Posted on 06/08/2009 6:06:17 PM PDT by Flavius
Researchers at an archeological site in northern Peru have made an unusually large discovery of nearly three dozen people sacrificed some 600 years ago by the Incan civilization.
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This was not already a given?
There must be a mistake. The indians were all sweetness and love before the evil Spanish arrived.
I saw “Dances With Wolves,” so I know.
boring & slow news day
The large piles of skull and bones were a giveaway.
Duh.
We have known this and this evil tribe for over 30 years.
why is this a big deal. The dems do this to unborn babies all the time.
And today we sacrifice the lives of millions of the unborn to the gods of the National Organization of Women, mainly themselves.
Apparently.
The practice of Capacocha had long been established in Incas anthropology, archaeology, political history, etc.
***There must be a mistake. The indians were all sweetness and love before the evil Spanish arrived.
I saw “Dances With Wolves,” so I know.***
Nope. Graham Greene, who played the lead Native Indian role in Dances with Wolves played on the Red Green Show as the master demolition expert. The natives in North America weren’t all sweetness and light. They just blew things up.
Obama’s fault
The Archaeologist was commenting that most (likely, the MSM) have to get over our “60’s based idealism of Mesoamerica”, and the common imagine of MesoAmericans as “mystical channelers and flower children in touch with their jungle world.”
They were power hungry city states, in constant warfare, and kept their populations, enemies and territories in line with bloody, religious terrorism on a monsterous scale. Ironically, Mel Gibson's movie seem to come closer to this more modern image of the reality. In the end, they collasped due to, of all things, climate change. Their leaders promised that they could control the weather (you know, like OURS) but after decades people figured out they were full of it, and the worker/peasants gradually left the cities (at least, that's what it looks like so far from all the studies).
An “unusually large discovery of nearly three dozen people sacrificed some 600 years ago” turns the phrase “Incan civilization” into an oxymoron.
The native civilizations in Central America and South America were exceedingly bloody. Human sacrifices, slavery, torture.
If not for Our Lady of Guadalupe, things would still be a lot worse down there than they are now. And there still seems to be be a strain of latent savagery from Mexico on south, much of it in modern times with a revolutionary or Communist tinge.
Like say Muslims today who live in the 7th Century and engage in beheadings of infidels?
Do you recall the name of that program? I'd like to keep an eye out for it, in case it's re-run. Thanks in advance
Moving into more modern times, I have always felt that witch and heretic burnings with their large audiences were human sacrifices. The same with the Christians thrown to the lions.
Today, I would clearly consider the beheading of such as Danny Pearl, accompanied with cries of "Allah Akbar", to be human sacrifices in almost a classical mode.
I am sure you can fill in the blanks as to other examples. The best we can say is that they are becoming fewer in number, at least temporarily.
I never thought I’d be putting in a good word for the Muslims, God help us. But I think I’d rather be a dhimmi under Islam than a slave under the Incas or the Aztecs.
Of course, by preference, I wouldn’t choose either.
I think it was multiculturalism that drove 60’s idealism to the silly side. At a time when ‘no culture is better than any other culture’ it was conceivable that many nations could say ‘but we weren’t sacrificing humans like the Incas’ so admitting the savagery was ‘out’ and claiming that such people were the forerunners of modern democracy etc. was ‘in’. At the highpoint, scientists could not get grant money to study forbidden subjects like human sacrifice - they had to study the forward looking inventive side of the same people - something, anything positive.
I think it was last year that a team of scientists printed the forbidden - some details about how captives were detained (cages etc.)before being sacrificed but these scientists put a positive spin on it (I forget specifics but I think it was about how the Incas didn’t lose their cultural and religious traditions to the white invaders ‘easily’ or overnight, but bravely persisted in time honored traditions for some time despite the attempts of the European invaders to stop them.)
Once the Inca civilization’s reputation withstood the acknowledgment of barbaric human sacrifice without losing their status as being morally ‘equal to all other nations, no better and no worse’ it seems the truth has come out of hiding.
A good read is The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico, Bernal Diaz, the Dominican who accompanied Cortez. Night after night the Aztecs would through the body parts and entrails of the previously captured into the Spanish camp. Explicit terrorism - which was practised tribally on each other no less than the invader. And the French "savageur" used in their exploration of the continent was not an idle comment. One of the more legitimate modern depictions is The Last of The Mohicans, Daniel Day-Lewis.
Like the Assyrians, the ancient Americans were among the most bicameral societies (top-down control though fear and extortion) in human history.
There is such a thing as civilization, but methinks The Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard, and Jay Rockefeller, have corrupted the definition - The Bicameral Wave.
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Ping of interest
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***It was the Americans fault ,have you not read Chavez’s book gift to Obama? ***
I try to stay away from books written in words of one syllable or less.
The longer I live (now 75)the more I understand, there is godly fear, and there is ungodly fear! May God give us the wisdom to know the difference!
I must claim the verse in Proverbs 16:6 as most important to all nations and to all peoples:
“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged; and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.”
You are quite correct about MesoAmerica, in particular the Mayas. The meme used to be they were peaceful nature-worshippers. Then some *sshole went and deciphered their writing and we found most of it was bragging about torture and human sacrifice. Torture was sort of the national sport, complete with special stadiums, etc.
FWIW, the Incas were not in MesoAmerica and apparently had very little contact with the civilizations to the north.
Also, we tend to think of all Andean civilizations as “Inca,” but in point of fact the Inca were quite recent arrivals on the scene, while Andean civilization is at least as old as China’s and arguably close to as old as Sumer or Egypt.
I was particularly struck by the ancient Chinese practice of having their kings keep immense cauldrons of water boiling in the throne room at all times.
Anybody who displeased the king got to go swimming. The resulting soup was often fed to the victim’s family.
I didn’t know that.
Thank much, I will look into it. The terms, time lines and names of the American Civilizations, have always been far to vague in my mind.
Ouch!! I hadn’t read that one but it sounds like something the Shang might do. For all the civilized refinements the Chinese achieved, they never adopted “rule of law” but rather went with Confucianism’s reliance on the goodness of man(the King or Emperor in particular). Along with their failure to follow up their amazing natural observation with some scientific method, this has always puzzled me.
True enough observations.
Private property was never secure under the Chinese system. It was always subject to random looting by the Emperor or his administrators whenever they felt a subject had become too rich or powerful. This meant the only way the wealthy could protect themselves was by paying off the officials. Which generally only worked for a while.
Welath in China, in and of itself, became almost clandestine. This was exacerbated by the lowly status of merchants and artisans in Confucian society. Such people didn’t deserve to have wealth, almost in the Jim Crow “keep em in their place” mode.
One not insignificant reason they never developed true science may have been the absense of a Creator God in their worldview. With no God who created unchanging natural laws, what is the point of trying to figure out what those laws are?
I recommend a book, 1491, written about the history of pre-Columbus America. Due to its subject matter, it’s relatively free from PCness. Don’t remember the author.
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