Posted on 06/03/2009 10:31:49 AM PDT by Sophia777
I spend a lot of time arguing about the fact Obama may be a Muslim,
I always get this response,
So what?
Whats a good come back?
What response was that?
Theology matters.
If he is, then he lied. You know why Nixon is reviled? Because he lied about Watergate.
If Obama couldn’t be honest with us about his religion, what else would he have no problem lying about?
There is no comeback. Leftists have the moral high ground. You’re just racist.
Why the deception?
Not to them.
The answer is that he wants to bankrupt us so Sha’ria Law will be easier to implement, as well as force us into a more suicidal immigration policy that brings in dependents, not assets.
He wants global Marxism.
If he was born Muslim (he was) and turned to another religion, it could cause problems.
http://www.al-islam.org/short/apostasy/5.htm
The punishment prescribed by the shari`ah for apostasy is death.
Even the terms used by the shari`ah for apostates give the idea of treason to this whole phenomenon. “Murtad” means apostate. Murtad can be of two types: fitri and milli.
(1) “Murtad Fitri” means a person who is born of a Muslim parent and then he rejects Islam. “Fitrah” means creation. The term “murtad fitri” implies that the person has apostated from the faith in which he was born.
(2) “Murtad Milli” means a person who converted to Islam and then later on he rejects Islam. Milli is from millat which means religion. The term “murtad milli” implies that the person has apostated from his religion and the Muslim community.
In the first case, the apostasy is like the treason against God; whereas in the second case, the apostasy is like the treason against the Muslim community. Probably, that is why the Sh`iah jurisprudence deals with these two kinds of murtads differently:
· A former kãfir who became a Muslim and then apostates (murtad milli), he is given a second chance: if he repents, then he is not to be killed; but if he does not repent, then he is to be killed.
· But one who is born as a Muslim and then apostates (murtad fitri), he is to be killed even if he repents. It is important to understand that in case a murtad fitri repents, Allãh may accept his repentance and he may be forgiven in the hereafter, but he still has to go through the punishment prescribed for his treason in this world.[7]
If a President can’t openly defend, or even claim his faith, then what assurances do we have he’d defend us?
Sew buttons! - Felix Unger
If the response is “so what”, direct them to his own campaign’s website “fight the smears” where they outright denied it and claimed this man born to an agnostic mother who twice married muslim men and was given a muslim was “always a Christian”.
Where/when was he baptised him? Who took him there? Certainly not his parents. His grandparents appear to have been non-observant (although his grandmother’s funeral was held at a Unitarian church).
I can accept that he is not a Christian, he has lied to the American public and repeatedly claimed that he is. I find this insulting as a Christian and him dishonest as a politician.
Go *&^% yourself...works for me every time...if I’m lucky, they never speak to me again...
To their peril.
The comeback, then he is a liar. His dad was a Muslim not agnostic, his grandmother is muslim not a christian as they told us. They are liars.
He wasn’t involved in the original break in.
And he was reviled before he was elected. The Left didn’t like his campaign against Communist Alger Hiss.
didn’t Nixon create the EPA and other big government programs? Didn’t Nixon try wage and price controls?
Ask them if they feel any different about living in an historically Muslim-run nation or living in a Christian one.
Because Islam isn’t a religion. It is a death-cult spawned by a pedophile rapist and murderer.
Of course, the entire Judeo-Christian heritage (of which Islam is a part) is based upon an “ethnic cleansing” of Judea by the Hebrews which included genocide, rape, kidnapping, infanticide and more.
/sigh
OK, how about this:
“Why is beer better than Barack Obama?”
“Because beer has a better head and won’t raise your taxes!”
The USA is a republic, that is, it has a form of government that is instituted by humans, for the good of humans, using human reason.
The USA is not a theocracy, that is, a form of goverment by people who have been chosen on the basis of their orthodoxy towards the reigning religion, for the purpose of advancing that religion, using interpretation of religious texts as the guide.
Any muslim naturally tends towards seeing government in the latter category, since in Islam there is not fundamental distinction between Religion and State. In Islam, there are no “secondary causes,” all is directly influenced by Allah, and that includes government.
So, to answer your question: a muslim president would be a danger to the republic.
It matters because it means he is a liar.
Because Islam has declared war on the U.S. We have an enemy as Commander In Chief.
But in the case of Islam, there is no compatibility with those principles and the expressed intent of the religion is to bring all people under the banner of the authoritarian governmental style of Islam. In that order there is no personal freedom, no diversity.
But in the case of Islam, there is no compatibility with those principles and the expressed intent of the religion is to bring all people under the banner of the authoritarian governmental style of Islam. In that order there is no personal freedom, no diversity.
I think you're the winner!
But you should add,
Sorry for the dupe. I really didn’t hit the post button twice.
We also weren’t at war with Catholic radicals who were kidnapping and killing in the name of the Vatican.
No terrorists seized the Vatican and coerced them to fund the expansion of violent Catholicism around the world.
The wahabbi muslims DID capture Mecca in the 1970s and the Saudis export wahabbism around the world funding the expansion of the Islamic empire in the West.
Would that the Jack Lemon - Felix Unger or the Tony Randall - Felix Unger?
1) Nixon, who claimed to be a Christian, lied. I'm a Republican, and I have to sadly acknowledge that he was a skilled liar. And the Democrats hate him even today.
2) Bill Clinton, who claimed to be a Christian, lied over and over. (And the Democrats still love him, even today, but that's a side issue.)
3) These men claimed to be faithful to a theological system that says it is wrong to lie, so we should be able to say that to be a lying President is possible, even when your own religious precepts are being violated.
4) So, it would be, to begin with, perfectly possible, that Barak Hussein Obama, claiming to be a Christian, could lie to America.
5) Let's go a step further...my Liberal Friends often go off against the fallen Televangelists we have seen in decades past, on how evil they must be to lie to those who follow them, and how wicked they must be to use other who believe in them to achieve their own goals. So, I can demonstrably prove that Liberals despise a leader who, in pursuing his religon, lies to those who follow him.
6) Now, accepting all this, change the equation: Islam holy Koran teaches that it is perfectly acceptable to lie to the Infidels, and "infidels" is defined as "anyone who isn't Muslim." If Barak Hussein Obama is a Muslim, then every word he has ever said, every promise he has ever made to the Left, every grand plan he has ever presented to the American people could be a lie...and he would be completely justified and honorable within his religion to do so.
7) So, if Barak Hussein Obama is a Muslim, and his religion teaches that it is moral to lie to you, and if everyone who isn't a Muslim (that's YOU) may be killed or enslaved in the name of Allah, and if women under Islam are no more than property...does it matter now if Barak is a Muslim?
“Go *&^% yourself...works for me every time...if I’m lucky, they never speak to me again...”
*****
LMAO!
Absolutely right.
Question:
Are Muslims permitted to lie?
Summary Answer:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should be truthful to each other.
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. One of those circumstances is to gain the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
Chicken Butt!
Name a Muslim Country that has or Tolerates Freedom of Religion ?
One possible comeback: Gee, maybe we should have elected a Nazi during WW 2.
Thank you everyone, I am still reading and laughing at some of the replies, some of them I have used, I will get back with you.
Of course he’s not a Muslim.
Have you sen how much he loves pork?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/04/02/obama_savors_some_very_special.html
Stop arguing with them about this.
Look, Obama is a SECULAR humanist. It doesn’t matter whether he was raised as a Muslim and attends Christian Church. He doesn’t believe in either religion.
Exactly. To Obama, there is no god aside from himself and the State.
Tony Randall
The more effeminate of the two. Good choice for the purpose.
A fact that may be true, is no fact at all.
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