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Dull Sun could spark off next “Little Ice Age” in future
Thandian News ^ | 5/5/2009 | Unk.

Posted on 05/10/2009 7:05:20 PM PDT by Signalman

Washington, May 5 (ANI): Some scientists say the prolonged lull in solar activity hints towards the next “Little Ice Age”, which could occur in the near future.

The sun is the least active it’s been in decades and the dimmest in a hundred years.

The lull is causing some scientists to recall the Little Ice Age, an unusual cold spell in Europe and North America, which lasted from about 1300 to 1850.

The coldest period of the Little Ice Age, between 1645 and 1715, has been linked to a deep dip in solar storms known as the Maunder Minimum.

During that time, access to Greenland was largely cut off by ice, and canals in Holland routinely froze solid.

Glaciers in the Alps engulfed whole villages, and sea ice increased so much that no open water flowed around Iceland in the year 1695.

For hundreds of years, scientists have used the number of observable sunspots to trace the sun’s roughly 11-year cycles of activity.

Sunspots, which can be visible without a telescope, are dark regions that indicate intense magnetic activity on the sun’s surface.

Such solar storms send bursts of charged particles hurtling toward Earth that can spark auroras, disrupt satellites, and even knock out electrical grids.

In the current cycle, 2008 was supposed to have been the low point, and this year the sunspot numbers should have begun to climb.

But of the first 90 days of 2009, 78 have been sunspot free. Researchers also say the sun is the dimmest it’s been in a hundred years.

The Maunder Minimum corresponded to a profound lull in sunspots. Astronomers at the time recorded just 50 in a 30-year period.

If the sun again sinks into a similar depression, at least one preliminary model has suggested that cool spots could crop up in regions of Europe, the United States, and Siberia.

According to Jeffrey Hall, an astronomer and associate director at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona, during the previous event, though, many parts of the world were not affected at all.

“Even a grand minimum like that was not having a global effect,” he said.

Scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2). (ANI)


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: globalcooling; globalwarming; iceage; littleiceage; sunspots

1 posted on 05/10/2009 7:05:20 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

2 posted on 05/10/2009 7:08:13 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Bobkk47

All part of a Bush/Rove/Cheney/Limbaugh plot to stave off global warming and make Algore look like an idiot...


3 posted on 05/10/2009 7:09:07 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Bobkk47

So, global warming would be a GOOD thing then?

God sure works in mysterious ways!

I’m going to get me a hummer and take off all the pollution control crap and drive it everywhere. I’m doing it for the planet, you know.


4 posted on 05/10/2009 7:10:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Bobkk47

that last sentence is a LOL


5 posted on 05/10/2009 7:10:31 PM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Bobkk47

Brilliant scientists, these Warmists. They can predict the ocean depth a century in the future due to warming, but can’t predict cooling, until a decade after it has started.


6 posted on 05/10/2009 7:11:49 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: Bobkk47

Great.
It’s not enough we gotta come up with cold fusion, jet packs, and robot mates.
Now we gotta start on artificial sun spots!
Can we come up with a tax for this?
Yes we can


7 posted on 05/10/2009 7:12:46 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Bobkk47
cool spots could crop up in regions of Europe, the United States, and Siberia.

But not Canada.

8 posted on 05/10/2009 7:13:29 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Bobkk47

http://www.astronomynotes.com/starsun/s2.htm

see that tiny blue dot in the center of the box?
cow farts and other carbon emissions make more difference in the climate than that...sun


9 posted on 05/10/2009 7:13:37 PM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Bobkk47

What happened to “Global Warming”?


10 posted on 05/10/2009 7:14:46 PM PDT by I Hate Obama (Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made- Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: silverleaf
that last sentence is a LOL

I wholeheartedly agree. That sentence says two things to me. The author of the article quickly realized that unless he put that sentence in, he would be out of a job for being "politically insensitive". Secondly, if there are scientists who really believe that man's activities can negate and override the Sun's, they are either lying or they are fools...or maybe both.
11 posted on 05/10/2009 7:15:23 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: randog

Canada?


12 posted on 05/10/2009 7:15:26 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: Nabber

Yeah—why would cool spots show up in the US and not Canada?


13 posted on 05/10/2009 7:17:11 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Bobkk47
Scientists Idiots say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2).
14 posted on 05/10/2009 7:18:21 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: silverleaf; Bobkk47

I fixed it in post 14....unbelievable.


15 posted on 05/10/2009 7:19:49 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Bobkk47

16 posted on 05/10/2009 7:20:37 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: silverleaf
That last sentence is the equivalent of Mrs Lincoln saying, "My outing at the theater may not have been perfect but overall I had a pleasant evening."

Who's buying that one?

17 posted on 05/10/2009 7:22:17 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: Bobkk47
>"Scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2)."

LOL...... Our little bacteria life spans and effects compared to that ancient giant fusion reactor. Riiiiiiight.....

18 posted on 05/10/2009 7:30:09 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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To: JoeProBono

Cool pic. I’m told by an old timer here in western N.C. that when he was a boy (in the 30’s) everybody he knew had a pair of ice skates. Could happen again.


19 posted on 05/10/2009 7:31:41 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: Bobkk47

I believe these scientists are a bit like Lying Louis the old time weather reporter who looked out the window before he gave his report.


20 posted on 05/10/2009 7:34:55 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: I Hate Obama
What happened to “Global Warming”?

It mutated into "Climate Change."

21 posted on 05/10/2009 7:35:08 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Get yr sunspots (or lack of them) here on a daily basis http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/


22 posted on 05/10/2009 7:36:29 PM PDT by spokeshave (USA #1; Pirates -3)
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To: Bobkk47

Good until the last sentence.....CO2 IS STRONGER THAN THE SUN...

get up at sunrise.....notice the Temperature....watch the Sun rise...wait 3 hrs ....notice the Temperature rise.
Repeat until you are smarter than a 5th grader.


23 posted on 05/10/2009 7:42:05 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: silverleaf

Noticed that. Check the source: “Scientists say”.


24 posted on 05/10/2009 7:43:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mojave
What happened to “Global Warming”? It mutated into "Climate Change."

I think the latest mutation is "Climate Crisis".

25 posted on 05/10/2009 7:44:44 PM PDT by Wissa (I despise the liberal media.)
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To: Bobkk47
Scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2).

Correction: Some scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of the tiny fraction of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2) that are produced by humans. When asked how less than 4% of an annual CO2 contribution to the atmospheric CO2 which is itself about 4 one-hundredths of one percent of the earth's atmosphere could have any effect, the "scientists" said, "Ask Algore. He made a movie about it."
27 posted on 05/10/2009 7:52:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Bobkk47
Scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2). (ANI)

TRANSLATION: Even though the Sun may be on the verge of causing a new Little Ice Age, that doesn't mean us evil humans aren't screwing up the environment.

They must have realized that the Sun was making the Goracle, and his delusional followers, look bad.

28 posted on 05/10/2009 7:52:27 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Bobkk47

Welcome to Minnesota!


29 posted on 05/10/2009 7:52:31 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Bobkk47
Al Gore Pictures, Images and Photos
30 posted on 05/10/2009 8:23:50 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: randog

and the White House won’t be cool until about another 4 yrs, when the election votes out the hot air.


31 posted on 05/10/2009 8:48:11 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: silverleaf
You're right. The last sentence overwhelmingly contradicts the gist of the entire article.

1. The solar flares diminished and caused a mini ice age (average drop of what, 3-8 degrees C? — see Little Ice Age Wikipedia).
2. The solar flares returned and warmed up the entire planet to our current condition (an average increase of what 3-8 degrees C?).
3. But it was man's activity in the last 100 years that really warmed up the planet (by .7 degrees C).
4. If the solar activity remains low (risking a drop of what 10 degrees?), the planet will still stay warm because of man's activity (a net decrease of possibly 8.3 degrees?)??

Absurd conclusion.

32 posted on 05/10/2009 8:54:28 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: Bobkk47

In the future he**! The little ice age happened in one summer, suddenly without warning. It is a matter of written record, of course records were not as good then I would not think but if they think it will take 100 years to reach a little ice age again they had better get ready, we are already headed that way from the looks of the weather we had this winter, and are still getting somewhat, in Northern CA.


33 posted on 05/10/2009 9:10:40 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Bobkk47
Scientists say that even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the star’s effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2). (ANI)

IOW, why let facts get in the way of agenda?

I remember in the mid 1980's when I was in high school all the enviromental fanatics had their bumper stickers warning of the coming ice age....

Then the past several years of the coming global warming...from the same useful idiots.

Again...proof...never let facts interfere with Agenda...

34 posted on 05/10/2009 9:37:47 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: steelyourfaith
Like, *PING*, dude.

Cheers!

35 posted on 05/10/2009 9:48:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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With the volcanic activity we've been building up to lately and low solar activity we cound be in for a Year Without a Summer.

"The Year Without a Summer (also known as the Poverty Year, Eighteen Hundred and Froze to Death, and the Year There Was No Summer) was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities destroyed crops in Northern Europe, the American Northeast and eastern Canada. Historian John D. Post has called this "the last great subsistence crisis in the Western world". It appears to have been caused by a volcanic winter."

36 posted on 05/10/2009 10:39:44 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: Wissa
I think the latest mutation is "Climate Crisis".

Good point. NewSpeak is constantly evolving.

37 posted on 05/11/2009 1:57:16 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: grey_whiskers; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

38 posted on 05/11/2009 3:15:27 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Lady Thatcher)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping


39 posted on 05/11/2009 3:23:26 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: I Hate Obama
According to Jeffrey Hall, an astronomer and associate director at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona, during the previous event, though, many parts of the world were not affected at all.

How does he know?

40 posted on 05/11/2009 3:27:11 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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Some scientists say the prolonged lull in solar activity hints towards the next “Little Ice Age”, which could occur in the near future.

Nobody seems to be talking about the possibility we're really approaching a "Big Ice Age."

For the last few million years the earth's climate has consisted of roughly 100k year long ice ages, interspersed with roughly 10,000 year long interglacial periods.

We're about 12,000 years into the present interglacial. Why couldn't the present cooling be the start of something really big?

What if man's present carbon contribution to the atmosphere is actually delaying the start of the next ice age?

41 posted on 05/11/2009 8:19:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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hmmm just normal cycles...like we were all taught in school...well except al gores school....


42 posted on 05/11/2009 9:33:03 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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43 posted on 05/11/2009 1:55:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thank God we’re creating a little warming now.


44 posted on 05/11/2009 2:10:03 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; silverleaf; randog; this_ol_patriot; x_plus_one; Sherman Logan

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The “Little Ice Age” WAS world wide, as nearly every study since 2000 has demonstrated. It appears to have been on the order of 2-3F cooler (an 8C drop would be major Ice Age territory.) Earlier data was somewhat questionable, but now that it we realize that Bristle-Cone pine studies are of no use to serve as temperature proxies, it is very clear that both the Medieval Warm Period, and the Little Ice Age were world wide events. See Junk Science, and Anthony Watts’ sites for the data. The “scientist” cited in this article has not kept up with the field. http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Little_ice_age includes references to some of the evidence for this, but is by no means definitive.

Quite a few scientists have stated things like “the next Ice Age could start any century now”. I agree with that. We are quite overdue, thank goodness, as can be seen from temperature graphs using ice core proxies. I suspect that being ‘overdue’ will simply mean that the fall in temperatures early will occur more rapidly. However, that is MERE opinion, and based on nothing I would call science, but simply history. The reason we may be “overdue” likely stems primarily from man’s changing the albedo of the planet a bit due to agriculture, and the Sun being quite warm, until the last decade. I hope it continues being warm.

As far as the Sun’s role: This article- http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html -shows that there is a correlation in Solar Cycle length with Earth temperature. It amounts to -0.1C every 4months the Solar Cycle is longer. During the years 1944-May’96 the cycle averaged 125months. If the current “Dec’08 Minimum” ends up being accurate, Solar Cycle 23 will have lasted 151months... This would imply a (151-125)/(4mo/0.1C) = 0.65C lower than the last half of the 20th Century SIMPLY DUE to the Sun’s activity.

If this comes to pass during this coming 5-10 years, the global temperatures will virtually be the same as they were in the early 1900s.

Time, and the data will tell the truth here. I see no reason to hype anything until we see what that truth is.


45 posted on 05/11/2009 6:30:01 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Bobkk47

Back when I was a youth the rising CO2 levels were thought to indicate a coming ice age.....................


46 posted on 05/11/2009 7:19:32 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: Bobkk47

Spotless years & Pacific Decadal Oscillation and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation
http://solarcycle24com.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=globalwarming&thread=319&page=1

the April number for AMO is not out yet, but AMO has dipped negitive January, Feb. and March


47 posted on 05/12/2009 6:49:55 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck)
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To: silverleaf

-yeah, if the sun went totally quiet, according to this, we would still have gorebull warming, all because of man-made CO2, which is less then 1% of a trace gas!


48 posted on 05/12/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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