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The truth about Pit Bulls (yes, it is that time again!)
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Posted on 06/12/2009 3:30:19 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL

In a recent article about legislation against Pit Bulls, I ended with a comment on how fear and anger over isolated and heavily reported attacks was resulting in reprehensible actions being taken against Pit Bulls as a breed group, blaming the dog, and not irresponsible dog owners. A common refrain is "get rid of these dangerous dogs", even though breed specific legislation has not resulted in changes promised. Not anywhere.Petraits for Lake Shore Animal Shelter

After reading an article showcasing a Baltimore group which, like the HSUS's "End Dogfighting in Chicago" organization, is working to help Pit Bulls and the people who care for them, I was compelled to put together the following facts. I hope others will use this information to combat the fear that has perpetuated myths about this breed group. Some may even wish to forward it to local media, city councilmen, senators, and representatives as a fact sheet for their reference. It is sorely needed, providing the truth about the breed group, and another avenue for action.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: amstaff; chet99; doggieping; labradors; meth; methlabradors; methlabs; pitbull
buy an Am Staff puppy. Raise it with love and train it. Become an owner that can help save this breed from the ignorant masses who know nothing about dogs and the scumbags who buy this breed to instill aggression.
1 posted on 06/12/2009 3:30:19 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

and what happens if that puppy raised with love is responsible for biting the face off a child? What does that prove?


2 posted on 06/12/2009 3:34:44 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: porter_knorr

that there is something wrong with that dog, not the breed.


3 posted on 06/12/2009 3:35:15 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Agreed. I'd love to have one but we already have three large dogs. Still, who knows what the future will bring?

Thanks for being a voice of reason regarding this issue.

4 posted on 06/12/2009 3:38:58 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Everytime I watch ‘The Dog Whisperer’ and see Ceasar’s guy Daddy I want him! lol If we were to ever get another large breed, we might go that way...but for now, I just enjoy watching Daddy, Junior and the rest of the guys.


5 posted on 06/12/2009 3:46:43 PM PDT by sweet_diane (embracing Him.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

These people demonizing pit bulls have no life.


6 posted on 06/12/2009 3:47:37 PM PDT by exist
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To: exist

These people who breed dogs with large steel-trap jaws have no clue.


7 posted on 06/12/2009 3:51:18 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
...save this breed from the ignorant masses who know nothing about dogs...

Ya mean it isn't just Chet99?

8 posted on 06/12/2009 3:55:52 PM PDT by gundog
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To: porter_knorr

It proves that love is not enough. They need discipline too, more than most people are willing to provide.


9 posted on 06/12/2009 3:56:38 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

It is self evident that dog breeding has resulted in a vast number of breeds with greatly different traits. Traits that make them innately more prone to retrieve, herd, lock up on game, track, etc.

So I wonder why it is, in your opinion, that dog breeders who have spent the same amount of effort to create breeds to be innately aggressive killers have failed.

There are many aggressive breeds, but only a few that have also been bread with the strength to kill other large dogs and people with ease. Interestingly, none of these were intended by the breeders to be family pets.

Perhaps its not wise to expect retrievers to stop retrieving and herding dogs to stop herding. I believe the term is tempting nature.


10 posted on 06/12/2009 4:03:23 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Finally!!!! some information about Pit Bulls here on FR.
It’s about time we talk about this issue. /sc


11 posted on 06/12/2009 4:10:42 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SampleMan

Am Staff back long ago, prior to the 60/70’s were one of the most owned/popular family dog and there wasn’t an issue. What seems to have happened is that scumbags started to breed the dog for their fighting aggressive traits. The other problem is you are always going ot read about the problem dogs and not about the dogs that dont’ have problems. It’s just like gun crime. It’s always the negative stories about how a gun was used for crime you read about but not the ones where a gun was used to stop crime.


12 posted on 06/12/2009 4:12:41 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: tflabo

I am going to have a bake sale to “save the pits.” I am expecting you to be the first to buy something.


13 posted on 06/12/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Uhhh..no thanks. Pits not my dog of choice. Kinda ugly too but just my opinion!


14 posted on 06/12/2009 4:17:10 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: SampleMan
But you can channel a border collie's drive into flyball, or agility.
A lab can be subverted from retrieving to drug detection.
If you have the time and the will, you can use them for whatever purpose you want.

Pits are no different.

15 posted on 06/12/2009 4:18:09 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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To: tflabo

Most of the discussion of “Pit Bulls” is marked by appealing to the fears of people here in the most hysterical, embarrassing fashion. Calls for breed bans and nanny-state-knows-best restrictions, and the like. Stuff you expect to see on a “progressive” site, not here.

No one supports tragic dog attacks by any breed. A sober assessment reveals that the real problem lies in their humans and not the dogs themselves (in most cases.) Informed folks realize that responsible dog ownership and breeding is the key to dealing with any problems that may exist around this breed. It’s not the breed itself— it’s a host of other factors. Do PB haters really believe that dogfighting trash won’t transition to another unbanned breed if they have their way? Haha. Seriesly?

Best dog I ever had or ever will have was an American Staffordshire Terrier. Anyone who knew him would quickly agree.


16 posted on 06/12/2009 4:32:10 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

to save the breed, it needs to be eliminated from the general public, and become a licensed-for-pitbulls breeders-only dog for a few hundred years until the bad genes (and bad owners) can be bred out of them.

I’ve had a lifetime of experience with these dogs, not as an owner, but as an neighbor to renters who insist on having such dogs. For many renters, the pitbull is an extension of their penis more than any other dog. I’ve seen kids of renters walk their dogs up and down the street, trying to get neighbor dogs in ‘fence-fights’ (and then expect their dog to behave when placed in a backyard next to that same dog they tried to fence-fight in the front yard). I’ve heard teens bragging their dog is the toughest dog in town and if Joey thinks his dog is badder, then ‘bring it on’. I’ve seen adults letting their dogs fight without trying to separate them. Now you’re not going to get rid of these types of people, so the only solution is to limit their access to the pitbull by making ownership inaccessable.

As for the dogs themselves, I’ve seen more pitbulls running loose, with no tags or even collar, than all other breeds put together and feral pitpulls are particularly dangerous. No other animal is safe around them, even if that animal is in their own fenced yard. I’ve seen these dogs literally crash thru fences, run up the sides of 6ft redwood fences and flip over the top, and I’ve seen them climb trees to get over fences to attack another animal. Our local animal control officer said recently over 60% of their calls are for pitbulls and pitmixes running loose. Because of their agility, they are harder to capture than other dogs, and harder to house than other breeds. The solution, again, is to make ownership totally inaccessable to the general public. IMO JMO


17 posted on 06/12/2009 4:32:24 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

That isn’t a very convincing article. These two points for instance are a little soft or vague.

Fear:
Family pet pit bulls turn on their owners.
Fact:
No single neutered household pet pit bull has ever killed anyone.

Fear:
Pit Bulls are more dangerous than other dogs.
Fact:
“A dog is only as dangerous as its owner allows it to be.”


18 posted on 06/12/2009 4:45:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: blueplum
I, too, have called for special licensing for these dogs. It's a tricky business, doing that, but I firmly believe that these dogs aren't for everyone, just as Border Collies aren't for anyone in every situation. Ultimately, better breeding and responsible ownership is in the breed's best interest as well as society. But don't forget that another breed will be hijacked, I guarantee it. May be a Chow or Siberian Husky or a Mastiff or GSD or an Akita... what does that tell us about the nature of the problem?
19 posted on 06/12/2009 4:46:09 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: SampleMan
So I wonder why it is, in your opinion, that dog breeders who have spent the same amount of effort to create breeds to be innately aggressive killers have failed.

The failure is not in your logic but in your premise. A fighting dog that exhibits human aggression is useless and will be quickly destroyed. Fighting dogs have to be handled by strangers during fights and often have to be handled while seriously injured. Docility towards humans is a must and is just as important as fighting spirit towards other dogs.

20 posted on 06/12/2009 4:49:27 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Check out this story from our local news. The lady in the video being interviewed has a pitbull named Rogue who is being trained as a therapy dog. My dog Bailey is pictured next to the article — she’s the black and white mixed breed playing tug-of-war with a “dangerously aggressive” brown pit named Finley.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S967346.shtml


21 posted on 06/12/2009 4:55:09 PM PDT by LatinaGOP (But then again, I homeschool)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

First the minorities abused guns and now the “powers that be” want to take guns away. Then the minorities abused the poor pit bulls and now the powers want to take them away.


22 posted on 06/12/2009 4:55:51 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

23 posted on 06/12/2009 5:40:57 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: MAD-AS-HELL

Did you mean: Amstaff


24 posted on 06/12/2009 5:43:11 PM PDT by ColdWater
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“The Truth about pit bulls ...”

A study examining a two-year period by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that, “during 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF (dog bite related fatalities) during the past 20 years. Pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers” [the study places both breeds into one category] “...were involved in more than half of these deaths.” Additionally, the article concluded: “Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates.”


25 posted on 06/12/2009 5:48:58 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: LongElegantLegs

And most of the time, it is neighbors and children that pay the price.

I have neighbors that are gone 12 hours a day and their pit is crated.the whole day and taken on short walks. They never run that dog.

Why should my five year old be at risk because they are poor pittie parents?


26 posted on 06/12/2009 6:22:38 PM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: porter_knorr

You and yours should not be put at risk because of someone else’s irresponsibility. Unfortunately, we all are.
You just have to prevent what you can, and prepare for what you can’t.


27 posted on 06/12/2009 6:40:22 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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To: SeeSharp
The failure is not in your logic but in your premise. A fighting dog that exhibits human aggression is useless and will be quickly destroyed. Fighting dogs have to be handled by strangers during fights and often have to be handled while seriously injured. Docility towards humans is a must and is just as important as fighting spirit towards other dogs.

My premise isn't on trained utility but on natural traits. A retriever that won't wait is also worthless, however that doesn't mean that a good retriever doesn't have to restrain its urges.

28 posted on 06/13/2009 4:12:39 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
But you can channel a border collie's drive into flyball, or agility. A lab can be subverted from retrieving to drug detection. If you have the time and the will, you can use them for whatever purpose you want. Pits are no different.

Channeling as you put it still makes use of the animals natural tendencies. How exactly would you say that Pits are therefore channeled when kept as family dogs?

Bears can also be trained to be pets, however I don't think its wise. Pits on the other hand are not bears, but dogs. Dogs are pack animals and have a strong tendency to bond. Thus, most well kept Pits are also safe animals around their "pack". However, all dog breeds have a tendency to also be territorial in regard to those outside the pack. A dog with greater innate tendencies and capabilities to do great harm are a greater danger.

Pit Bulls are more dangerous than Labs all other things being equal. I don't think breed bans are in order, but neither do I think animal control should consider all dogs to be the same. A Yorki that runs the neighborhood is not the same danger as a Pit Bull that does. For the record, I had a fantastic rescue dog that was our family dog for 12 years that almost certainly had some Pit or Mastiff in him. He was sweet as could be around the house, but he was extremely aggressive toward strange men when I wasn't around (one of the reasons to have such a dog). That said, I was very careful to keep him on my property and not to put other people at risk. He never gave me any indication that he might harm a child, but I never felt it wise to leave him alone with small children.

29 posted on 06/13/2009 4:26:06 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Am Staff back long ago, prior to the 60/70’s were one of the most owned/popular family dog and there wasn’t an issue. What seems to have happened is that scumbags started to breed the dog for their fighting aggressive traits. The other problem is you are always going ot read about the problem dogs and not about the dogs that dont’ have problems. It’s just like gun crime. It’s always the negative stories about how a gun was used for crime you read about but not the ones where a gun was used to stop crime.

I don't favor breed bans, but I think there is a reality to face with certain dog breeds. Full size Poodles, Chows, German Sheps, Pits, etc. are a greater danger than Labs and Golden Retrievers. That doesn't make them bad, its just a fact. They are more aggressive and more capable of doing damage. To use your gun analogy, its far worse to get shot with a .357 than a BB gun. That doesn't make the .357 evil or mean I want to ban it. Its just a fact.

I understand the desire to counter the bad press, as you say, which is likely unfair and unrepresentative in many ways. However, I also disagree with the AKC argument that suggests there are no differences between dog breeds.

I used to be gone a lot when I was on active duty and when I got a dog I wanted one that would protect my family, be able to stand his ground and hold off a grown man, i.e. I wanted a large, aggressive dog capable of doing great bodily harm. With that choice came great responsibility. The first of which was to acknowledge that restraining my dog was far more important than my neighbor restraining their Yorki.

30 posted on 06/13/2009 4:39:37 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan

Mine runs with me every morning, and pulls a wagon two or three times a week.
I know many owners that use weight training, and some who compete. That’s really the best way to give the pit a ‘fight’ that he can win.

I would never say that pit bulls are no different from other dogs. Even when you raise & handle one correctly, you have to be more vigilant than with another breed.
Eliminating any concept of possesion, food aggression, and jumping as a greeting helps too, if you have the time.
The instinct to fight may still be there, but it’s buried under so many layers of conditioning and odebience training that it would take something drastic to bring it out.


31 posted on 06/13/2009 7:38:04 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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To: SampleMan
But you can channel a border collie's drive into flyball, or agility. A lab can be subverted from retrieving to drug detection. If you have the time and the will, you can use them for whatever purpose you want. Pits are no different.

Sorry, I guess I should've been more specific here. A pit can be trained to use their innate abilities to fulfill jobs totally different from what they were bred for, just like any other dog.

32 posted on 06/13/2009 7:45:05 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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