Skip to comments.Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil [ dredged up from the North Sea ]
Posted on 06/15/2009 8:19:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Scientists in Leiden, in the Netherlands, have unveiled the specimen -- a fragment from the front of a skull belonging to a young adult male. Analysis of chemical "isotopes" in the 30,000-60,000-year-old fossil suggest a carnivorous diet, matching results from other Neanderthal specimens... The Neanderthal frontal bone is the first known "archaic" human specimen to have been recovered from the sea bed anywhere in the world. It was found among animal remains and stone artefacts dredged up 15km off the coast of the Netherlands in 2001. The fragment was spotted by Luc Anthonis, a private fossil collector from Belgium, in the sieving debris of a shell-dredging operation... The North Sea fossil also bears a lesion caused by a benign tumour -- an epidermoid cyst -- of a type very rare in humans today... Dr Mike Richards, also from the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, analysed... isotopes, of the elements nitrogen and carbon in the fossilised bone... results show he was an extreme carnivore, surviving on a diet consisting largely of meat... other research suggests that in Gibraltar, on the southern coast of Iberia, some Neanderthals were exploiting marine resources, including dolphins, monk seals and mussels. Researchers decided against carbon dating the specimen; this requires the preservation of a protein called collagen. Professor Hublin explained that while there was some collagen left in the bone, scientists would have needed to destroy approximately half of the fossil in order to obtain enough for dating.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
I thought I was going offline for the day.To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.The Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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Let’s see how long it takes some moron to put “junkscience” in the keywords.
With heavy continental glaciation (ice age), the sea levels would have been lower by as much as 300 ft. There is likely a wealth of fossil and archaeological material offshore.
And here I never knew that Neanderthals were scuba divers...
Was it dredged up by a Chinese junk?
At least on these threads, i don’t see “science is stupid” and other interesting comments.
Would you please add me to the GGG ping list?
Yep. Bet there’s a lot of neat stuff under the waters of the Bearing strait.
No posting of an image of certain ancient ugly White House “correspondent”?
Fossils are devils tricks meant to fool men to the darkness.
I’d hate to tell you what that looks like to me.
Rhorschach would have fun with my brain!
Looks like an old piece of bakelite to me!
So...how do they find evidence of an epidermal cyst in a fossil bone?
Well, in their defense, it’s a new thread. ;’)
I noticed “junkscience” in the keywords of another thread this morning, and having run out of psych meds, I posted that comment up there. Ordinarily I try to ignore the foolishness.
For special occasions, I have some graphics I haven’t used in a while.
It has a fossilized epidermal cyst.
Most of the time (as the article sez) commonly given as the period of human origin, the continental shelves were exposed and the interior highlands covered in glaciers. So most evidence is probably down there, including (IMHO of course) submerged settlements, villages, towns, cities, etc.
Mammoth Herds ‘Roamed Fertile Bering Strait In Ice Age’
Ananova | 6-5-2003
Posted on 06/04/2003 3:39:25 PM PDT by blam
Check this out:
There are later settlements submerged on the bottom of the Aegean.
The idea that some early Americans came from europe is interesting. We really don’t have a clue when boats first arose and if they were much earlier than we think ther could easily be submerged along ancient shorelines.
The oversea distances needed to hop from europe to America would have been much less than they are today.
Thanks! There’s a recent related topic around here somewhere... let’s see...
Race to preserve the world’s oldest submerged town [ Pavlopetri in Greece ]
PhysOrg.com | May 11th, 2009 | University of Nottingham
Posted on 05/15/2009 6:00:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Wow, all that from one small chunk of bone. Amazing /sarc
You mean like the key words the evolutionists insert in threads they disapprove of?
The childishness of the participants in the cre/vo “debate” is exactly the same on both sides. Feel better now?
Clearly the skull of a Gao'uld symbiote.
Well I’m no physician but I would think an epidermal cyst would be located in/on/about the epidermis, and how did that get fossilized and survive all those thousands of years in the North Sea?
Entire civilizations have been concocted from from bones like this.
Even an eloaborate story about the tribal life, dining arrangements, and family living conditions have been described using pieces like this to ‘prove’ evolution.
So... where are the missing links? just one? You know, the species where an ‘evolving’ fish only had half a set of legs that drew larger and larger until they waked on land?
They didn’t ‘evolve’ complete legs or wings all at once, did they?
During the last Ice Age, there would have been a continuous walking path along the northern glacial ice. There probably would have been seals to hunt all along that path, too.
They, could tell from that, that this is part of a neanderthal young male?
Entire civilizations have been concocted from from bones like this.Name one.
Even an eloaborate story about the tribal life, dining arrangements, and family living conditions have been described using pieces like this to 'prove' evolution.Name one.
So... where are the missing links? just one? You know, the species where an 'evolving' fish only had half a set of legs that drew larger and larger until they waked on land? They didnât 'evolve' complete legs or wings all at once, did they?This news story is about Neandertal. Despite the fact that this fossilized fragment of a formerly living man was found on the sea bottom, Neandertal wasn't a fish.
I believe they said it was rare in modern populations. Reading this, I’m glad of that:
Epidermal cyst and osteolysis of the cranial vault [Article in French]
Guillaud V, Remond J, Balme B, Moulin G.
Service de Dermatologie, Hopital de l’Antiquaille, Lyon.
In a 40-year old man undergoing, under local anaesthesia, excision of an epidermal cyst located in the frontal region, at the border of the scalp, the operator had difficulties in removing the deep part of the cyst and perceived an underlying bone depression. The depression was caused by a 2 x 1.3 cm wide lacuna in the calvarium, which was subsequently treated by neurosurgeons. Histology showed only fragments of a simple epidermal cyst wall and no evidence of dermoid cyst. The causes of osteolysis associated with congenital or acquired skin lesions are reviewed. In this case, the old age and volume of the cyst may explain the osteolysis by mechanical compression. This case is exceptional since we were unable to find other examples in the literature, apart from dermoid and trichilemmal cysts.
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