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"Star Trek" looks to enter new box-office galaxy
reuters ^ | may 8, 2009 | reuters

Posted on 05/08/2009 12:03:09 AM PDT by dr_lew

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Star Trek" debuts in movie theaters on Thursday backed by huge hype, but whether the film based on a 43-year-old franchise can win young fans and big box office returns has industry watchers scratching their heads.

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This is just an excuse for my vanity "review" or really a "report" on my viewing tonight of the new Star Trek film.

I went to a 10PM showing, and got there a little after nine in case there was a crowd. They did have a line set up to get into the theater, and there were people there, but I was in the first part of the line, and in fact the theater ( one of the large auditoriums at the AMC 30 ) easily held the crowd. It was a suitably nerdy bunch ( excepting myself, of course ) and was mostly young adult. I heard many comments reflecting a serious ST devotion, which I have never felt, although I have to count myself as a fan.

I had read the largely positive reviews, which noted the "time warping" and "alternative reality" aspects of the film, and these were prominent. I felt they expressed a "postmodern" message commenting on the work itself, saying that it had the liberty to change things around a little bit. Often one feels that such interpretations are forced, but to me the message was palpable in this case.

I did find the story engaging, and I really have no complaints about the treatment, which was quite creative. If it had just been a straight backward extrapolation of the lore from ST:TOS, it probably could not have held up. If I WERE to have a complaint, you know, it would probably be that it was too "busy" in this regard, but I'm willing to take what they're giving.

The real strength of the movie is the characteriztions, and in this it is truly faithful to the original, with Kirk and Spock leading the way. Spock was truly a ringer for a young version of the Nimoy character, and Kirk relied more on mannerism and voice, but he looked enough alike that I easily bought into it. The other characters followed suit, and this really held the movie together.

The direction and staging had a lot of homages to other movies, including Star Wars, Ang Lee's Hulk, and Buckaroo Banzai. The latter in the appearance and interior of the Romulan vessel.

My recommendation - loosen up and enjoy it.

1 posted on 05/08/2009 12:03:09 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Yeah, but was it super violent? the yungins love the violence..


2 posted on 05/08/2009 12:12:05 AM PDT by Fred (Proud Member of the Obama Enemies List)
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To: dr_lew

I look forward to seeing it. I will say that I have a hard time watching just about any movie these days, as they all seem to be message over content.

It used to be that you could go to the movies and forget about life’s troubles. Now your bombarded by green and global warming nonsense to the point of massive negative reaction. And those aren’t the only PC messages either.

The studios are messing with fire. Their revenues aren’t in the tank because they are doing all the right things. A lot of people are tuning out.


3 posted on 05/08/2009 12:15:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Fred

Well, almost no blood, but several brawls with heavy blows, and plenty of explosions and the like. Very restrained, I would say, compared to the explicit dismemberment and copious blood flow that we do see so often these days.


4 posted on 05/08/2009 12:18:14 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Fred

Well, almost no blood, but several brawls with heavy blows, and plenty of explosions and the like. Very restrained, I would say, compared to the explicit dismemberment and copious blood flow that we do see so often these days.


5 posted on 05/08/2009 12:19:45 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Hard to watch something that is so obscenely non-canon, especially when you’ve been a fan over 30 years.


6 posted on 05/08/2009 12:26:00 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: dr_lew
I will see what I call, Star Trek 90210 this weekend. I expect an entertaining Sci-Fi film. But it will not and never will be...Star Trek.
7 posted on 05/08/2009 12:30:35 AM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Hard to watch something that is so obscenely non-canon, especially when you’ve been a fan over 30 years.

Agreed. I'm old enough to have been a fan of the original Wild, Wild West and I couldn't watch the Will Smith movie version, not in a million years. And I like Will Smith movies.

8 posted on 05/08/2009 12:38:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I wouldn;t say it was “really” bad, but Kenneth Branagh was excellent in it as the villain.


9 posted on 05/08/2009 12:42:56 AM PDT by max americana
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To: dr_lew

Saw the 7 pm IMAX showing...never seen an IMAX film so packed, ever. When we got there, the line was already forming for the 9:40 show, something I haven’t seen since Phantom Menace. Afterwards, 90% of the audience stayed in their seats for the entire credits, also something I’ve never seen.


10 posted on 05/08/2009 12:44:02 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: fieldmarshaldj

30 years only takes you back to 1979. I well recall watching most of the original episodes first run, lying on the living room floor with my parents sitting on the couch. It was heady stuff in those days.

This is why I say “loosen up”. ST has always been involved with the realities of its production, starting with its obscenely short run as a TV series. I can appreciate that the producers and director felt that they had to shake things up to generate interest, and they did take the trouble to introduce plot devices to excuse themselves. They also drew on the canon quite a bit, with Capt. Pike, and the famous incident of Kirk’s “cheat” on the simulation test. In the audience I was a part of, each introduction of a famous catch phrase drew applause. The canon is as much a matter of style and depiction as it is a matter of fictional background.

I will admit that they might have created a problem for future extensions with these alterations. But here again, as explicitly enunciated by “the old Spock” in the movie itself, they were very careful to put everything back together again, so that the state of things at the end of the movie was a solid foundation for the subsequent developments of the “canon”.


11 posted on 05/08/2009 12:48:06 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Film is completely canon. Unless we're meant to believe the original timeline and universe simply "disappeared" after Spock went thru the black hole. Yeah.

Seriously, the original timeline and stories are all still there, and as far as their concerned, Spock and Nero are dead and Romulus is toast. Stories can still be made for this era.

12 posted on 05/08/2009 12:53:12 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Was at a 7 PM IMAX show also. This was one of those ‘event’ movies, with the audience cheering throughout at all the right places. Big fun.

After, the line for the next showing was sheer mayhem - wrapped around the top floor and down 3 flights of stairs, many in costume, reporters, etc. (Lincoln Square, NYC). Ready to go see it again!


13 posted on 05/08/2009 12:57:15 AM PDT by warpsmith (Palin/Harmon 2012)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Good point.

But really, isn’t this whole canon business a creation of fandom in the first place? It’s hard to say that ST:TOS had any kind of real coherence, except for the presumed background of the crew, which was a constant, and a dead letter.

The stories were outlandish and unrelated to one another. This was the idea of the format, which was really a version of the Odyssey, with which one can draw many explicit parallels, including Kirk’s amorous proclivities, and the expendable “redshirts” ( Except that Odysseus actually lost his crew through attrition! )

I think Star Trek really is a “modern myth”, and it’s instructive to note how easily the ancients tolerated inconsistencies and the lack of a coherent time line in their mythos.


14 posted on 05/08/2009 1:06:35 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Too many lights on the bridge. /whine.


15 posted on 05/08/2009 1:21:54 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Dallas59
Too many lights on the bridge.

Homage to 2001 ? It had that same kind of look.

16 posted on 05/08/2009 1:26:02 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Thanks for the review; we’re going to see it next week.


17 posted on 05/08/2009 1:39:19 AM PDT by PERKY2004 (Proud Military Wife ... please pray for my deployed husband (deployment #6 to Iraq))
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To: dr_lew

How big was McCoy’s part?


18 posted on 05/08/2009 1:52:48 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: dr_lew

I wonder how many “Red Shirts” got killed?


19 posted on 05/08/2009 1:55:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: dfwgator

One. Wouldn’t be right without having that.


20 posted on 05/08/2009 1:58:55 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: dr_lew; Lucky9teen
Grrrrr.

Too much "Cloverfield." Not enough "Lost."

21 posted on 05/08/2009 2:14:20 AM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: marajade

It was sort of a background part. He performed a key plot action early on, and was onscreen a number of times, but definitely in the background.


22 posted on 05/08/2009 2:14:34 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Lancey Howard

The Wild Wild West was one of my favorite shows. I didn’t even think of seeing the re-make. I’md done w/the first season on DVD and will be getting season 2.


23 posted on 05/08/2009 3:51:36 AM PDT by LeavingNewYork
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To: dr_lew

We have tickets for tonight. We didn’t have a TV in the house when I was growing up. Caught the whole Star Trek thing in reruns and the movies. I don’t go overboard, but consider myself a fan - I’ve made Star Trek costumes for Halloween a couple of times in my life :-)

I’m looking forward to a watchable film. Like others I am tired of bad movies pushing liberal messages. I’m particularly happy about this film as Chris Pine is a cousin and I’m happy to see him get this role.


24 posted on 05/08/2009 4:14:08 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Hard to watch something that is so obscenely non-canon”

I agree even if there are good parts to the film. I’ve been reading reviews with sufficient *spoilers* and they say that they’ve trashed a few characters. Spock an emotional mess? McCoy has trouble telling the truth? Uhura sleeping her way to the bridge of a star ship with Spock? That doesn’t make any sense for a Vulcan story line. Since explosions are not particularly entertaining to me, I’ll wait for the DVD and rent it.


25 posted on 05/08/2009 4:43:34 AM PDT by Varda
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To: BigCinBigD

>> I will see what I call, Star Trek 90210 <<

A long, long time ago, I wrote a spoof of my fellow college classmates entitled, “Deep Space 90210.”


26 posted on 05/08/2009 6:53:19 AM PDT by dangus
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To: DoughtyOne
"I will say that I have a hard time watching just about any movie these days, as they all seem to be message over content.

Man is that true. Somehow, somewhere directors and producers forgot that movies are suppose to be entertaining - a 120 minute escape from you real troubles.

Now it seems, every movie made has to have some political thematic message that the director uses to beat his audiences practically senseless right from the time that the opening credits roll until the closing credits end.

No thanks. I just want to be entertained. If I wanted a sermon, I would have gone to church.

27 posted on 05/08/2009 8:46:46 AM PDT by Big_Monkey (Flubama - bringing disease everywhere he goes.)
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To: dr_lew

Looking forward to having my very dear friend and I go to see it in the next week or two. Seen the online previews.:)=^..^=

Biggirl


28 posted on 05/08/2009 11:49:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (Muffin, THANKS for 10 Years Of Friendship=^..^=)
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

Anything to wait for at the end of the credits?


29 posted on 05/08/2009 12:06:15 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

The lights come on and people exit the theater. ;p


30 posted on 05/08/2009 2:30:27 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Varda
I agree even if there are good parts to the film. I’ve been reading reviews with sufficient *spoilers* and they say that they’ve trashed a few characters. Spock an emotional mess? McCoy has trouble telling the truth? Uhura sleeping her way to the bridge of a star ship with Spock?

No, no and no. Who's telling you these things? They are full of it.

31 posted on 05/08/2009 2:33:12 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

All right, smart-aleck.

Some movies (i.e. Pirates of the Caribbean, Iron Man) have some little extra bit at the end.

Does Star Trek?


32 posted on 05/08/2009 2:37:10 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: fieldmarshaldj

People over worship canon. TOS didn’t even have canon, it was just there, then when things rebirthed they started retro-fitting canon all over the place. But every new series and most of the movies broke that “canon”, with the time to get from point A to point B at warp X changing constantly, the very definition of “warp X” changing, races disappearing, races changing their make-up, race appearing but in a way where they’ve always been there, the concept of “canon” in Trek is a complete joke. The really can’t “break” canon, canon never really existed in the first place.


33 posted on 05/08/2009 2:43:20 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: BibChr

Nope, and that’s what I think everyone was waiting for though heh.


34 posted on 05/08/2009 2:43:41 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: dr_lew

That’s too bad. I love Karl Urban. What about Eric Bana’s part? Pretty big as the villian?


35 posted on 05/08/2009 4:25:37 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: dr_lew

Well, a bit before 1979, but I was 5 and remembered all the marketing for when ST1 came out in the theaters (even got the toys and Happy Meal box at McDonalds). When TOS was run in heavy rotation, I became a hardcore fan, just about parsing every line (right down to references like “the little blonde lab technician” uttered in the 2nd pilot by Gary Mitchell (was he in this new film ?) to refer to Dr. Carol Marcus in ST2).

My problem is what I said before, from all the previews I’ve seen, there’s about a thousand examples of rewriting history in this new film. Whenever I hear “Reimagining”, I tend to cringe, that means a total whitewash. All the previews look like that execrable “Lost In Space” film of a decade ago, right down to the spinning ship movements and maddening action sequences. The more I see it, the more it really looks like a slap in the face to people that have been fans from the get-go.

You even pointed it out yourself if they attempt to do future films with the “alterations” since so much has been changed they’ve made it all meaningless. Roddenberry wouldn’t be happy with this.

I think there was a way to have done this film as-is and save face, and that was for it to have been a film-within-a-film. Have Nimoy pop up at the end (as Spock), along with Uhura, Sulu and Chekov, talking to an early 24th century film director who has just “screened” the above film (as a fictional and fanciful portrayal) for them, with them all chiming in saying, “That’s not quite how it happened !” That way nothing is altered whatsoever, it’s just a “story.”


36 posted on 05/08/2009 4:52:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Varda

I’ll wait for the DVD myself (if only because my hearing can’t tolerate the noise level in the theaters... I say the last Star Wars film in the theater and I had to cover my ears for the whole thing, ugh).

But anyway, as to the characters, yes, that certainly is trashing them. The problem with Spock’s “dealing with his emotions” was fairly well fleshed-out in the series (although some room to address why he was more open with his feelings in the pilot episode, smiling while looking at a plant on Talos IV, etc). McCoy as a liar ? That makes no sense at all. He was one of the singlemost blunt and honest characters, period. Uhura was certainly no slut, she was a highly professional and intelligent individual who earned her position (after all, if she was able to confound both Spock and Kirk in shorting out the communications system in one ep, she was certainly no dummy). They diminish her enormously by making her like that (and all I’ve seen from the commercials is NuUhura played by some skinny, nubile actress ripping her top off, and I’m sorry, but that’s not Uhura, period).

Like I said, the more I hear, the more I cringe.


37 posted on 05/08/2009 5:01:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: razorboy

There was canon, and it was pissed on by Rick Berman and Co. from practically the moment Roddenberry died. Frankly, that last series they did, Enterprise, was a total joke. I didn’t regard that as canon, either. Like I said, it’s a shame they choose to trash the franchise, but don’t expect all of us that have been fans for decades to swallow it with gleeful delight.


38 posted on 05/08/2009 5:05:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: dr_lew

Does anyone know if there will be any Star Trek movie threads today?


39 posted on 05/08/2009 5:07:21 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

One stupidity I’ve seen in the previews is the sword fight that Sulu has with a Romulan baddie. Hmmm, the fate of an entire planet is in the balance and this mook decides to take a SWORD with him to kill the bad guys, one of whom just happens to have his own sword? Yeah, right.


40 posted on 05/08/2009 5:24:32 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: LiveFree99
Why is there even a Romulan in this ? The fact that one is in there PRIOR to the pilot TOS episode (where they have a face-to-face) is a total rewrite of history. And to think how much I cringed at Enterprise.
41 posted on 05/08/2009 5:36:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Read what’s being posted. I already posted that was a bunch of nonsense.


42 posted on 05/08/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

I have, but when you wrote “film is completely canon”, you’ll forgive me if I say that’s patently ludicrous.

Since you claim to have seen it, was the Gary Mitchell character in it ?


43 posted on 05/08/2009 6:06:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No he wasn’t. However, since I have seen it, I will correct comments from folks who haven’t, when they’re incorrect.


44 posted on 05/08/2009 6:10:42 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The writers needed an antagonist and they probably said, “Romulan, Klingon, Romulan... yeah, let’s go with a Romulan bad guy.” Not very original, and they do violate canon big-time, apparently explaining it away as a perturbation of the time line.


45 posted on 05/08/2009 6:12:27 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

And there’s yet another problem. Mitchell was Kirk’s best friend all the way back to the Academy and they served together on prior assignments. If he’s not there, that’s yet another non-canonical revisionism. Did they have Kirk serving under Pike in the film ? That wold also be non-canon. How did they handle McCoy’s entry ? As I said, the revisionism I’ve seen so far has been epic. It reminds me of the Democrats trying to claim Lincoln was one of them and that they were the Civil Rights party all along.


46 posted on 05/08/2009 6:19:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: LiveFree99

Sounds even worse than the wreckage that was “Enterprise.” Y’know, it’s amazing for how many of us that are fans that we could come up with a coherent and exciting story line tying together the whole universe without f’ing up the canon, and yet they manage to hire the very people that just don’t give a damn. I’m surprised they didn’t make Uhura a short, balding, middle-aged Guatemalan man.


47 posted on 05/08/2009 6:23:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Gotta make Uhura an attractive young woman, so she can strip out of her uniform on-screen and be the eye candy for the young guys in the audience.


48 posted on 05/08/2009 6:28:58 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: LiveFree99

Well, I’m not a prude. There’s a way to handle it without it being out of character, y’know ?


49 posted on 05/08/2009 6:45:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: LiveFree99
I was going to see it this evening with some friends from work, but have apparently come down with some sort of bug (hopefully not Swine Flu, but I do have a 101.6 fever), so I had to cancel.

I hope to make it later on this week, possibly to a late showing on a weeknight so that the theater isn't as crowded.

50 posted on 05/08/2009 6:46:35 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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