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Low-cost process produces natural gas from algae
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory ^ | May 6th, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 05/07/2009 5:06:07 PM PDT by decimon

The method, called catalytic hydrothermal gasification, creates natural gas out of algae - more quickly, more efficiently and at higher yields than other biofuel processes. Genifuel expects the process also requires less capital investment. The license agreement moves this technology for renewable energy production a step closer to commercial reality. Battelle operates PNNL for DOE.

"Algae and other aquatic biomass hold significant promise for our country's ability to produce renewable energy domestically," said Genifuel President Jim Oyler. "At Genifuel we have developed efficient growth and harvesting techniques for the aquatic biomass. With this gasification process, we can convert the biomass to a clean fuel that is almost completely carbon-neutral."

(Excerpt) Read more at physorg.com ...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: algae; naturalgas; opec
Not sure if this is a new one.
1 posted on 05/07/2009 5:06:07 PM PDT by decimon
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To: thackney

Slime gas ping.


2 posted on 05/07/2009 5:08:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

“That doesn’t cost enough money. Cover it up.”

-Probably what 0bama is saying about his green policies.


3 posted on 05/07/2009 5:11:16 PM PDT by I Hate Obama (Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made- Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: decimon

If it’s privately funded and means we buy less from the people who hate us, I’m for it.


4 posted on 05/07/2009 5:12:18 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: decimon

You know, they also say if you drill a hole in the ground you can find VAST pressurized pockets of it trapped it the strata. Oh well, it’s prob just another urban legend,,,


5 posted on 05/07/2009 5:12:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: decimon
I have drove machines run by propane, but, has anyone here drove a car or truck with it ? .. how safe is it ? more / less safe than a gasoline vehicle ?
6 posted on 05/07/2009 5:13:01 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: americanophile
If it’s privately funded and means we buy less from the people who hate us, I’m for it.

I'll drink to that.

7 posted on 05/07/2009 5:15:21 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

It’s GREAT!! Think of a Crown Victoria, with the fuel tank taking up most of the trunk. Having a little less than spectacular acceleration, and with 90 or 100 miles range in the city!!


8 posted on 05/07/2009 5:15:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
"has anyone here drove a car or truck with it"

A long time ago, in Canada. Ran fine.

9 posted on 05/07/2009 5:16:10 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Paladin2

Add GTL process to this and you’d have a very clean diesel type fuel.


10 posted on 05/07/2009 5:18:02 PM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: DesertRhino
"Having a little less than spectacular acceleration"

I believe that I had a boss once who had a propane powered drag car. Propane has a high octane rating and the engine can be built with a high compression ratio. Turbo or supercharging shouldx get you reasonable performance.

11 posted on 05/07/2009 5:18:17 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I have drove machines run by propane, but, has anyone here drove a car or truck with it ? .. how safe is it ? more / less safe than a gasoline vehicle ?

Propane gives a bigger "blowed up real good" than natural gas so I'd guess it's less safe than gasoline in a motor vehicle.

12 posted on 05/07/2009 5:18:20 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Paladin2
A long time ago, in Canada. Ran fine.

Propane?

13 posted on 05/07/2009 5:19:48 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

What it’s actually super good, at is firing power plants to generate electricity, and for light industrial and home use. It’s clean, and we have more than we can use domestically.

Unfortunately the AlGore crowd hates it too.


14 posted on 05/07/2009 5:20:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: decimon

Ford used to sell propane cars in Canada. They had pumps at the gas stations.


15 posted on 05/07/2009 5:23:55 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: decimon
" so I'd guess it's less safe than gasoline in a motor vehicle. "
Naaaa .... I don't want to be stuck in a Pinto car....
How soon is it going to be when GM will start selling those Flintstone cars that you push with your feet that the Greenies want us to drive ? after all ? isn't that the direction that they want us to go ? to turn us back into the stone age ?
16 posted on 05/07/2009 5:24:19 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: decimon

http://www.autogaspropane.com/why_propane_auto.htm


17 posted on 05/07/2009 5:25:13 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Sure, my dad had his 1982 Dodge truck converted to run on propane. He had duel 18 gal. gas tanks that came with the truck and a sixty gal. propane tank in the bed. He pulled a house trailer with it. Flip a couple of switches on the dash and you could run on either propane or gas. I sold the truck last year and it was still running good - gas or propane!


18 posted on 05/07/2009 5:27:21 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: decimon
Propane gives a bigger "blowed up real good" than natural gas so I'd guess it's less safe than gasoline in a motor vehicle.

There are a lot of propane vehicles on the road right now.

It doesn't get as much power or mileage, the price is a little lower, so it costs about the same per mile as gasoline.

19 posted on 05/07/2009 5:27:40 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Paladin2

Oh sure, i don’t doubt that. You can build super engines on everything. But we are talking about converting existing passenger engines into running on it. Thats not so good. And dragsters only go 1/4 mile. CNG cars have extremely short range.

Our city bought them for the police in some PC grant program. Within a year they were being used by cops that worked inside schools all day and didnt need any range, and other assorted city workers that didnt drive much except maybe one short trip a day.


20 posted on 05/07/2009 5:27:44 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: decimon
"so I'd guess it's less safe than gasoline in a motor vehicle. "

Gasoline is actually quite dangerous. Difficult to contain and heavier than air. For safety, I'd go with Diesel.

21 posted on 05/07/2009 5:29:26 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Naaaa .... I don't want to be stuck in a Pinto car....

In a Pinto you'd burn to death. From what I've read of propane explosions, you'd never know it happened.

However, from Paladin2's posts, it looks like propane has been used safely in motor vehicles. Fine with me it it works.

22 posted on 05/07/2009 5:30:14 PM PDT by decimon
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To: DesertRhino
"with 90 or 100 miles range in the city!!"

Yeah, and that's about it, mostly city driving....
I'll stick with a Rickshaw
23 posted on 05/07/2009 5:30:25 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: DesertRhino

LPG is better than NG for energy density. Some cars were gas/LPG bi-fuel.


24 posted on 05/07/2009 5:30:44 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: decimon

I have a question about this story. It says, “efficiently,” but what does that mean? Does that mean it produces natural gas as cheaply as a conventional gas well? What is the cost of this fuel? I agree that every drop of fuel we don’t buy from people who want to kill us is a good thing.


25 posted on 05/07/2009 5:30:52 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Dan(9698)
There are a lot of propane vehicles on the road right now.

Didn't know that. Didn't know there is that much propane.

26 posted on 05/07/2009 5:32:17 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Paladin2

Yeah, except when a gasoline leak occurs at a wreck, it dribbles out like water usually. Compressed gas will instantly become a high pressure leak of a gas, not a liquid.

None are THAT safe, but CNG scares a fireman more than a car with gasoline.


27 posted on 05/07/2009 5:32:34 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Paladin2

Thats kinda how i heard it too. Lots of farmers around with Porpane powered pickups. Cant say ive heard that about CNG so often.


28 posted on 05/07/2009 5:34:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Paladin2
Ok,,,, now if any one can have me sold on the safety, and if I had the money, I would do a flex fuel... but, the biggest problem for most people is ? they don't have the money ....
Will the government help folks convert their gasoline cars to it ? or ? are we on our own ? ....... that's why gasoline will be around for a good while longer.
29 posted on 05/07/2009 5:37:47 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: La Lydia
I have a question about this story. It says, “efficiently,” but what does that mean? Does that mean it produces natural gas as cheaply as a conventional gas well?

Good question as it always comes back to economics. As with most of these new process announcements, there is a lack of specifics.

30 posted on 05/07/2009 5:37:55 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Red_Devil 232

Why did you sell it ? ......


31 posted on 05/07/2009 5:39:09 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: decimon
Didn't know that. Didn't know there is that much propane.

There are hundreds of tankers hauling propane all over the country.

RVs use it for heating and cooking. Some as a motor fuel.

You can fill up with propane at many truck stops and RV camps.

32 posted on 05/07/2009 5:41:31 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: DesertRhino

At 3000 psi, CNG is like driving around with bombs attached to your vehicle. CNG does rise rather than hang down by the ground. CNG=!LPG. Both LPG and gasoline are kinda nasty too. Ever use gasoline as a campfire starter? Stand way back.


33 posted on 05/07/2009 5:45:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I sold it because I was not driving it. At the time we had a 97 Dodge intrepid, 2003 Buick and my 2001 F-150 crew cab. And just my wife and I as drivers.

I sold it to a black guy who had had his eyes on the Dodge truck for years. My dad was reluctant to sell it even though he never drove it any more.

The black guy was a Dodge truck enthusiast. It went to a good home. I see him driving it around town all the time.

34 posted on 05/07/2009 5:49:13 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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But you don’t understand, it’s got carbon, arrrrghhhhhhh
It’s a fossil fule....arghhhhhhh. PANIC PANIC PANIC!!!!

(sarc)


35 posted on 05/07/2009 5:49:31 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Dan(9698)

Around my way, propane seems to mostly be used for water heaters and gas grills.


36 posted on 05/07/2009 5:50:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I’ll settle for heating homes in winter and natural gas fire power plants.


37 posted on 05/07/2009 5:50:18 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: decimon
Around my way, propane seems to mostly be used for water heaters and gas grills.

In western areas, it is extensively used for heating houses.

A lot more than heating oil.

38 posted on 05/07/2009 6:01:58 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I wonder if I got the motor from a Hover Vac and mount it on a big inner tube from a tractor trailer, and some how mount some solar panels ? would that work ? sort of like a Hover Craft ..... at least the greenie meanies would be happy.....


39 posted on 05/07/2009 6:05:00 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Paladin2

I have driven a propane-powered dragster...

Pretty frickin’ mean!


40 posted on 05/07/2009 6:11:12 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: decimon

It will get shot down because it’s not a food crop. No logic involved, the goobermint is fixated on diverting food crops for biofuel. Thus biofuels will remain boondoggles.

To err is human, but it takes a goobermint bureaucrat to really mess things up.


41 posted on 05/07/2009 6:18:45 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Minnesota - You all can go to hell. I'm going to Texas.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I'll stick with a Rickshaw

"Here is our solution to the energy crisis," said Abdur, with a fatuousness I thought you had to go through Yale Law School to acquire. A tricycle rickshaw is energy efficient like a Kuwaiti oil-well fire. The average food intake in Bangladesh is said by the Bangladeshi government to be 2,215 calories a day. One gallon of gasoline provides 125,000 BTUs, which is equivalent to 31,250 calories. In other words, a gallon of gasoline is a box of sugar donuts, a half-dozen twelve-ounce steaks, three six-packs of beer, a pizza, an apple pie, a twenty-piece bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken, one hundred chocolate chip cookies, a birthday cake, a quart of bourbon, and a Big Mac and fries -- which is more than a rickshaw puller gets in two weeks, if ever. And a gallon of unleaded regular costs about seventy-five cents, before taxes. Try feeding anybody for two weeks on seventy-five cents, even in Dhaka.

--P.J. O'Rourke, All The Trouble in The World

Cheers!

42 posted on 05/07/2009 6:35:50 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: decimon
"Algae and other aquatic biomass hold significant promise for our country's ability to produce renewable energy domestically,"

Not sure if this is a new one.

Oh...swamp gas.

43 posted on 05/07/2009 8:00:28 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: topher

bump


44 posted on 05/11/2009 11:23:49 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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