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The Gay Elephant in the NRSC's Room (Charlie Crist)
RSMcCain ^ | May 25, 2009 | Robert McCain

Posted on 05/25/2009 3:26:26 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Over the past week, I have repeatedly heard from Republicans troubled by the rumors that Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, the National Republican Senatorial Committee's choice in the 2010 Senate primary, is gay.

At age 52, Crist had never wed until he married Florida businesswoman Christine Rome two weeks before Christmas last year. Those who profess concern about "civility" would say -- or at least, should say -- that the rumors are thereby disproven. But . . .

Let me share with you a message I received yesterday from someone I don't know, and who wishes to remain anonymous:

I have no interest in creating a fuss for you or us. Just asking some questions, if you know what I mean and I think you do. How are you/we/they going to handle the persistent rumors that Charlie Crist is gay? The first conservative blog to raise this issue is going to be slammed by the MSM, the Democrats and Crist’s Republican supporters for rumor mongering and the politics of personal destruction. But these rumors ain’t going away. LGBT groups have already raised the specter of hypocrisy about Crist being safely in the closet while denying gays access to marriage. If Crist is gay and had sex with a man, what are the odds we are going to hear about it? If so, I would wager that any revelations will come out after he has won the nomination. If Crist is gay but has been celibate his entire life, until, you know, he married a woman, what impact will the rumors have on conservative voters in Florida? If Crist is not gay but the rumors persist, again, impact on conservative voters? Mark Foley Redux? On the other hand, what negative impact will a public discussion of the topic by conservatives have on the Rubio campaign?

Well, there you go. If I am "going to be slammed by the MSM, the Democrats and Crist’s Republican supporters," let the slamming begin.

This message, as I said, came to me from someone I don't know, but people I do know have said much the same thing: No matter what the poll numbers show, no matter how much money Charlie Crist can raise, no matter what the probability that Crist could win the general election, these widespread rumors indicate potentially serious trouble.

And don't think that liberals haven't noticed. My tipster forwarded a link to this Huffington Post story:

Crist's increasing shift to the right on social policy may be canceled out by the documentary film, Outrage, which reports on persistent rumors that Crist is a closeted gay man -- even as he states positions against marriage rights for LGBT people and his support for Florida's ban on adoption by LGBT folks. (Florida's law is the only such adoption ban in the country; some 4,000 adoptable Florida children languish in foster care.) As shown in Outrage, which opened nationwide just days before Crist announced his Senate bid, the allegations of Crist's accusers are likely to rankle not only the right, but stand to alienate voters who may not care whether their governor is gay or straight, but who do care about his veracity and integrity -- or lack thereof.

The tipster also sent me this Miami Herald story:

Outrage dares to name names, alleging that politicians of various degrees of power -- including Idaho Sen. Larry E. Craig, California Rep. David Dreier and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist -- have supported bans on gay marriage, gay adoption and AIDS-support bills from the relatively safety of their closets.

OK, this is not a story that really interests me, either politically or personally. But as my tipster says, you can bet good money that it's a story the MSM are going to be very interested in -- if and when Crist gets the Republican nomination.

The Huffington Post story references the reporting of Broward-Palm Beach New Times columnist Bob Norman. (Who seems to be turning "Is Charlie Crist gay?" into a career.) Critics will say that Norman repeats second-hand gossip, but (a) the gossip is very specific, and (b) Norman at least had the decency to call Crist and give him the opportunity to deny the gossip.

Norman names two people, one a Republican staffer who reportedly claimed to have had sex with Crist, the other rumored to have been Crist's male partner. Norman then linked to a Miami Herald story reporting that the alleged partner was a convicted thief who had worked on Katherine Harris's 2006 Senate campaign.

All of which may mean absolutely nothing and is irrelevant to the more fundamental problem of the NRSC trying to pre-empt an open-seat GOP primary by crushing the hopes of the notoriously studly Marco Rubio. But . . .

Did NRSC chairman John Cornyn and Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer take any of this into consideration before endorsing Crist? Surely, Greer must have been aware that these rumors had been dogging Crist for years.

If these rumors had not already been publicly aired by the Huffington Post and Florida media, I would have disregarded the anonymous tip. But the story is out there, and to have ignored it under these circumstances would have been a disservice to Republican readers concerned about the Florida Senate race.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: charliecrist; crist; daviddreier; dreier; fl2010; gop; larrycraig; marcorubio; nrsc; outrage; rubio

1 posted on 05/25/2009 3:26:26 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide
Let me share with you a message I received yesterday from someone I don't know, and who wishes to remain anonymous

With that stopped reading.

2 posted on 05/25/2009 3:29:34 PM PDT by svcw (The prerequisite for receiving the grace of God ... is knowing you need it.)
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To: GOPGuide
How are you/we/they going to handle the persistent rumors that Charlie Crist is gay? The first conservative blog to raise this issue is going to be slammed by the MSM, the Democrats and Crist’s Republican supporters for rumor mongering and the politics of personal destruction.

Too late for that. FR brought up that "rumor" years ago.

3 posted on 05/25/2009 3:32:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GOPGuide

The “documentary” is far more insulting and disturbing than the possibility that Crist is a closet case.


4 posted on 05/25/2009 3:35:09 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Moonman62

Well, I’d be most disturbed if the rumor was that he was a RINO....


5 posted on 05/25/2009 3:35:21 PM PDT by elk ((A Member of the Silent 58)TM)
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To: elk

It’s not a rumor....he is a RINO......


6 posted on 05/25/2009 3:38:57 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore
It’s not a rumor....he is a RINO......

I would prefer he were a GINO myself .

7 posted on 05/25/2009 3:42:49 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: GOPGuide

Metrosexual = flaming closet queen?


8 posted on 05/25/2009 3:46:43 PM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
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To: All

How ‘bout the gay elephant - or donkey, rather, in the White House?


9 posted on 05/25/2009 3:48:55 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: GOPGuide
Ask him. People can sense when a politician is lying. (Most of them do, so one who is truthful will stand out in the crowd.)
10 posted on 05/25/2009 3:57:45 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: GOPGuide

These rumors are not going away.

I hope he and GOP realize that if there is any truth in this, it will be made public after he has secured the nomination (but too late to get new candidate).

Even if it is not true, it will be made public (possibly some fabricated evidence or some impossible-to-deny-but-innocent-photos ie he is just walking with other male..it can be used to “prove” that he has gay relationship).

Unfortunately, as John Edwards, Larry Craig and others have proved, politicians are dumb and continue their quest even with skeletons this big in the closet.

You can bet that >500 left-wing activists or MSM “reporters” have been investigating this issue for months, if not years. Bribes, extortion and other illegal activity has no doubt been used by the activists, in order to secure some attack material.


11 posted on 05/25/2009 4:01:56 PM PDT by heiss
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To: heiss

The moment he wins the GOP primary, the Dems are going to unleash this on him.


12 posted on 05/25/2009 4:04:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“The moment he wins the GOP primary, the Dems are going to unleash this on him.”

Actually no. If they have any semi-plausible material (true or fake) they will wait for some time so that it is too late to change the candidate. Then they will make well-coordinated attack just few weeks before the general election (or start of the absentee voting) in order to maximize the effect.


13 posted on 05/25/2009 4:08:49 PM PDT by heiss
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To: GOPGuide

It isn’t that he is gay, it’s that he is lying about it.

This is the exact reason that for nearly 50 years you could not work in the State Dept, CIA, FBI or the DOD if you were gay - because you would be blackmailable. And Crist is going to be blackmailed by people who are gayer than Perez Hilton.

And whose going to get #$*%(Q# in the @ss? The GOP and Americans who get represented by the US Senate (ie, The House of Lords).


14 posted on 05/25/2009 4:09:16 PM PDT by bpjam (Favorite Sign: "Why Do We Feel Like A Ship Off The Coast Of Somalia?")
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To: GOPGuide
No Christ fan...If you got something, post it...if not, then shut up...


15 posted on 05/25/2009 4:10:11 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: GOPGuide
How about revealing the sexual orientation of ALL member of Congress, lets see who screams loudest
16 posted on 05/25/2009 4:10:40 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: darkwing104
Doh!!!!Crist, Not Christ...


17 posted on 05/25/2009 4:11:50 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: bpjam
If you believe the universe is 12 billion years old or somewhat, that simply isnt enough time according to the darwinists to evolve the structure and complexity of life and cosmos we see today

How do you know he is gay?

18 posted on 05/25/2009 4:13:06 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GOPGuide

This is way McRino dropped him like a hot potato...he was vetted as a possible VP choice and......the rest is history.


19 posted on 05/25/2009 4:23:38 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: GOPGuide

Dunno about gay. I do know he’s awfully liberal.


20 posted on 05/25/2009 4:26:15 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: heiss

Exactamente.


21 posted on 05/25/2009 4:41:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GOPGuide

this is great - i’m dying here - can’t stop laughing


22 posted on 05/25/2009 5:00:38 PM PDT by Mad Apes (beautiful)
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To: GOPGuide
In my life of 52+ years so far, every time there has been a persistent rumor of someone's gay-ness (someone I know), it was ultimately been "proven" that the person was in fact gay.

I do not think rumors of a person's gay-ness persist these days without a factual basis of support.

23 posted on 05/25/2009 5:03:34 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

All this will prove is that even gays are divided on whether they should have the right to marry.


24 posted on 05/25/2009 5:15:10 PM PDT by willyd (My Driver's License is under Obama's Birth Certificate officer.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

How many people are just being accused as a “jamming” method?

How many dead people have been claimed by the homosexuals based on ignorance of the times place and words used at a a different era? (george washington, abraham lincoln etc?)

notice the homosexual lobby is not so quick to out Obama and his rumored homosexual affairs...


25 posted on 05/25/2009 5:18:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: patriot08
What?! He can't be gay, he has a wife and kids... and is the messiah... and the smartest President E-V-E-R. /sarc

It's not gay, he's 'on the down low'

26 posted on 05/25/2009 5:18:43 PM PDT by infidel29 (BARACkarl OBAmarx)
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To: GOPGuide
...hypocrisy about Crist being safely in the closet while denying gays access to marriage.

It's amazing how often you see these kinds of statements. If Crist is gay, he's showing other gays that you can be gay and get married. It might be a sham marriage, but sham marriages have occurred throughout history.

27 posted on 05/25/2009 5:21:36 PM PDT by 3niner (Hoover turned a recession into a depression, FDR turned it into The Great Depression)
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To: GOPGuide

The author’s last name is McCain. Any relation to John McCain?


28 posted on 05/25/2009 5:26:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 3niner

odd how he got married just after he was rejected as VP.


29 posted on 05/25/2009 5:36:24 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GOPGuide

Crist gives me the creeps and always has. He is a disaster as a candidate for or winner of national office. FL needs to find a new candidate ASAP.


30 posted on 05/25/2009 6:55:17 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Exactly.

You know, for all the charges that the right is homophobic, there is no group less likely than rank and file Republicans to figure out that someone actually is gay before the MSM announces it.


31 posted on 05/25/2009 6:57:45 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: PackerBoy

An important observation.


32 posted on 05/25/2009 7:00:10 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: nevergore
That's what I was afraid of...

They use a straw man (orientation rumors) to bolster some RINO (pick your straw man), accusing detractors of being bigoted or whatever, for not supporting him or her.

I am prejudiced against RINO's, personally.

33 posted on 05/26/2009 3:46:55 AM PDT by elk ((A Member of the Silent 58)TM)
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To: ColdWater

No personal contact, I promise you.

But if I were a better man, I’d put the odds at 3/1 FOR him being gay.

The guy simply dodged the question for an entire decade. He has never been seen with women and then suddenly he shows up engaged to a woman (who still wears less spray-tan and hair product that Charlie does). If this guy isn’t gay, he certainly has read books about closeted gay guys and he’s following the handbook down to the letter (except for the parts about doing random dudes in truckstops like Gov. McGreevey).

Not like I can much about his sexual life (it would be hard to care less) but its blackmail material and another way to get a GOP candidate on the ballot who is too compromised to possibly win (remember john Mccain?). Dems love it when we do this and unlike NJ we won’t get to simply replace him at the last minute with a candidate who is electable once Crist gets outed a month before the general election.


34 posted on 06/06/2009 7:20:33 AM PDT by bpjam (Favorite Sign: "Why Do We Feel Like A Ship Off The Coast Of Somalia?")
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