it was done.

Please don't misunderstand. I wasn't criticizing you for posting the thread, I just wish that these "journalist" would put waterboarding in some context or perspective.

We have been waterboarding close to 500 of our own troops and aviators annually for dozens of years during SERE training. To classify anything that can be done during a training evolution as torture is ridiculous on it's face. We also gas new recruits, is that torture? And sometimes, we run soldiers and marines in full-combat gear until many throw up, pass out or lose control of their bodily functions. I suppose the NYT's would also define this as torture.

20 posted on 05/02/2009 12:50:36 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for posting that. Have already posted it to a couple of different boards to show people exactly what waterboarding is.


21 posted on 05/02/2009 12:51:30 PM PDT by Joiseydude (Kate Smith - God Bless America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCavKL2zdjM GREAT visual interpretatio)
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To: SampleMan
Post 18 counters your point. The CO2 builds up at the bottom of the lungs by being held in that orientation, and it seems the autonomic nervous system kicks in.

Actually, while I see value in the "makes you scared and your heart beat fast" conclusions people make to show this isn't torture, I don't like the actual techniques getting publicized.

22 posted on 05/02/2009 12:52:19 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Perdogg

And for those moral relativists who say that we convicted Japanese soldiers for waterboarding, there is one important distinction.

They waterboarded strictly for punishment and for their own kicks, whereas we waterboarded to extract information that would save lives.

It’s the same as the difference between murder and justifiable homicide.


23 posted on 05/02/2009 12:52:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: SampleMan
Have you been waterboarded? I bet you a $1,000 per second you cannot last 15. BTW I have been, I made 9 seconds and I could (at the time) hold my breath for a long time. You are overlooking the mechanics of what is going on.
24 posted on 05/02/2009 12:52:39 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Big_Monkey
Excellent points.
25 posted on 05/02/2009 12:53:32 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Cvengr

the brilliance of water boarding is that it takes physiology into account along with the psychological fear of drowning. Being under water with head up is not the same as lying down with head below feet having a cloth over your head with water being poured on your face. Once water gets into your nose, the physiological response comes in to breathe. When you can’t the psychological fear of drowning kicks in and bammo, you have someone who wants the boarding to stop immediately.

When Christopher Hitchens had it done to him, he was so frozen with panic he couldn’t drop the weight to alert he wanted it to stop.


26 posted on 05/02/2009 12:54:25 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yes I have.


27 posted on 05/02/2009 12:54:37 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Perdogg
Nice video showing that waterboarding isn't torture. Who's afraid of water? It's psychological not physical. Not much required to do it. If this is torture so are Liberal ideas. Liberals are psychologically challenged aka insane.
28 posted on 05/02/2009 12:58:20 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: Gil4

I think it’s simply a reflex, and most of the commentary and explanation in the video was rather fanciful. You have to watch out for this when you snorkel. Normally you’re in the prone position, so no problem, but if you try turning on you back, you can get “water up your nose”, which induces a feeling of panic.

I agree it doesn’t look like much when you watch it.


29 posted on 05/02/2009 1:20:41 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Perdogg

The Chopper elevator was the most effective when there were ‘two’ detainees -—— first one gets an express elevator ride to the dirt (minus the benefit of elevator), the second knows he’s next.


30 posted on 05/02/2009 1:33:12 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: VRWC For Truth

“Torture” is having to listen to Hillary Clinton speak.


31 posted on 05/02/2009 1:35:11 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Big_Monkey

And that’s before breakfast!


32 posted on 05/02/2009 2:57:25 PM PDT by ex91B10
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To: Perdogg
Ok watch that then factor in the guy's got a nuk in mid town Manhattan ....and you need to stop it...

Or lib's it a Klansman with a bomb about to go off in a black church sunday school full of kids

33 posted on 05/02/2009 3:17:50 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: Gaffer
I also liked the 45 to the knee cap. Very effective. I understand battery powered tools have opened up lots of new routes in information extraction.
34 posted on 05/02/2009 3:59:59 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Perdogg; Ernest_at_the_Beach

He’s probably figuring it’s a lot like “marine biology” at the one of the mansion whirlpool parties.


35 posted on 05/02/2009 4:47:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have always wanted to visit the grotto before I die. ;)


36 posted on 05/02/2009 4:49:00 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Once water gets into your nose, the physiological response comes in to breathe.

I have chronic sinusitis and have been forced to breath through my mouth for most of my life due to congestion. I stumbled upon a technique used by Yoga's as a "cleansing ritual". They use a small pot, much like you'd use to water house plants, and pass a warm isotonic salt solution through one nostril and out the other. You do this while breathing through your mouth. After you've flushed about a half pint through you change sides and flush the other side. There is also a similar technique for further cleansing where the flow through the nose is allowed to pass to your throat.

Millions of people do this as a twice a day routine. I imagine they scratch their heads in wonder as to what's so tough about water in your nose? It works wonderfully well to de-gunk the all eight sinus cavities. My allergist (a Siek) told me it was a very effective way to reduce congestion without taking antihistamines, after I had inquired about the practice. I have been doing this for several years now and breath freely through my nose.

Regards,
GtG

37 posted on 05/02/2009 5:00:19 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I have the same problem, except water get trapped in my ear when I do it because I have scars from tubes.


38 posted on 05/02/2009 5:07:08 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: max americana
”Obama” and “intelligence”.

ROFL

39 posted on 05/02/2009 5:12:13 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Yes, I know of it and use a similar device attached to a water pik with non iodized salt to cleanse my sinuses. Difference is that you have your head at such an angle where water is able to pass through one nostril and out the other. Water boarding doesn’t allow for that and the rush of water is much more than what you are doing. If you don’t believe me, have someone try water boarding you! :P


40 posted on 05/02/2009 6:34:57 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

They had an episode of Six Feet Under where the Mother’s boyfriend gave one of those to one of her sons.


41 posted on 05/02/2009 6:41:25 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Hitler used a TelePrompter, we would all be speaking German...)
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To: Perdogg

Thanks for posting. I had no idea what waterboarding was actually like.


42 posted on 05/02/2009 8:28:50 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Water boarding doesn’t allow for that and the rush of water is much more than what you are doing.

Maybe so but I'm not at all convinced. I once made the mistake of going down a water park "giant slide" head first (not a real good idea!) and landed in about three feet of water at the bottom going about thirty miles per hour. Scared the H out of all the kids and darned near drowned myself. I got a cold water douche up my nose that made my eyes pop, I was laughing so hard I couldn't catch my breath. So yeah, water up your nose isn't the most pleasant experience, but it isn't fatal either.

Another point about the CO2 build up in the "bottom" of your lungs being a factor. CO2 is heavier then air, your feet are above your head level, why would it settle to the bottom (which is really higher then the "top")? That's not to say that it's not a factor but that chatter about "settling to the bottom" sounds bogus to me. The buildup of CO2 will definitely trigger and urge to breath but I fail to see what water up your nose does except clean your sinus cavities.

Remember we all start out as sea creatures and spend the first nine months of our lives immersed in an isotonic salt solution, it can't be all that terrifying.

Regards,
GtG

43 posted on 05/02/2009 8:53:48 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

The thing about waterboarding is that a terrorist insurgent can be waterboarded in the morning and in the afternoon take his position as shortstop for the terrorist intramural softball team. It’s not torture, but it is effective.


44 posted on 05/02/2009 9:01:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Very true.


45 posted on 05/03/2009 6:41:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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