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8 reasons why this is the dumbest generation
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Posted on 05/15/2009 7:20:03 AM PDT by BBell

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To: kaylar

Boy, do I ever know what you mean. I keep a dictionary handy (on the computer) because I am constantly second-guessing my own spelling along with that of others.


51 posted on 05/15/2009 8:21:00 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: humblegunner
and this is you


52 posted on 05/15/2009 8:21:17 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: r9etb
Statistics are one thing but demographics are quite another. Of course this is a different subject from the "8 reasons" all together.

What worries me is that a percentage of our smart and remarkable kids are being dumbed down.

53 posted on 05/15/2009 8:22:05 AM PDT by BBell
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To: humblegunner
hey, welcome BACK : )

those of us who eschew capitalization on FR, do so strictly as a way to give your life meaning. whatever would you have to post about, were everyone to post with proper grammar and punctuation? we are here for YOU, man : )

54 posted on 05/15/2009 8:22:15 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: In veno, veritas

I’ve always liked the British versions better.


55 posted on 05/15/2009 8:23:46 AM PDT by BBell
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To: xsmommy

And all this time I thought you were twelve. ;-)


56 posted on 05/15/2009 8:24:44 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: BBell
"My kids are 10 and 13 so I believe it won’t be long and I’ll have a crash course in current trends."

I suspect you will, up close and personal.

Best of luck.
May The Force be with you when the time comes. ;^)

57 posted on 05/15/2009 8:24:48 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: 12Gauge687

What I long for : A spell check that not only tells me I’ve misspelled a word, but then gives me the correct freakin’ spelling, instead of just a red squiggly line. I’ve sat here and typed in 3 different spellings, all ‘squiggled’, till I’ve given up and googled and got the correct spelling that way.


58 posted on 05/15/2009 8:25:38 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: SoothingDave

spoken like a true pedant :)


59 posted on 05/15/2009 8:26:22 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: BraveMan
Here it is without the pictures:

The Not So Greatest Generation

60 posted on 05/15/2009 8:26:34 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BraveMan
"At least the article had pictures; saved thousands of words from being read."

HA!!
True-true.

So glad you too have noticed, ummmm, the *trend*? ;^)

61 posted on 05/15/2009 8:26:53 AM PDT by Landru (Arghh, Liberals are trapped in my colon like spackle or paste.)
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To: SoothingDave

furthermore, i note there are no ukases with respect to grammar or punctuation on FR’s founder’s statement...


62 posted on 05/15/2009 8:29:50 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: BBell
What worries me is that a percentage of our smart and remarkable kids are being dumbed down.

That is very worrisome. Poor command of facts will cause no end of difficulties down the road.

But that's where attitude comes into play; kids know they're being bull-sh!tted in a way that I don't remember from when I was their age. And they're canny about it, too.

And another thing.... I think our friendly professor guy simply hasn't grasped the implications of cell phones, texting, and all of that instant communication that kids have at their disposal. (Nor have I, for that matter....) He bemoans spelling ... while ignoring the incredible web of communications in which it takes place.

That type of communication and connected-ness is a sea change in society; probably comparable to the impact of moveable type on the dissemination of knowledge back in Renaissance times.

Whether it's a good or bad thing remains to be seen; but I really think that we're headed for something completely different than what we grew up with.

63 posted on 05/15/2009 8:35:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: xsmommy
That's cause you're free to post like a pre-adolescent. :-)
64 posted on 05/15/2009 8:37:45 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: r9etb

I agree - my son has information from all over the world at his fingertips - even a fleeting thought can be researched in seconds on the internet. My son’s understanding of the economy and our government would put some college grads to shame.


65 posted on 05/15/2009 8:38:56 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He bows to the Saudi King - we don't have Camelot, we have Camel Lot)
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To: SoothingDave

and i will continue to do, with gusto, if just to give meaning to the lives of pedants everywhere. how sad that some are in such dire need of some vestige of self esteem that they seek to feel superior over something so petty. oh well, if i can help them in some way with my posts, i will do so.


66 posted on 05/15/2009 8:41:17 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Hell we had a freeper who couldn’t grasp the proper use of their, there, and they’re - it was a crapshoot as to which word she would use in any given sentence! She was close to age 50 so this isn’t a problem of this generation only. ;^)


67 posted on 05/15/2009 8:41:41 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He bows to the Saudi King - we don't have Camelot, we have Camel Lot)
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To: BBell

wow, this has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read?

so my generation is the dumbest because we have computers and play Grand Theft Auto IV?


68 posted on 05/15/2009 8:44:48 AM PDT by GreatDaggar
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Somewhat surprisingly for me (an engineer) ... what I've been impressed by is what some of these kids are doing in the arts.

For example, I recently heard some compositions by a local kid; really jaw-dropping stuff. Sophisticated orchestral music, too, not just your typical angst-fest. You'll probably hear about him within a few years....

I heard his music in the context of a show put on by my daughter's dance ensemble; a compilation of various performance arts pieces organized, written, composed, choreographed, or otherwise created; and performed by the kids themselves.

Having watched that show, I found myself rather more optimistic about the future than when I went in.

69 posted on 05/15/2009 8:48:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Yes, yes.... doom and gloom. We're all gonna die. Statistics are great for that. And I don't even deny that we're headed for some tough times.

How can you deny reality? Good public policy must be based on reliable data, not anecdoctal observations. It has nothing to do with gloom and doom, but rather, facts that we need to deal with if we are going to solve the problem of a society that can't produce the skilled and educated workers we need to be competitive globally.

Statistics don't address individuals, nor do they address the actions and motivations of individuals. Nor do they address how individuals respond to tough times. This professor yutz is engaged in the time-honored navel-gazing lament, "why, oh why, can't the kids of today be as brilliant and swell as I am?"

And your response is being a Pollyana? Everything is going to be alright? It is this same kind of attitude that has prevented this country from addressing the existential challenges that threaten its survival. The entitlement programs, energy independence, failed immigration policies, etc. must be discussed in order to formulate public policy. We have some very serious problems in education that will have a detrimental impact on this country's future. You miss the professor's point because you perceive it to be "gloom and doom." So is there a problem or not? Will almost 50% high school drop out rates in our 50 largest cities have any impact on this nation? You are the one living in a fantasy world, not the professor.

The thing is, I've encountered some truly remarkable teens who run counter to what the contents of this guy's navel is telling him. Not just talented, but there's also something about their attitude, which is far more important; if I had to describe it, I'd start by saying that they're cynical about the right stuff. Real change is driven by that sort of attitude.

Yeah, more hope and change from the young, the majority of whom embraced Obama and know little about their country's civic institutions and history. Diversity and multiculturalism have replaced critical thought. Our schools are failing us. When adults under 30 are essentially evenly divided: 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided, you know you have a problem.

Sure, you can moan about Hispanic immigrants (which of course you would....), but they're not the ones who would make a difference in any case.

By 2050 one in three in this country will be Hispanic unless you don't believe the Census Bureau. The fact that Hispanics have 50% out of wedlock birthrates and about the same for school drop out rates should be a cause of concern for everyone. It is our future.

70 posted on 05/15/2009 8:48:25 AM PDT by kabar
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To: BBell

Not even mentioned is that never in history has a generation had access to so much information to back up opinions or factual statements and do so little with it. I call this the age of unreason as there also has never been so much inaccurate information available as we see with the actions of today’s liberals. Their belief that terabytes of poorly sourced touchy feeley opinion pieces can equal one fact is also ruining our society.


71 posted on 05/15/2009 8:50:23 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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72 posted on 05/15/2009 8:50:37 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: kabar
Good public policy must be based on reliable data, not anecdoctal observations.

Your choice of data is highly selective, and more indicative of your personal interests than anything else.

And your response is being a Pollyana?

No. I am not at all pollyannish about the difficulties coming our way. But I am also not in thrall to selective statistics. I know that attitudes are more important than just about anything else, and what I have observed gives me hope.

73 posted on 05/15/2009 8:52:59 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: edzo4
obammer was elected because:

1. he lied about his place of birth

2. he solidly won the 18-29, 30-44 age group and more narrowly, the 45-64 age group.

3. he solidly won the hispanic and black vote.

4. he pulled a majority of votes in both the male and female catagory (more females than males).

5. he won the "all other" religion vote (surprise, surprise) but lost the christian vote.

6. and he solidly won the "new voter" catagory.

That's how we get obammer in the "white" house.

Question now is: how do right thinking Americans reverse all this? I mean, other than running another mcidiot as the prime candidate.

74 posted on 05/15/2009 8:53:25 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (GM = Gummint Motors.)
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To: BBell

“A recent poll taken of government officials revealed that 95% are liberal-politically, religiously, academically, and socially. That is to say that politically they prefer greater government and thus more human control. Religiously they prefer revisionist interpretations to the literal meaning of Scripture, and they are mostly agnostic and secular humanist. Academically they prefer relativism to reason or absolutes, opinions to evidence, outcome based evaluations and government control over curriculum. Socially they prefer multiculturalism and the absence of moral restraints. The same pollsters took the pulse of the media and discovered that 95% were both liberal and agnostic. Academia is equally skewed with 95% of university professors saying that they hold liberal views. Political correctness is the secular humanist’s version of morality.
This means one or all of the following three things must be true. Academia is manufacturing a comatose society of misfits without a moral compass who can no longer think. Only political, religious, social, and academic liberals are interested in working in society shaping and conditioning fields. Or, the administrators in government, university, and media centers are so biased they will only hire like-minded individuals.”- Craig Winn


75 posted on 05/15/2009 8:53:56 AM PDT by anglian
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Oh Lord! Don’t get me started on all of the grammatical and spelling errors that abound in our society...


76 posted on 05/15/2009 8:54:24 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
http://www.twainquotes.com/Spelling.html

SPELLING

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way
of spelling words.
We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes
alike.
Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing.
I have a correspondent whose letters are always a
refreshment to me, there is such a breezy unfettered
originality about his orthography.
He always spells Kow with a large K.
Now that is just as good as to spell it with a small one.
It is better.
It gives the imagination a broader field, a
wider scope.
It suggests to the mind a grand, vague, impressive new
kind of a cow.
- speech at a spelling match, Hartford, Connecticut,
May 12, 1875. Reported in the Hartford Courant,
May 13, 1875

Why, there isn't a man who doesn't have to throw out about
fifteen hundred words a day when he writes his letters
because he can't spell them!
It's like trying to do a St. Vitus dance with wooden legs.

- The Alphabet and Simplified Spelling speech, December 9, 1907

...simplified spelling is all right, but, like chastity,
you can carry it too far.

- The Alphabet and Simplified Spelling speech, December 9, 1907

I have had an aversion to good spelling for sixty years
and more, merely for the reason that when I was a boy
there was not a thing I could do creditably except spell
according to the book.
It was a poor and mean distinction and I early learned to
disenjoy it.
I suppose that this is because the ability to spell
correctly is a talent, not an acquirement.
There is some dignity about an acquirement, because it
is a product of your own labor.
It is wages earned, whereas to be able to do a thing
merely by the grace of God and not by your own effort
transfers the distinction to our heavenly home—
where possibly it is a matter of pride and satisfaction
but it leaves you naked and bankrupt.

- Mark Twain's Autobiography

I never had any large respect for good spelling.
That is my feeling yet.
Before the spelling-book came with its arbitrary forms,
men unconsciously revealed shades of their characters
and also added enlightening shades of expression to
what they wrote by their spelling, and so it is possible
that the spelling-book has been a doubtful benevolence
to us.

- Mark Twain's Autobiography

...ours is a mongrel language which started with a child's
vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two
hundred and twenty-five thousand;
the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched
from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling
of each individual word of the lot locating the source of
the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime.

- Mark Twain's Autobiography

77 posted on 05/15/2009 8:56:07 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: 12Gauge687
spelling, it’s not that great at FR either. There have been innumerable instances of “there” for “they’re” or “their” and “your” for you’re.”

Those don't bother me as much as when someone is obviously trying to spell something phonetically and even getting that wrong.

At least with there, they're, their your brain generally corrects automatically. If they completely butcher words because they really don't know how to spell them then it bothers me. Maybe you (generic plural) shouldn't use that word till you learn how to spell it and what it means.

78 posted on 05/15/2009 8:57:51 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: xsmommy
those of us who eschew capitalization on FR, do so strictly as a way to give your life meaning.

And for the provision of that meaning I thank you.

79 posted on 05/15/2009 8:58:20 AM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: dfwgator
Idiocracy is here.

Yep. And it didn't even take 500 years.

80 posted on 05/15/2009 8:59:23 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: 12Gauge687

81 posted on 05/15/2009 9:00:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: humblegunner

it is my mission to make sure you can feel superior to me in this small way, so long as possible. others are not so considerate of you, i realize, but being nasty to them only gets you suspended, so please, take care....


82 posted on 05/15/2009 9:00:45 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Not even mentioned is that never in history has a generation had access to so much information to back up opinions or factual statements and do so little with it.

Which generation are you talking about?

The information currently in existence has been created by folks like you and I, who grew up in the days where information came through three broadcast networks and the local paper.

For all of the data available, we still tend to approach the world from that perspective.

For the younger folks who are just now coming into their own -- 25 and under, say -- they're the ones who will have grown up in the context of all of that information. In terms of information, their worldview is entirely different from ours. The ways in which they access and process information will be far different from how we think about it.

All that to say: I think we're at one of those points where it's not possible to predict the shape of society in the next 10-20 years. The ground-rules have changed too much.

Whether it's for good or ill, I don't know. But I think it will be far different from anything we've seen up to now, and society will be dramatically altered by it.

83 posted on 05/15/2009 9:02:22 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Er.... created by folks like you and ME.
84 posted on 05/15/2009 9:05:02 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

That is wonderful - we know a local girl who has been studying astronomy for a few years and as a 17 year old, is helping a local college write up the curriculum for a class -


85 posted on 05/15/2009 9:14:15 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He bows to the Saudi King - we don't have Camelot, we have Camel Lot)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Yeah well he hid behind a fake name too.... ;^)


86 posted on 05/15/2009 9:15:54 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He bows to the Saudi King - we don't have Camelot, we have Camel Lot)
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To: Larry Lucido

Dunno. To me it seems that every few hundred years, some nation or culture fails to survive “the worst generation ever.”


87 posted on 05/15/2009 9:19:55 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: r9etb
Your choice of data is highly selective, and more indicative of your personal interests than anything else.

Can you refute it? Since when is the Census Bureau, the state of California, Rasmussen, and Colin Powell's organization being "highly selective?" It is certainly better and more reliable than your anecdotal information about kids in the neighborhood.

No. I am not at all pollyannish about the difficulties coming our way. But I am also not in thrall to selective statistics. I know that attitudes are more important than just about anything else, and what I have observed gives me hope.

Good luck. We have the "hope and change" President who is bankrupting this country for generations. Hope your way out of that.

88 posted on 05/15/2009 9:30:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Logic n' Reason

If McCain had won 60% of the white vote instead of 55%, he would be President today.


89 posted on 05/15/2009 9:31:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You’re determined to be a grumpy little fella....


90 posted on 05/15/2009 9:50:57 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: dfwgator

Excellent!!! I wish I had this cartoon when I was tutoring some students from China in an English as Second Language program.


91 posted on 05/15/2009 9:55:59 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Whut?


92 posted on 05/15/2009 9:58:31 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Larry Lucido
RE:All those copies of Harry Potter are apparently reading themselves.

I have a relative who is a school librarian in an urban school. Her library was gifted with a large number of hardback Harry Potter books. She noticed that the students (5th-6th graders) proudly carried the books around the campus like status symbols. But she wondered if the students were actually reading the books. So she placed coupons for a free ice cream cone from a fast food place down the block. At the end of the school year only two coupons had been taken.

93 posted on 05/15/2009 10:02:37 AM PDT by Irish Queen (4 square Irish)
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To: edzo4

Your mathematics need a little work. Do you median?


94 posted on 05/15/2009 10:09:47 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle

let’s pretend there was a class of ten students that took a quiz, they scored a 50, 60, 65, 70, 85, 95, 96, 40, 55 and a 20

what is the average test score?
what is the median test score?
what percent of students scored above average?
what percent of students scored below average?


95 posted on 05/15/2009 10:20:04 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: edzo4

Are you grading on a curve? :-)


96 posted on 05/15/2009 10:30:10 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: monocle

or how about this?

100 people have an IQ of 100
50 have an IQ of 90
50 have an IQ of 80
50 have an IQ of 70
50 have an IQ of 60

what is the average IQ of the group?

how many were above average?
how many are below average?


97 posted on 05/15/2009 10:33:57 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: BBell
Buncha punk kids who waste all their - sorry, "there" - valuable time posting crap to the Internet. Some of them spend all day on conservative political forums. Makes me wanna puke.

The only way to stop the decay is to reinstitute discipline in the classroom. I'm thinking spankings. I'll handle the sororities.

98 posted on 05/15/2009 10:38:53 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: r9etb
LOL. Denial just ain't a river in Egypt. Facts are stubborn things. Sorry they make you uncomfortable. Unfortunately, you are typical of too many in this country who try to ignore reality and hope that some deus ex machina is going to save the day. You are in for a rude awakening and it is starting now.
99 posted on 05/15/2009 10:38:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
If

Pretty big word, dontchathink?

100 posted on 05/15/2009 10:42:39 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (GM = Gummint Motors.)
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